But hey, it's always someone else's fault.

I've seriously never been so disappointed in Slog. I don't see how these posts could be motivated by anything but racism, since they clearly are anti-factual. I don't even think extreme laziness could be an excuse anymore. If I was Charles I'd be updating my resume.

There are many reasons why this thing failed. Now's the time to go out there and correct them. Finger-pointing and race-baiting isn't going to solve anything.

yeah, i'm pretty annoyed at all the blame blacks are getting as well. not that i supported prop. 8 or anything, but the loss was because of a campaign that wasn't run well enough to reach out to enough people (including the white majority, not just minorites) to get people to vote the way they wanted. demonizing minorities like this is not the way to make anyone sympathetic to your cause - i'm in your corner and want to send a hearty 'fuck you' to everyone blaming blacks, so good luck getting all those black californians to come around next time.

a shitty campaign was run and you lost. try again until it works. and eventually it will. blaming other minorities in the interim is not helping the cause.

The people of CA have spoken. We might not like it, but we need to figure out how to move forward. It's encouraging to see that people are actually fighting back and are being vocal. When these things happened to our mid-western brothers and sisters the numbers of glbt folks hurt were often terribly small compared to our coastal states with large urban areas.

When something similar passed in Michigan in 2004 the reaction of most Michigan gays afterwards (after anger, of course) was to just not rock the boat. It was sad. As a then-Michigan resident, let me say that the event barely registered for most coastal gays. The lessons one could have taken from that fight were apparently lost over the past 4 years as evidenced by the unfortunate campaign run by the No on 8 crowd. Sigh.

blaming other minority voters is inaccurate and does nothing for cause.

time to regroup and win even bigger next time.

just like we did after Kerry lost, now with our Obama win.

"burried as repost"

Glad you could join the conversation though, Eli! Welcome! :D

CA is less than 10% black, but it's obviously 51% asshole. Time to move to the next step of the fight.

Completely false. All of the other articles I see about this exit polling say things like "blacks and latinos tipped the balance" which is a convenient way of glossing over the fact that whites were SPLIT on the issue.

Its just common knowledge that chickens are more important than gay people...

Is unity just not your thing?

What the hell, Seattle? Aren't Concerned White Liberals(tm) supposed to put their blame on Bush and Republicans?

"CA is less than 10% black, but it's obviously 51% asshole. Time to move to the next step of the fight."

Blacks are the easiest target, and you (and Dan) have locked in on them, with utter disregard for any of the other responsible parties. Is it because of intellectual laziness, or is there a hint of racism clouding your thinking? I can't figure it out.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html

He doesn't dig very deep into why the exit poll was completely unreflective of reality, or why even if the exit polls were accurate that changing the black voting rate to white levels wouldn't have caused Proposition 8 to fail. However, he still reaches the same conclusion that anyone who thought about this for more than 4 seconds would have reached: racial minorities didn't cause Prop 8 to pass.

I wonder how these people explain the anti-gay amendments in North and South Dakota, Montana, Kentucky, Idaho, Wisconsin and Nebraska. It probably makes their brains explode.

It's easy to take a look at one bit of information and extrapolate a simple but ultimately incorrect conclusion, but it's just tunnel vision.

And the "election of black, progressive president causes ironic anti-progressive initiative to pass" story sure is a fun angle, 'cause we all love good irony, but it's simply not true.

Thank God we have actual smart people like Nate Silver looking at this stuff and making actual sense of it.

Under cover of night, Negroes sneak into these different states when some hateful anti gay piece of shit is on the ballot, then we inhabit the bodies of the white people, taking special care to inhabit only the bodies of registered voters. (This is a trick we learn at secret voodoo seminars offered in Haiti and by the Nigerian Anglican church.) Then we vote to pass the hateful legislation. I'm telling you this because you seem cool. Please don't spread it around or I might get in trouble with the Council on Black Homophobia.