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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

UW Daily Endorses… Rossi?

posted by on October 29 at 9:24 AM

Slog tipper Charles writes:

I’m a student at the UW and I thought you might want to see these piece-of-shit endorsements for Dino Rossi and against I-1000 made by our piece-of-shit student newspaper, The Daily. Normally this would be irrelevant, but the Daily has a potential (idiot) readership of 20,000 and the gubernatorial race is close enough that something like this could actually tip it one way or another.

The Daily’s reasoning on Rossi:

In tough economic times, we need a candidate who can balance the budget and Dino is our guy. He’s smart, he’s savvy and he had the know-how to help Gary Locke get out of economic anguish in 2003.

For four years under Christine Gregoire, the budget was balanced. But the viaduct has remained in its status quo and the Sonics are gone.

And on I-1000:

Instead of focusing on ending life prematurely, the focus should be on providing care that increases the quality of life during those last months.

I’m guessing there are more than a few dissenting UW students and alumni in the Slog mob, so I’ll save you all the trouble of digging this up yourself: here’s the email address for Daily editor Sarah Jeglum.

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1

But the viaduct has remained in its status quo and the Sonics are gone.

I think that last line will make most UW students go "bwaahahaahaha", I hope.

But I do encourage feedback to the editor.

Posted by mackro mackro | October 29, 2008 9:29 AM
2

"Yes, Gregoire should have allowed Bennett to skullfuck the city, county, and state, so uh like vote for Rossi, who was a willing taker of Bennett, if you know what i mean."

Posted by mackro mackro | October 29, 2008 9:31 AM
3

Too bad John Keister isn't still on the Daily staff.

Posted by stinkbug | October 29, 2008 9:31 AM
4

Yes, a student newspaper must never have a dissenting opinion from a large portion of the students...wait what?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 9:32 AM
5

U-dub slog readers: would an editorial in The Daily sway your vote?

Seriously.

Posted by mackro mackro | October 29, 2008 9:33 AM
6

no one should be able to publish writing until AFTER they graduate.

Posted by max solomon | October 29, 2008 9:33 AM
7

I wrote for the Daily a bit back in the mid-'90s, and this may be nostalgia talking, but I'm pretty sure it was a great deal better back then. The issues I pick up these days are TERRIBLE. Worse than a high school paper. I fear the internet and tabloid journalism may have done a number on our young journalists.

Hopefully a good number of the UW's undergrad population will take these recommendations with a HUGE grain of salt given the current state of the Daily in general.

Posted by Matthew | October 29, 2008 9:35 AM
8

Don't worry. No one actually reads the Daily. It's just a masturbatory journalistic exercise for students who wish to become reporters.

Posted by Former UW student | October 29, 2008 9:38 AM
9

I just remember getting mad at them for never running the concerts the UW put on in the calendar. And never even attempting to promote them, no matter how many times I told them that they could contact me and probably get interviews with the band, or at least get something to write about. They could preview concerts going on in other places, but for some reason, never the ones in the next building over.

Ahem. Anyway.

Posted by Abby | October 29, 2008 9:39 AM
10

Maybe if Gregiore was better at her job this wouldn't have happened? Just sayin'.

I mean Obama is going to take the state by double digits, Kerry took Washington in a landslide, we have two Democratic Senators and she is ahead of Rossi by two fucking points? The problem isn't the Daily, the problem is Gregiore!!

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | October 29, 2008 9:42 AM
11

God, The Daily is such a sad sack of a newspaper. Every day as a grad student I have to walk by these stacks of it, and teach in the same building as its quite nice, dedicated offices, and wonder simply, "What the fuck?" My undergrad university had half the student body and two papers better than the Daily.

But it's in no small part a function of attempting to produce daily college newspapers. There's just fuck all to write about, and so they have to set the bar quite low (and it's not like these kids are qualified to write on much of anything, anyway).

Posted by The Daily Blows | October 29, 2008 9:43 AM
12

the SKY IS FALLING!

The electoral map has changed drastically (for prez). McCain is now winning. How did this happen?

http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/winning-the-electoral-college/

what do we do?

Posted by cochise. | October 29, 2008 9:44 AM
13

Despite all this talk about "Generation We", college students are still gullible when it comes to former used car salesmen and ISO tablers.

Posted by stinkbug | October 29, 2008 9:46 AM
14

The Daily is notoriously bad. I know plenty of people who wanted to major in journalism at UW but hated the Daily so much they went to WSU. Earlier this year they published a story on the front page about an event on campus without mentioning where, when, how much, or who to contact for information. Not a single person caught that-- WTF?

