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<title>Slog - Comments on Now He Has a Reason to Live</title>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live</link>
<description>A Seattle man is suing the city after, the man claims, police &quot;illegally&quot; sent him to a hospital for observation after he called a suicide hotline from the Aurora Bridge. According the suit filed in King County Superior Court on November 6th, the man walked to the northeast side of the bridge around midnight on August 22nd and used an emergency phones to call a suicide-prevention hotline. The man told the operator he &quot;just wanted to talk about some personal problems.&quot; The suit says twenty minutes later, SPD and Seattle Fire showed up and, man claims officers &quot;illegally ordered [him]...</description>
<copyright>Copyright 2008</copyright>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:03:51 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Non</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.</p>]]></description>
<author>Non</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198373</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198373</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:06:47 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Carollani</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>He's naive if he thinks $500,000 will support him for the rest of his life.</p>

<p>I understand his claim, though, I've been forced to ride in ambulances when all I required was a transport and been left with ridiculous amounts of debt to pay.</p>]]></description>
<author>Carollani</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198389</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198389</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:14:20 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by keshmeshi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>What?  How about $883 to cover his medical expenses and money to cover his legal fees?</p>

<p>Opportunistic bastard.</p>]]></description>
<author>keshmeshi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198395</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198395</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:16:59 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by the Uke</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Wow hes lucky my student loans are around 50K.  But I guess I wont be heading to the Aurora bridge to sort things out.</p>]]></description>
<author>the Uke</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198404</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198404</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:19:03 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by David Wright</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, we need to open an office of Go Ahead and Kill Yourself.</p>]]></description>
<author>David Wright</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198405</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198405</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:19:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by six shooter</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>In Seattle, ambulances transport people who require very little pre-hospital care. You almost always have the right to suggest alternate means of transportation or refuse ambulance transport.</p>

<p>However, if you're involuntarily committed or in police custody, you lose that right.</p>

<p>Ambulance rides in Seattle cost a lot of money. Rides in any Seattle fire medic unit are free.</p>

<p>The fire department EMTs and paramedics cannot <i>force</i> you to do anything.</p>]]></description>
<author>six shooter</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198426</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198426</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:27:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Wurm</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>hrm, remove the hotlines, guy would have jumped, Darwin for the win!</p>]]></description>
<author>Wurm</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198431</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198431</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:27:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by jorb</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful. This is exactly how the city should be spending their money: paying for some whiny jagoff to be setup for life. Let's see how many nanoseconds it takes for the judge to throw this lawsuit off the proverbial Aurora Bridge.</p>]]></description>
<author>jorb</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198439</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198439</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:31:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by jorb</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful. This is exactly how the city should be spending their money: paying for some whiny jagoff to be setup for life. Let's see how many nanoseconds it takes for the judge to throw this lawsuit off the proverbial Aurora Bridge.</p>]]></description>
<author>jorb</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198455</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198455</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:35:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by max solomon</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>sticking him with a hospital bill for deciding to ask for help rather than jump seems... counterproductive.</p>

<p>don't jump! call us & worsen your debt load instead!</p>]]></description>
<author>max solomon</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198463</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198463</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:38:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by jorb</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>damn you, ultra-slow work internet!</p>]]></description>
<author>jorb</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198475</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198475</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:41:06 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elswinger</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>A typical ride in an ambulance is $750 or more.  It's a total ripoff, but that's the way it is.</p>]]></description>
<author>elswinger</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198477</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198477</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:41:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by SeMe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>couldnt he call the suicide hotline from another location?</p>

<p>cops are not in the wrong here.</p>]]></description>
<author>SeMe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198478</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198478</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:41:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Crisis Clinic</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It isn't just a "suicide prevention hotline" it is the Crisis Clinic! It is the only one in King County, and they deal with a lot more than just suicide calls. Please show some respect for the oldest crisis line in the country and refer to this important Seattle institution by name.</p>]]></description>
<author>Crisis Clinic</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198480</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198480</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:41:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Dougsf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>He could have refused treatment. He was probably told to get in, did it, got a bill and now regrets it. If he truly doesn't have the means to pay, there is a sliding scale or low income payment plan he can enter into. If he's just trying to dodge his bill - lame. Suing, ever lamer.</p>

<p>Last time I went to the ER, I flagged a cab (which is really easy in my neighborhood). According to a friend that's an EMT, rides can run about $2,000 here.</p>]]></description>
<author>Dougsf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198507</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198507</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:55:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bellevue Ave</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>punitive damages should be abolished in cases where the person lives and isn't horribly deformed or disabled.</p>]]></description>
<author>Bellevue Ave</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198511</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198511</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:57:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by itsmarkmitchell</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Didn't Ted Bundy work at the Crisis Clinic in the 70's?</p>]]></description>
<author>itsmarkmitchell</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198513</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198513</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:59:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Todd</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible that with i-1000 recently passed we can work on a solution for him?</p>]]></description>
<author>Todd</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198539</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198539</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:10:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many people commit suicide over high medical bills?</p>

