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Just not THAT diverse, eh?
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I really like the description of the college as "...diverse backrounds..." and "...intelligence, compassion, courage..." It's like the very definition of irony. They aren't any of those things!
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As sad, disappointing, etc as this is, I'm not surprised. Kim in Portland is the exception, not the rule (unfortunately), and this story is just another example of mainstream Christianity's incompatibility with progress and change. And personally, I don't understand why anyone, much less any LGBTs, would want to teach/work in a school that promoted intolerance.
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one of my best friends went to belmont. a little stuffy at first glance, but they know how to par-tay. the cowboy guy from the first "real world" was on his floor. he swore all the time, drank, and got stoned, but when he got on tv he was a good christian boy.
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Ok people for the fifth time If you are being forced out of work, MAKE THEM FIRE YOU!!!!!
If you quit you do not get Unemployment. You forfit your right to sue for unlawful discharge or discrimination. You also give up a damn good reason for why you are looking for work. UNLESS they are offering a great big bale of money for "going quietly." Make them kick you out. And make a big stink about it.
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well
we have no idea what happened
but we're sure they're ASSHOLES...
crank up the CredulousHomoLiberalInternetHATEmachine!!!
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Hooray for being "Pro-Family"
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@5: Yeah, why the fuck do people quit when their employer wants to fire them? I've never understood the "I'll let you resign" thing, particularly when the reason is a really bad one, and possibly actionable.
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hey, PLEASE write to Belmont and spread the word about this. The university has been trying hard to enhance its reputation recently. They split from the National Baptist Convention, invested hugely in infrastructure, and are opening a law school next year. Public opinion and national reputation really matter to Belmont so please let's make them feel the outrage.
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@5 - It's not entirely true that you forfeit your rights to sue for discrimination, wrongful termination, etc. You can argue that you were constructively discharged - basically that the situation was so intolerable that you had no choice but to quit. However, as a practical matter, constructive discharge is a pretty tough sell.
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@ 8 - sometimes it makes sense for people to resign rather than be fired because being fired will screw their future job prospects, but they can spin being resigned so it doesn't look as bad.
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@3 Word.

@5 Double word. Also (I saw this happen to a sublet of mine) -- when you *are* out of a job, apply immediately for unemployment. Don't run out, get a temp job, lose that, then try for unemployment, only to find that the benefits at that point are based on your temp salary, not on your previous job you were fired from...

Putting letters together to send later on this morning...
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don't dally
we're about to cut your laxy asses off
the unemployment gravy train.....
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Ken @14, they wouldn't even tolerate me, much less a Bible-thumper.

And gee, a female jock is a dyke. That's breaking news. Stop the presses.
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I've written in and gotten all biblical on their asses. The bible doesn't say a single thing about lesbianism. And it says a WHOLE lot about love, humility, and letting God be the judge of people's actions.
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I know. But I used to be a fundamentalist Christian. Calling someone a Pharisee (which is essentially what I did), is the biggest insult there is. And realistically, that is what fanatical Christians are. A bunch of people so intent on their laws that they don't pay attention to the spirit of the law; the fact that hate is the last thing the bible promotes in the New Testament, and that's what they're showing, hate.
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Canuck @3,

I tend to think, even with full knowledge of the Bible in its present form, individuals who have deep emotional attachments associated with religion have trouble walking away. As long as the majority of the emotions and experiences are positive the the association, belonging, can exist. No-one follows what the Bible with 100% accuracy, there are two many contridictions within it, that "cherry picking"(selective attention or selective interpretation of scripture)or the long tradition of "apologetics" (believers will attempt to justify the ways of God to men" and "justifying the ways of God to the apologist himself") happens. I tend to think that it is when the tipping point of bad interactions, bad experiences, bad emotions, and bad memories out number the good that people can let go or sever the ties. Determine that the loss of social, psychological, emotional, meaning and purpose for life, a moral code that is above them and that they rely on, the rituals and memories that as a child they were socialized in, and for some an explanation of the mysteries of the universe and life here on earth is not worth their present feelings of rejection, hypocrisy or abuse.

