Carville is a typical Louisiana good ol' boy. Cozy up to whomever is in power, and hope some of it trickles down. State government here is lousy with them.
I'm sure Obama would be very polite to Carville in public.
But yeah, this 40 more years shit is really jinxing it. That really depends on the Republicans' not getting their shit together, particularly dumping the culture wars.
Carville and his ilke are the reason the Green Party gets votes. People marvel that he married a Republican, but it's analagous to being shocked that two actors that played enemies on TV could be friends in real life.
thanks, pretty apt summary. For those who want more detail, read on.
1. Richardson was a Judas and worse, he fucked up and isn't in the cabinet. Remember?
2. Clinton is, aptly supporting President Obama.
Good. She had a nice hit on Cheney today.
3. Carville did a good job getting Clinton elected.
4. Yes, Hillary could spare one cojon for Obama, pendejo.
Maybe then he'd actually be for single payer health care.
Or maybe then he'd be for prosecuting torturers without the grass roots having to push him to do it.
Or, maybe then he would keep his promise to create change by mobilizing that 11 million strong grass roots network he built, but is now letting lie fallow.
6. Clintons great? Well, yeah, if you accept the basic theory that everyone has flaws and limitations.....somehow my originally saying that and generally applying it across the board, seems to set off certain cult members in a manic frenzy...
Bill Clinton was the first dem. to win reelection since oh....FDR? that's pretty good.
And as I always said Obama's a great man and a great leader, too.
He's doing great, but not as great as we need him to do right now.
7. Is Carville shamelessly hyping hmself?
Yes. You need to point it out? Very banal.
Typical Seattleite reaction, btw, very uptight.
And what you don't catch is he's poking fun at himself with his obviously fake fotoshop cover.
Y'all just don't go no sense of humor up heyah.
Carville's been writing these get-up-and-fight books for years, and in fact, Democrats really need to learn how to get up and fight.
Why right here on Slog just the other day, or was it today, it was posted that HEY MAYBE THE DEMS SHOULD PASS HEALTH CARE WITHOUT ASKING PERMISSION FROM THE GOP. Wow what a concept. OR how about this -- let's build a 40 year majority,you know, and actually pass all this shit?
Methinks those are great ideas.
To implement them, you do need unity dumbass.
But really who was it who said he would be all post-partisan and transcendent and work with GOP thus failing to teach America we need single payer we need class warfare we really need change?
That would be Obama, the conciliator.
And don't pick on Loozeanna, okay? Unlike most states, they didn't ask to be part of all y'all in the first place, tu comprends?
The cable news today is all about the torture issue and sadly OBama is not out front on this. Fortunately he's sort of waffled and now is opening the door to prosecutions. In response to grass roots pressure and despite some, like Slog, pretty much ignoring this whole issue. Of everything he's done since getting elected, this is his biggest failure, to me.
No, I do not know if Hillbabe would have been any different.
And it's a big failure of Slog to be going off on minor fish like a Carville cover instead of discussing what we are learning about torture hour by hour right now.
What's emerging is they did the torture to get the link to Iraq. In other words, they wanted to create that ticking time bomb, when it did not exist. This level of corruption goes far beyond what we had imagined.
Oh, don't worry about that, go back to the fact that there was a tough political fight and Hillbabe partisans had the temerity to you know, not fall down all over Obama from day one. Keep up the cultism. That's what's important today.
Forty more years may be a stretch, however the GOP could have and perhaps would have won the 2008 presidential election if they had earlier finalized the Bush/Rove comprehensive immigration policy. It was shot down by short-sighted, conservative Repub's who failed to recognize the importance of the Latino community in conservative politics. Forty years is hightly unlikely, however several generations is not.
If I was a Repub, I'd be sure to excommunicate those in the party that failed to support Bush and Rove on this policy position. They ham-handed the election to the Democrats.
re the hand on the shoulder: it's the "don't fuck with me or I'll slide my hand over and throttle you even though we're friends now" threatening placement loved by two-faced assholes everywhere. Very appropriate for Carville, if you ask me.
@14: "Or maybe then he'd be for prosecuting torturers without the grass roots having to push him to do it."
Obama's one step ahead of you, bro. If Obama spearheads the investigation, it's a partison witch hunt. On the other hand, if he just releases all the documents to the public and get's out of the way, it's citizen's demanding accountability from their leaders.
@20: I love The War Room! What a great documentary, and Carville was awesome. I even linked to his climactic speech the day before this last election.
But! The motherfucker was right once and now we owe him a living? What's he done for us lately? Besides marry a Republican, fight tirelessly for the losing side in the Democratic primary and write a bunch of irrelevant books, I mean?
Spouting off without knowing what I'm talking about: but wouldn't it make sense if James Carville was a masochist? That might explain Matlin. It's rude of me to say it out loud, it's just that I can really picture it.
@14: thanks for that. but the last paragraph would have been sufficient. For those of you who didn't click more:
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Oh, don't worry about that, go back to the fact that there was a tough political fight and Hillbabe partisans had the temerity to you know, not fall down all over Obama from day one. Keep up the cultism. That's what's important today.
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This is the same fucking dick of a Clinton hack who shat all over Obama on CNN until he got bounced for his unethical slime jobs. The same smarmy douchebag who called Obama a "hit dog" and called Bill Richardson a "Judas" when he supported Obama. This is the same idiotic country-fried fucker who announced that "If [Hillary] gave [Obama] one of her cojones, they'd both have two."