When I do bother with the Daily at the bus stop, it's generally filled with sports and conservative ramblings. In a city filled with tons of music and art, I never see either covered. Daily FAIL.

Posted by Jessica | October 29, 2008 9:48 AM
15

@12 -- What do we do? Stop visiting the fox news web site.

Posted by Alan | October 29, 2008 9:53 AM
16

Wow, that Fox map is a joke. Pretending Iowa and Michigan are tossups ain't gonna make it so.

Posted by Levislade | October 29, 2008 9:54 AM
17

Oregon too, hilarious, that just made my day

Posted by vooodooo84 | October 29, 2008 9:58 AM
18

It will be somewhat entertaining (in a Schaudenfraude-silver-lining kinda way) if this sways enough students to vote for Rossi, and then he jacks up the little bastards' tuition to the sky.

Posted by Murgen | October 29, 2008 9:59 AM
19

Huh. The Daily's site is "currently undergoing maintenance."

RETRACT RETRACT RETRACT boooop booooop booooop!

Ridiculous.

Posted by Kristin | October 29, 2008 10:02 AM
20

Ugh... The people currently in the Daily that are responsible for the writing of content and represent the majority of editorial opinion have become an insular little group of undergrads that have even run out other people--even grad students with actual professional experience.

Dealing with them can also be a headache because they take their cues from television mainstream media sources, which many of them hope to someday aspire to. As the Daily is an entirely student run medium there isn't much in the way of quality control unless those participating in the Daily want there to be.

A lot of students do complain that it's assey and we've just taken to telling them, "well then contribute/participate!" Of course the caveat to that is, form a mob and storm it then your contributions will see the light of day.

Posted by UW-Grad-Student | October 29, 2008 10:02 AM
21

Yeah, the Daily sucks horribly, but they're making some changes this year... instead of having a new editorial staff every quarter, they've moved to an annual model now... that's bound to help with consistency and the quality of editing.

Though, I have to admit it bothers me that the "conservatives" they pull out of the woodwork to write rebuttals or the token conservative piece tend to be nut jobs or, to borrow a phrase, credulous hacks. After reading some of the worst examples, I've frequently tried to give up reading the whole paper... but I keep going back. Mostly because they do still occasionally talk about things I'm involved in... if we beg them, spoon feed them the information they need to write the article, and then call to make sure they wrote the damn thing.

Posted by current UW student | October 29, 2008 10:03 AM
22

#7: I know what you mean. I was at the Daily from '90-'93, and it was an exciting place to be at that time. Lots of good people, and some surprisingly great writing. Sorry to see it's declined so far...

Posted by Aaron Huffman | October 29, 2008 10:07 AM
23

Right now there is a Dino protest on 3rd and Lenora.

Posted by atwork | October 29, 2008 10:09 AM
24

As a current grad student at UW and a former grad of WSU, I was hoping against hope that at least the editorial board at the Daily Evergreen (WSU's student rag) had the good sense to endorse Chris. Sadly, it isn't so.

http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/26756

Where the fuck are Washingtonian collegians to go for an insightful look at state politics? Do any of the dailies at higher ed institutions (Central's Observer, the Western Front, the Jibsheet the Spectator, the Whitworthian, etc.) endorse Gregoire?

Posted by cockle | October 29, 2008 10:09 AM
25

Seems to me that many college papers have moved in a conservative direction in the last decade or so. The usual stereotype-leftie student just isn't drawn to journalism as a career (or, in this media landscape, doesn't see the benefit of a journalism degree in pursuing that career anyway).

Posted by reviewstew | October 29, 2008 10:10 AM
26

This would appear counter to the message of that video posted yesterday that generations have anything what-so-ever to do with making change in this world. (unless the UW Daily editors are all those evil baby boomers)

Posted by Heather | October 29, 2008 10:16 AM
27

the Daily is such a shitty newspaper...makes the SGN look brilliant.

It's an embarassment to the journalism department...

Posted by michael strangeways | October 29, 2008 10:18 AM
28

The Daily is consistently unreadable.

Posted by Trevor | October 29, 2008 10:20 AM
29

Maybe "Luke The Truth" Esser has returned to The Daily:
http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/politics/2008/09/18/ethics_board_dismisses_gop_chair_luke_th

Nice to see someone finally is admitting that the Sonics' fiasco is influencing the race. Not that the Sonics matter to me but a number of people I know are voting for Rossi simply because of the Sonics which is sad since Rossi is sooo bad. Even The Stranger is ignoring the Sonics influence on the race. Whether you care about the Sonics or not it still is having a bigger influence on the race than most people on here care to admit.