Maybe, that is the case for this woman, or maybe she just needed the job? This is very disappointing to read about. I think tolerance and diversity hold different meanings for this institution, than they do for many of us here.
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You make some really good points as usual, Kim. And it's true, I think for some people (and I've certainly know quite a few) the church is their life, not just on Sundays, but encompasses everything ( friends, social life, reading, schooling) to the point that I think it would be very difficult to leave it all. But I can't begin to imagine the pain a gay person would feel living in that atmosphere. Certainly there are LGBT welcoming churches, where they choose to ignore the archaic parts of scripture, but that doesn't sound like an accurate description of this school. Ah well, sad all around.
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Belmont was the site for one of the Presidential Debates in 2008.
They also use Metro Nashville Public Parks as part of their athletic facilities
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Lesbians? Involved with college level athletics? The horror! Next you will tell me that nice boy who cuts my hair is gay.
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yeah 'progress'.
and 'change'....
cause, 30 years ago no one even heard of AIDS.
gotta keep up!
divorce? skyrocketing!
out-of-wedlock birthrate? the new norm!
marriage? out of fashion.....
it's a brave new world.
such a lovely place.
some folks don't get it.
they don't realize we're skipping to Gommorah.
old fashioned dolts.....
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@24:

AIDS? The story is about lesbians, you stupid fuck. Very low risk group for AIDs.

Out of wedlock births? Marriage out of fashion? Here's an idea: LET PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET MARRIED, GET MARRIED.

Moron.
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@24: Actually, the per capita divorce rate has been DECLINING since 1981. So has the marriage rate, and by about the same factor. So are fewer people getting divorced because fewer people are getting married? Or are fewer people getting second marriages because fewer people are getting divorced? (http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/03st…) And HIV infection rates peaked in the 1980s, and have fallen steadily ever since, due to better education. Also, you misspelled "Gomorrah" consistently throughout your presence here. You, mah boi, are full of shit.
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@ 24
"30 years ago no one had heard of AIDS"...and they had never heard of mobile phones, iPads, or Smartcars either, what's your point?
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People resign rather than be fired for a number of reasons, chief among them being when the employer gives them an ultimatum - sign this letter of resignation, and we won't fight unemployment. Make us terminate with cause, and you're in for a long battle that you'll probably lose. Also, resignation looks a hell of a lot better on a resume than involuntary termination.

You can collect unemployment when you're required to resign. You can also still litigate the involuntary resignation.
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Prospective students must sign a statement saying they are not homosexual and will not engage in homosexual behavior. In the State of Tennessee, employers can fire you for being gay. There are no protections there.

Please also note that homophobia runs rampant in Tennessee. Memphis couldn't even get the city or the county to pass a non-discrimination ordinance. I was told by several former friends to pray the gay away. I moved away and am much happier!
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currently 20% of homosexuals have AIDS.
what percentage of homosexuals had AIDS in 1990?
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actually the Memphis ordinance did pass 1st reading last month.

Nashville passed a Non Discrimination Ordinance for Metro Employees in 2009.

I have no plans to leave Tennessee
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She quit, she didn't get fired. You are condemming a group of people for something they didn't even do, way to be ignorant. This article could just as well have been titled "Soccer coach gets beat up for being lesbian" because that might have gotten the attention of the lemmings as well.
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Please note. the ordinance passed the first reading. It has not passed. And the mayor, although he campaigned with GLBT support, refuses to support it. And Shelby County - the county Memphis is in - voted down an ordinance about a year ago. The major churches fought it. I witnessed the hate from the churches at the Shelby County Commission meeting when this was voted down. The bigotry there is absolutely disgusting.