Thanks for calling bullshit on this, Paul. And yeah, I'm not an advocate for book-burning, but every once in a while, something like this comes out and I'm suddenly thinking...well, let's make an exception.
@ 14 & 30 - Really? Are you just never going to get over the fact that Hillary lost? And not because she was "robbed" or the media was "in the tank" for Obama, but becuase she ran a god-awful campaign that, like her husband, jettisoned the liberal base of the party? I'm really concerned about you people. This endless PUMA bullshit is really disgraceful. Enough already.
@14: it's hilarious how you defend hillary and attack obama for having no balls on single payer, prosecuting torturers, etc. when hillary didn't support any of those things either
Thanks - now I don't feel bad at all for not attending his lecture at the UW Tacoma campus this past Monday (which was completely sold out, by the way - he apparently still has his supporters out there)
You just redeemed some 40 of your previous Slog posts.
Thanks.
But yeah, this 40 more years shit is really jinxing it. That really depends on the Republicans' not getting their shit together, particularly dumping the culture wars.
Thank you for that. It made my day.
What I think I love most about Obama is that he calls bullshit when he sees it.
thanks, pretty apt summary. For those who want more detail, read on.
1. Richardson was a Judas and worse, he fucked up and isn't in the cabinet. Remember?
2. Clinton is, aptly supporting President Obama.
Good. She had a nice hit on Cheney today.
3. Carville did a good job getting Clinton elected.
4. Yes, Hillary could spare one cojon for Obama, pendejo.
Maybe then he'd actually be for single payer health care.
Or maybe then he'd be for prosecuting torturers without the grass roots having to push him to do it.
Or, maybe then he would keep his promise to create change by mobilizing that 11 million strong grass roots network he built, but is now letting lie fallow.
6. Clintons great? Well, yeah, if you accept the basic theory that everyone has flaws and limitations.....somehow my originally saying that and generally applying it across the board, seems to set off certain cult members in a manic frenzy...
Bill Clinton was the first dem. to win reelection since oh....FDR? that's pretty good.
And as I always said Obama's a great man and a great leader, too.
He's doing great, but not as great as we need him to do right now.
7. Is Carville shamelessly hyping hmself?
Yes. You need to point it out? Very banal.
Typical Seattleite reaction, btw, very uptight.
And what you don't catch is he's poking fun at himself with his obviously fake fotoshop cover.
Y'all just don't go no sense of humor up heyah.
Carville's been writing these get-up-and-fight books for years, and in fact, Democrats really need to learn how to get up and fight.
Why right here on Slog just the other day, or was it today, it was posted that HEY MAYBE THE DEMS SHOULD PASS HEALTH CARE WITHOUT ASKING PERMISSION FROM THE GOP. Wow what a concept. OR how about this -- let's build a 40 year majority,you know, and actually pass all this shit?
Methinks those are great ideas.
To implement them, you do need unity dumbass.
But really who was it who said he would be all post-partisan and transcendent and work with GOP thus failing to teach America we need single payer we need class warfare we really need change?
That would be Obama, the conciliator.
And don't pick on Loozeanna, okay? Unlike most states, they didn't ask to be part of all y'all in the first place, tu comprends?
The cable news today is all about the torture issue and sadly OBama is not out front on this. Fortunately he's sort of waffled and now is opening the door to prosecutions. In response to grass roots pressure and despite some, like Slog, pretty much ignoring this whole issue. Of everything he's done since getting elected, this is his biggest failure, to me.
No, I do not know if Hillbabe would have been any different.
And it's a big failure of Slog to be going off on minor fish like a Carville cover instead of discussing what we are learning about torture hour by hour right now.
What's emerging is they did the torture to get the link to Iraq. In other words, they wanted to create that ticking time bomb, when it did not exist. This level of corruption goes far beyond what we had imagined.
Oh, don't worry about that, go back to the fact that there was a tough political fight and Hillbabe partisans had the temerity to you know, not fall down all over Obama from day one. Keep up the cultism. That's what's important today.
Ciao--
If I was a Repub, I'd be sure to excommunicate those in the party that failed to support Bush and Rove on this policy position. They ham-handed the election to the Democrats.
Still, you should watch The War Room sometime. Carville is not all bad, and neither are Begala and Stephanopoulos.
Obama's one step ahead of you, bro. If Obama spearheads the investigation, it's a partison witch hunt. On the other hand, if he just releases all the documents to the public and get's out of the way, it's citizen's demanding accountability from their leaders.
Which, do you suppose, is more effective?
But! The motherfucker was right once and now we owe him a living? What's he done for us lately? Besides marry a Republican, fight tirelessly for the losing side in the Democratic primary and write a bunch of irrelevant books, I mean?
I'm not the only one who thinks he looks like a lizard, right? He's preternaturally shiny and his eyes are always beady and half-closed.
Are there masochists in Louisiana?
I bought Carville's book "We're right and they are wrong".
I'd so much like that $15 back. Nothing but drivel about him and his (bride of Satan) wife.
The unforgivable part is that he attempted to Pimp the memory of Huey Long in a less than worthwhile revivile of "All th King's Men."
James. you got lucky with Bill once. Now shut up.
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Oh, don't worry about that, go back to the fact that there was a tough political fight and Hillbabe partisans had the temerity to you know, not fall down all over Obama from day one. Keep up the cultism. That's what's important today.
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Well I kind of agree with that last one.
and, BTW, Obama has also jettisoned the liberal base of the party - he just waited until after the election to do it.