Posted by Gay Seattle | October 29, 2008 10:21 AM
30

When I was but a kid in high school (late 80's / early 90's) I would take extension courses at UW and hang out there a lot coz college guys are what they are. Back then I thought the Stranger was the UW student newspaper.

Posted by James Jackhammer | October 29, 2008 10:23 AM
31

"Huh. The Daily's site is "currently undergoing maintenance."
RETRACT RETRACT RETRACT boooop booooop booooop!"

We used to restrict comments to Facebook users only to prevent spam, but because of this article I took the site down for a few minutes to remove that restriction. Maybe if there's enough feedback, they'll issue a retraction.

Have at it, folks.

Posted by David | October 29, 2008 10:23 AM
32

"Huh. The Daily's site is "currently undergoing maintenance."
RETRACT RETRACT RETRACT boooop booooop booooop!"

We used to restrict comments to Facebook users only to prevent spam, but because of this article I took the site down for a few minutes to remove that restriction. Maybe if there's enough feedback, they'll issue a retraction.

Have at it, folks.

Posted by David | October 29, 2008 10:24 AM
33

Yeah, lets bully people that disagree with us.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 10:25 AM
34

My biggest problem is that they've put our budget and the Sonics above both health care and education, they need to get their priorities strait.

Posted by Chris | October 29, 2008 10:26 AM
35

@24: Jibsheet represent!

Posted by Jessica | October 29, 2008 10:36 AM
36

The last time I picked up The Daily, there was a huge article on 'how to dress for success' and it promised to be first in a series of 'style reports.' It really has gone the way of tabloid TV for teenage minds.

Posted by Explorer | October 29, 2008 10:38 AM
37

The same that said Boeing was leaving in 2001 because Seattle was plagued by "liberalism"? Oh, swoon!

Posted by AJ | October 29, 2008 10:44 AM
38

You have to be on Facebook to post comments there, by the way.

I'm canceling my subscription as a UW Alumni ...

Posted by Will in Seattle | October 29, 2008 11:02 AM
39

As a former employee and editor of WSU's The Daily Evergreen, I can say that we snickered a lot about the crap printed in UW's Daily. As @14 pointed out, people who know anything about good com schools realize that WSU has one of the finest programs of any public university in the nation ... but UW can't really make that claim.

That said: Student papers, even the best student papers, are not The New York Times. They're testing grounds. Experimental labs, where you see what works and what doesn't. A big part of student journalism is finding your voice and learning how to affect the reader on a personal level. This is especially true in the opinion pages of student papers, where many writers will adopt a contrary position for the specific purpose of getting the readers riled up. Angry letters to the editor are often viewed as better than no letters at all -- using the logic that if people are mad enough to write, at least they're reading the paper.

Editorials in student newspapers -- any student newspaper, including the Harvard Crimson or the Daily Illini -- carry very little weight in the real world. It's doubtful the Daily's Rossi endorsement would sway even undecided student voters, much less local residents who just need something to flip through at the bus stop.

Posted by GrammarCop | October 29, 2008 11:03 AM
40

and @9 for the win - they never tell you what's really going on, sadly. EPIC FAIL, daily!

Posted by Will in Seattle | October 29, 2008 11:05 AM
41

The Daily is so terrible! The only thing it's good for is sitting on when it's wet outside and you are on a smoke break.

Posted by ray | October 29, 2008 11:06 AM
42

@38: "You have to be on Facebook to post comments there, by the way."

Not for the endorsement article.

Posted by stinkbug | October 29, 2008 11:17 AM
43

It just occurred to me that perhaps the Cougs and Huskies are having a journalistic year similar to the experiences of their football squadrons. Perhaps the Apple Cup should be substituted for a Daily/Daily Evergreen editorial board battle to the death.

Posted by cockle | October 29, 2008 11:29 AM
44

Pathetic. Did they even do any research? I know for a fact they didn't talk to anybody on any of the campaigns.

Thank god I already voted.

Yes for Gregoire, and Yes on 1000.

Posted by Lucy | October 29, 2008 11:30 AM
45

Why can't people understand that Republicans don't balance budgets they break them giving pork to special interests. Dino is not savvy he's smarmy.

re: I 1000-Since Republicans always slash social programs where will funding for better end-of-life care be found?

Posted by inkweary | October 29, 2008 11:54 AM
46

#7 & #22: It all went to hell in a handbasket when Oren retired.

Posted by Kalakalot | October 29, 2008 12:11 PM
47

@46: Yeah, I was thinking that was probably the deal. Oren Campbell knew how to stay out of the way of the staff but still lead by example. He had, whadayacallit? Gravitas.