I was denied a promotion at a company in Memphis. I was told by company representatives that my manager's boss blocked the promotion because he is a Jehovah's Witness and his religion teaches him to shun gay people. Yes, you can be fired for being gay in TN.
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@30: Assuming that 5% of all men are gay, there are ~7,500,000 gay men in the USA. In 2008, there were an estimated 248,332 people living with AIDS, whose infection could be attributed to guy-on-guy action. This computes to 3.311 percent of all male homosexuals or bisexuals having AIDS; this is an unpleasantly high rate, but still much lower than you claim.

@32: You want a unique name? Murgatroyd. GO GO GO.
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The Belmont administration are a bunch of hypocrites. The school has well over a hundred of gay and lesbian students on campus but the administration won't let them form a LGBT student group. Now they fire the soccer coach because she is a lesbian.

Yet.....the administration doesn't have any problem admitting these students or cashing their tuition checks. The coach should have had a lawyer in the meeting. The school pressured her into signing an agreement that she was resigning. If she hadn't done that, the school would have had to find some kind of "for cause" reason for firing her. The tactics of the administration have effectively negated a federal discrimination lawsuit the coach could have had.

The music industry in Nashville has thousands of gay/lesbian members in the community. I'd say the best way to let Belmont "see the light" is through the pocketbook. Boycott Belmont. The Audio Engineering Society and many, many other groups that rent event/exhibition/meeting space at Belmont should cancel or refuse to rebook for the coming years until Belmont realizes their error.

Studios that get their free slave/interns from Belmont should immediately call the school and tell administrators that they will be getting their interns from MTSU and SAE in the future-until the policy at Belmont changes.

It works both ways-if Belmont administration refuses to recognize and accept the gay community, those who DO recognize these individuals can (and should) refuse to recognize and support Belmont.
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Dan - First, thank you for your good work, esp with It Gets Better but with the podcast, too. Second...Dan and readers, this situation just breaks my heart. It's killing a lot of us here. This is a terrible decision that is a modern Christmas Story, if you will...Lisa, her partner, and child being sent into the cold. Right now, this decision makes many of us sick. We are sleepless, angry, crying. But Belmont at its core *is* a good place. The work being done towards positive social change on behalf of the poor, the sick, children, etc. It's amazing. Most people here are kind, loving, non-judgmental. I swear, this decision about Lisa is not really who "we" are. But, it might be who leadership is. I didn't think so, but the past year or so we have been moving in a direction that has troubled many. I really don't know what's driving it since it seems such a poor economic and ethical decision. After the split from the TBC and with the growth of the Pharmacy and Law Schools...it seemed we were moving in a more progressive direction. But as of late there have been warning flags--beyond this one. We have been trying to create change from inside the institution for a while. Many Allies support those who are LGBT. MANY students and faculty have "I Am An Ally" stickers on doors, windows, backpacks, etc.. and they were there *before* this incident. MANY (most?) students and faculty are open and embracing. (And the LGBT students will confirm this.) Some of us might need jobs soon, too.

This is a turning point at Belmont. I don't believe this debate can be won on theological grounds. There are too many folks in the South who believe homosexuality is a sin. Let's not spend energy trying to convince them or calling them stupid. That's a time-waster. It also can't be won on legal grounds since Tn, like most states, is "right" to work and since there's no legal protections for GLBT people in Tn. (Although a push for that would be good.)

Instead, let's examine other options. What might work? Probably only financial and status losses. Letters to the President and Board are one route. Folks who might know ANYONE who was thinking about coming here...if they choose NOT to come here, they must tell them the Pres this decision is why they chose another university. Alumni can act. Folks can see the Belmont Bridge Builders Facebook Page and support them. And, of course, some kind of outreach to Lisa Howe and her partner. Dan/All - She is not the only gay person here nor the only gay person with a partner and child. We are WORRIED about what will happen to them. We are worried this will result in a formal anti-gay regulation of some kind. There is a TON of activity here. We need your efforts to be respectful, pro-active, not reactive, etc. We join you in your anger. It boils below the surface as we work away. Please *join* us. (BTW, our graduation is coming up soon...)