<p>Mind you, if I was a cop, I'd have done the same thing as they did.</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198549</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198549</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:14:15 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by inkweary</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The cost of emergency transport really isn't that unreasonable if you factor in all of the elements involved. In Seattle EMS personel are required to be fully qualified fire-fighters before taking passing extensive emergency medical training. They are pretty much equivalent to an ER nurse in skill with fire-fighting abilities tacked on. The EMS aid-car is a rolling ICU. On the other hand, the drivers who do stable patient transfers in the less-equiped ambulance have med-tech certification and are equivalent to ER medical assistants.</p>

<p><br />
If you call 911 they have to dispatch EMS which in Seattle involves the police, EMS and at least one fire truck. The fire truck comes in case doors need to be broken open to get to the victim and there are more of them so they are the first responders. After arrival, the EMS team evalutes the patient for acuity of need. If the patient has life-threatening condition or is very unstable he/she is transported via EMS. If EMS stablizes the patient or deems them stable at the scene they call in the aid car for transport. This system keeps the EMS teams more free to respond to multiple calls without bogging them down in routine patient transfer. Thus constituted the system is expensive to operate but of a such high quality Seattle is routinely used as the model for other cities wishing to improve their systems.</p>

<p>That said, there are very many people who abuse the system for a variety of reasons.</p>]]></description>
<author>inkweary</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198585</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198585</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:31:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Punitive damages keep companies from just writing off lawsuits as just a cost of doing business. I'm not defending this boob's case, which will be heard (and denied) in a court, but to say that punitive damages should be eliminated is ridiculous. "Deformed or disabled" isn't what punitive damages are for; they are PUNITIVE -- punishment. Deformed or disabled would be a different kind of compensation.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198594</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198594</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:35:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by COMTE</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Can I counter-sue this guy for illegally wasting my time and hard-earned tax money on a dodgey "suicide scam"?<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>COMTE</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198619</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198619</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:44:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Original Monique</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>As I have stated earlier, people who kill themselves (or, apparently *try* to) are DICKS. </p>

<p>Dude is a fucking dick. </p>]]></description>
<author>Original Monique</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198649</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198649</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:53:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>He should sue God for making him an idiot.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198749</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198749</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:23:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Q*bert H. Humphrey</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Fnarf, couldn't the punitive damages problem be solved by not giving money to the plaintiff, but just taking it and returning it to the treasury (effectively the same as burning cash)?</p>]]></description>
<author>Q*bert H. Humphrey</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198807</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198807</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:43:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Schmacky</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>He's an asshole, apparently.</p>]]></description>
<author>Schmacky</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198956</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1198956</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:42:45 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Brian in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Why he can't just be happy with asking the city to reimburse him for the 883 dollar medical bill or writing it off? Why be a greedy bastard?</p>

<p>I hate frivolous lawsuits. </p>]]></description>
<author>Brian in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1199014</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1199014</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:17:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by John Galt</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I've had quite a bit of experience with this question.</p><p>The Fire Department cannot force you to do anything.  However, the police department can.  The transport in the ambulance is called an "IVT" or InVoluntary Transport.  This is used then the patient cannot be trusted to make judgements in their own best interests.</p><p>A good example of a person who might not be thinking clearly is one who walks to the Aurora Bridge and then uses the emergency phone to try to chat with someone about his student loans.</p><p>This is crap.  Any time you say ANYTHING about self-harm to Emergency Services personel, you can expect to end up at a hospital.  The idea is that field personnel do not have the training to evaluate the mental fitness of the individual in question.  Should they, in fact, let someone go - someone who later kills themselves, they would be liable for that death.</p><p>What the hell were they supposed to do in this circumstance?  Let the guy who used the suicide phone go free to wander around the Aurora Bridge some more to see if he came up with any better ideas?</p><p>Ambulances are expensive because no-one in this country has health insurance.  Fewer than 30% of the people in Harborview's ER have any insurance at all.  Just think about how much more expensive a burrito at Taco Del Mar would be if 70% of their customers walked out without paying - and then factor in the occassional customer who just randomly sues them for a few million.  You'd probably end up with a pretty fucking expensive burrito.</p><p>This guy was an idiot, and on paper this is a classic cry for help.  Debt is a classic trigger for suicidal ideation.</p><p>What the fuck ever.</p>]]></description>
<author>John Galt</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1199371</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/now_he_has_a_reason_to_live#c1199371</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 03:47:49 -0800</pubDate>
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