Posted by Matthew | October 29, 2008 12:21 PM
48

The Daily, at least in its current form, is an embarrassment to the University. I've read it on and off for three years and can say with a high level of certainty that my high school paper was leaps and bounds better.

Posted by obamatron | October 29, 2008 12:33 PM
49

@42:"'You have to be on Facebook to post comments there, by the way.'
Not for the endorsement article."

Actually, no articles require it anymore. We received too many complaints about that policy; it was nice for keeping out spam, but also prevented a lot of legitimate comments.

Posted by David | October 29, 2008 12:47 PM
50

When I first moved here in 1987, I lived in the U District, and would regularly see "The Daily". I couldn't believe how crappy it was: Mediocre reporting, tabloid formatting - just totally amateur.

Coming from Iowa City, where "The Daily Iowan" competes with the Iowa City Press-Citizen (and usually wins in terms of quality), it was quite a surprise.

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay | October 29, 2008 1:20 PM
51

I read the daily this morning. By read, I meant looked at it to make sure it wasn't of any actual value before using it to clean up a caustic spill. As far as I can tell, that is its best and only use.

Posted by Lara | October 29, 2008 1:51 PM
52

I stopped reading the Daily years ago when their April Fool's edition was about a fictional, but very real sounding, rapist on the Evergreen State College campus.

Posted by elswinger | October 29, 2008 2:12 PM
53

I'm a current reporter and former section editor for the UW Daily and I have to say that these two endorsements make me ashamed to call myself a part of the university student newspaper.

Posted by JackT | October 29, 2008 3:23 PM
54

@53: WTF is going on there if they've decided to endorse Rossi? Can't you stage a coup or something and make the Daily better? (and get rid of all the empty space around the articles. It doesn't look good, it just makes it look empty. All you need to do is make the font they're printed in a skoch bigger and it would look better.)

Posted by Jessica | October 29, 2008 3:52 PM
55

The Daily has been terrible for at least the past six years, probably longer. I remember that the only section my classmates ever paid attention to was the Sudoku page.

Posted by Greg | October 29, 2008 3:53 PM
56

@54
Sorry, our design chief for the past few quarters has no design experience and an unhealthy obsession with whitespace.

Posted by Daily | October 29, 2008 4:39 PM
57

Got to love the WE GENERATION

Posted by McWe | October 29, 2008 5:54 PM
58

As a UW alum and a Daily alum, I still have an amusing memory of sitting in the Daily newsroom working on an article, watching while the rich-kid douchebags who passed for Editor-in-Chief and News Editor spent a good half-hour passing a football back and forth, trying to come up with a topic for a staff editorial as press time approached:

"What do you wanna write about?"

"I dunno, what do you wanna write about?"

This was in early 2001, when, like, y'know, there wasn't much happening in the news worth reading, much less writing about.

(/sarcasm)

True, Teh Daily has launched the careers of some brilliant people--David Horsey, Charles Cross, John Keister--but all too often it's been more of a high school hangover than a crucible for great future journalists. Oh well.

Long live Ruckus!

Posted by Jeff Stevens | October 29, 2008 6:09 PM
59

I'm sorry, but #56, who are you? The design chief at The Daily actually has plenty of experience in design.

End tangent.

Posted by Brianne | October 29, 2008 11:09 PM
60

The design chief perpetually looks like an Ave rat and markets her vagina like one too. She was doing some good stuff until her pride went to her head and the Daily started looking like a high school yearbook.

Excuse the bluntness of this post, I was just writing with the same lack of class the Daily exhibits.

Posted by huskypride | October 30, 2008 1:34 AM
61

Wait, people actually read the daily? I thought everyone just grabbed it in order to work the sudoku puzzle in class.

Posted by grad student | October 30, 2008 9:52 AM
62

@60
agreed, whoever you are.

Posted by uwrocks | October 30, 2008 9:52 AM
63

where have I seen this irrational anger and lack of toleration before? Oh yeah, the MCCAIN campaign.

Posted by UW student | October 30, 2008 5:03 PM
65

huskypride:

to know what i dress like and how i act means you must personally know me. the fact that you would publish such mean and intentionally hurtful statements about someone you actually know in a public and anonymous forum says a lot about YOUR character.

i hope you feel better about yourself, finally sinking down to the same "lack of class the Daily exhibits."

now if you'll excuse me, i have to go flaunt my vagina on the ave in my rather homeless attire.


Posted by design chief | October 30, 2008 5:25 PM

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