Mormons are pretty black/white about their theology. The church will tell you every time that if you don't believe homosexuality is a sin, you don't believe scripture and therefore are -=NOT=- a Mormon. PERIOD.

"If you're not with us, you're against us."

Lame.

Be there, Sat. Good signs are important. Dress warm, suit and tie not required. Nice to see 5,000/10,000 people.

I think info sites will soon be updated. Permits are processing from the city, will be approved on Wed.

Eric

Fortunately, this is not the case. Even church leaders have officially stated that they have no opposition for domestic partnerships which will afford gays the rights they deserve.

I respect the right of gay marriage supporters to peacefully protest, but they should do so with an accurate understanding of the LDS church's position on gay rights.

Does anyone find that phrasing a bit odd in context? Whenever I hear someone talk about something they're "born with", it's always something bad, like a heart defect or partial deafness.

No?

All the outrage seems to be focused on the Mormons, who're relative lightweights compared to Anglicans and Catholics, "main stream" Christo-fascists.

I hear the 10:30 thing because of time zones but why is marching exactly at the same time so important? Why do East Coast queers get to sleep in and do brunch then march at 1:30 and not us?

I don't think many would dispute this. Something can have multiple causes. I'm not forgiving Catholic organizations like Knights of Columbus, or bigoted whites, blacks, hispanics, or anyone else who supported Prop. 8. We simply need to pick our battles, and focus on who did the most harm. We can address the various bigots, but I want to start first by addressing the biggest bigots. That's you, Mormons.

When Olson says LDS doesn't condone bigotry, he's equivocating on "bigotry" to mean something other than discrimination for sexual-orientation. No get out of jail card on that one, bigot.

"It gets back to God's intent for his children." Stop hiding behind your religion. We see what you did there.

I have to confess, protesting next to someone who shares the "Mormon Church’s stance on abstinence, dating, and the clothes you wear" doesn't sit well with me. However again--biggest targets. Powell is talking about doing exactly what I require from Mormons to redeem themselves--divorcing themselves from the bigoted Church. No more funding, no more supporting the name (assuming he carries through with his words). He and I obviously have a lot of difference, but I can overlook that for the moment, I think.

And noon is a much more civilized hour than 8:00am. I should even be fully awake by then.

The Mormon Church’s stance on abstinence, dating, and the clothes you wear resonate with my personal morals,” says Powell.

BWAAAHAHAHAHA! Yeah right. Wolves who wear fleece are still wolves.

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“The Mormon Church’s stance on abstinence, dating, and the clothes you wear resonate with my personal morals,” says Powell.

http://www.geneffects.com/blog/2004/09/so-you-want-to-be-male-nude-model.html

If that is the case, then the LDS are completely, totally, and horribly stupid. Since they're rich as all get out, I'm going to assume it has a lot more to do with them wanting to deny gay people equal rights.

Festivities start at 10:30am

WITH THE RALLY AND KEYNOTE SPEAKERS AT 12:00 PM, NOON, at Volunteer Park.

A March to Westlake will commence directly after rally, approx 1pm.

I mean to each his own....but call it like it is.

I'll be marching on Saturday FOR marriage equality, not against the LDS or

Granted, if anyone wants to start organizing sit ins on the lawn of every married couple in Arkansas that voted to strip adoption/foster rights from perfectly good families...I'm all about it. We'll agree to leave when every one of the thousands of children in the AK foster system (and the nearly 3000 in Utah's) is adopted by those loving, loving married couples.

Go Girl!

Your personal morals are built as much or more on the mistakes you make as on your correct choices. Most people have done things they are not proud of (unfortunately especially young gay men), lord knows I've made plenty of mistakes. That's how you grow.

I don't know the situation, but do either of you really know all of it either? So why judge, why exclude the possibility of someone's morals evolving?

How many times have civil rights for other minority groups actually been put to a popular vote? WHY are the civil rights for this minority group being put to a popular vote???? If the constitution says that all are created equal, and our interpretation of that is to give all individuals equal protection under the law, WHY is this even a QUESTION?

And how can I translate that whole idea into a succinct and clear protest sign?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyestablishment/3020613095/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyestablishment/3021443578/

Love taking Volunteer park again for Queer stuff.

Very good plan all in all. Saw a sign I like from NY -"this is not a parade" - talk it up to friends and family.

'Separate Church and State' means 'Separate your Religious Values from my Civil Rights'

All families are afforded equal protection under the US Constitution.

1967 - Protection for Interracial Couples
2008? - Protection for Same-Sex Couples

So, when they say they're not anti-gay, they're lying. And, in LDS mythology, it's okay to lie, as long as you lie for the Lord.

The Doctrine & Covenants - one of the mains books of scripture for the church - states "We believe that religion is instituted of God; and that men are amenable to him, and to him only, for the exercise of it, unless their religious opinions prompt them to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others…" (D&C 134:4)

Their very own Book of Mormon states "it is strictly contrary to the commandments of God that there should be a law which should bring men on to unequal grounds." (Alma 30:7)

THAT is why I have a problem with the LDS Church on this issue. I expect biggotry, sexism, racism, and worse from the Catholic church, but Mormons - who at one point in history were tarred and feathered for their own differences - should know and act better.

Gay rights pioneer Frank Kameny: “We cannot ask for our rights from a position of inferiority, or from a position, shall I say, as less than WHOLE human beings… I do not see the NAACP and CORE worrying about which chromosome and gene produced a black skin, or about the possibility of bleaching the Negro. I do not see any great interest on the part of the B’nai B’rith Anti-Defamation League in the possibility of solving problems of anti-semitism by converting Jews to Christians. . . We are interested in obtaining rights for our respective minorities AS Negroes, AS Jews, and AS HOMOSEXUALS. Why we are Negroes, Jews, or Homosexuals is totally irrelevant, and whether we can be changed to Whites, Christians, or heterosexuals is equally irrelevant.”