PS: Just to clarify, we do not ask faculty/staff/students to say if they are gay or not.

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Something about this being a university just made me write my first irate e-mail in behalf of someone else's cause.
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I think it is important to note here the history of Belmont University. "Belmont" was once the estate of Adelicia Acklen, one of the wealthiest and most liberal women in Tennessee. Ward-Belmont was a College for women that was housed in the former mansion, proper. That institution evolved into The Harpeth Hall School, an all-girls college prep with high national rankings & 100% matriculation rate. (Harpeth Hall's founding was the direct result of a break with the Tennessee Baptists in 1951).

Furthermore, during the Civil War, Adelicia Acklen was a Union supporter. In particular, at The Battle of Nashville- Belmont Mansion (Adelicia Acklen's home) was used as the Union Headquarters- not by force, but at Adelicia's urging. It is documented that in the years prior to the Civil War, Adelicia Acklen employed 'Free Men of Color', rather than slaves (tho her 1st husband was a slave-trader...he died...) Over 140 yrs ago, Adelicia Acklen became a leader in the progressive movement, especially for women in education & sports!

I have lived next door to Belmont for 20 years. They own vacant lots next to me and I have fought many battles of my own with them, just to get them to maintain the vacant lots! Mow the effing grass!

Belmont University is clearly part of the Traditionalist South. They cannot even honor their own Mission Statement. I would not allow either of my children to attend that institution, should they ever want to.

Belmont University has proven that it is, in fact, counter to "providing an academically challenging education that empowers men and women of diverse backgrounds to engage and transform the world with disciplined intelligence, compassion, courage and faith."

Belmont University must be held accountable for this action.
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junior, you reliably showcase the arrogant obnoxious cluelessness that often comes with youth but even for you this is annoying...

the 20% AIDS rate among homosexuals is from the CDC.
Dan posted it on Slog.
If you're going to post on Slog please at least read it and keep up.

the SPLC used the figure of 2% of the population being homosexual.
Dan posted that also.

as for AIDS declining @ 26
this is from the CDC's web site
"Gay Men: By risk group, gay men of all races remain the population most severely affected by HIV.
MSM account for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the U.S. each year, as well as nearly half (48%) of people living with HIV.
The rate of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the US is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women.
White MSM account for the largest number of annual new HIV infections of any group in the US, followed closely by black MSM.
MSM is the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections have been increasing since the early 1990s."
....THE ONLY RISK GROUP IN THE U.S. IN WHICH NEW HIV INFECTIONS HAVE BEEN INCREASING SINCE THE EARLY 1990s.......
perhaps you are thinking of everyone else, yeah, for them (drug addicts, street whores, EVERYONE else...) AIDS is declining.
homosexuals are special.
(ps- when you add the homosexuals who are also drug users the 53% becomes 57%...)

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@5/Sue B: A few here have mentioned reasons for resigning rather than firing. A more possibilities:

1) In several states, an ex-employer is allowed to disclose whether the employee quit voluntarily or involuntarily, and whether that employee is eligible for re-hire there. I don't know if Tennessee is one of those states, but obviously an ex-employee would prefer that future employers be told that she quit "voluntarily".

2) Learning that you're losing your job is an emotionally draining, humiliating and frightening experience. Your temptation is to hold onto any little shred of dignity you can get, and "resigning" is often a knee-jerk attempt to fool yourself into believing you had some control of the situation.
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I am SHOCKED that a woman who teaches college sports could be a lesbian!
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Title IX; aka the Lesbian Employment Act
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I graduated from Belmont eight years ago. It was a wonderful community, and I had always been proud to say I went there.

Until this happened. Now I am ashamed and humiliated. This is not a school I would want anyone knowing I went to.

I've emailed the president of the university with my concerns. I thank you for making this a national issue, as it deserves to be.
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Please get you facts straight. It is not the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, it is Belmont University located in Nashsville. Two totally diffrent education systems in the state.

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