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Saturday, October 18, 2008

The Morning Outrage

posted by on October 18 at 9:53 AM

TPM posted a few videos last night to get your weekend started off right..

First up, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), popping off about why there should be investigations into exactly how “pro-American” certain members of Congress are, and many other Hot Topics in Nationalist Fervor.

Presumably, if they’re not found to be suitably patriotic, they’ll be.. oh, let’s say executed.

(Update: There’s already a movement to have Congress censure Rep. Bachman, with it’s very own domain name.)

And then there’s more fun with McCain/Palin supporters outside one of their events. Look for the immutable logic of “Ayers! Obama, Ayers! Connection! What more do you have to say?” and other gems.

And finally, a taste of what’s to come:

The Wisconsin GOP is currently recruiting “Milwaukee area veterans, policeman, security personnel and firefighters to work as poll watchers on election day at inner city polling places.

On the bright side:
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1

dear lord, she sounds like a Palin clone!

"the liberals that are Wright and that are Ayers, they are over the top anti-american, and that's the question that americans have."

WTF does that even mean?

"his attitudes, values and beliefs with jeremiah wright on his view of United States, which is negative..."

Posted by rococo | October 18, 2008 10:03 AM
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Shocking Exposé: Republican Congresswoman from Minnesota displays shockingly anti-American philosophy!

Posted by Chris in Tampa | October 18, 2008 10:08 AM
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(1) This is the first time I've ever been ashamed to hail from MN.

(2) http://www.censurebachmann.com/.

(3) Those 538 numbers are *down* from yesterday, and showing Obama cresting right now. They're a source of concern, not comfort.

Posted by Big Sven | October 18, 2008 10:09 AM
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the republican party has completely lost it

Posted by Gordon | October 18, 2008 10:11 AM
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Dear lord, Joe McCarthy's back and he's in drag!

Posted by --MC | October 18, 2008 10:13 AM
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@3 - Actually, those are yesterday's numbers. And Obama cresting (or plateauing) is to be expected. There has to be a ceiling to his popularity, and he's probably near it. He's not dropping, and McCain's not really gaining in any substantive ways. That, and none of the polls yet are showing the reaction to the last debate, which I predict will be another bump for Obama.

Posted by Anthony Hecht | October 18, 2008 10:26 AM
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Oi.

Yes, lets bring in the cops and the military for a little voter intimidation in the inner cities.

Brilliant.

Posted by Reverse Polarity | October 18, 2008 10:34 AM
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So, are the "policeman" and "security personnel" going to be wearing their uniforms at the "inner city polling places"? Are they going to be asking voters whether they have outstanding warrants? Would the Wisconsin GOP prefer to recruit white "policeman" for this task?

And who's going to be watching Diebold?

Posted by sara | October 18, 2008 10:35 AM
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Even if he was cresting, there's no way that he would be in an actual free fall, and that's the only way McCain could recover his numbers within 2 weeks.

Posted by Chris in Tampa | October 18, 2008 10:35 AM
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Bachmann shot herself in the mouth. Her opponent has raised something like $100,000 since last night:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18660

Donate from this group, because it has the best name:

http://www.actblue.com/page/nonewmccarthy

Posted by chris | October 18, 2008 10:54 AM
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Are the cops and firefighters supposed to carry nooses over their shoulders, too?

Posted by Greg | October 18, 2008 10:58 AM
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@6: he *is* dropping, in Research 2000 and Battleground polls. Most of the rest are stalled. Some individual states are little better for McSame.

@9: who said free-fall?

My point is just that the numbers aren't comforting; things are slowing down for our candidate. Hopefully there will be a bounce from the debate, or at the very least we'll just sit at +7 or +8 until election day. But let's not pretend the numbers say something they don't.

Posted by Big Sven | October 18, 2008 11:13 AM
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G-d she's awful.

Sven, stop freaking out. Overreaction right now can be deadly. Just look at the Dow.

We can't expect that everyone is going to love Obama. You can't expect total market saturation.

Posted by Dawgson | October 18, 2008 11:17 AM
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"The Wisconsin GOP is currently recruiting 'Milwaukee area veterans, policeman [sic], security personnel and firefighters to work as poll watchers on election day at inner city polling places.'"

Sinister! How dare people who have served their country and community be asked to participate in the elections process? Creeping fascism is what it is dammit! Alert Keith Olbermann again!

Posted by Seajay | October 18, 2008 11:27 AM
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So a great way to show how Anti-American you are is spending about two years of your life running for the highest office in American politics.

Next thing Bachmann is going to do is show how anti-abortion she is by volunteering at Planned Parenthood.

Posted by Tally | October 18, 2008 11:30 AM
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Wow! talk about a McCarthy witch hunt.

Those just like her are having a temper tantrum because their not getting what they want.

Posted by Simon | October 18, 2008 11:45 AM
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@14 - arbitrarily "policing" inner city polling places is not ""participating in the election process," it's voter intimidation. Care to address why they're specifically doing this in inner city polling places? The service these people have provided as policemen, firefighters, etc. is completely irrelevant and you damn well know it. No one said a word about their previous service.

Posted by Anthony Hecht | October 18, 2008 12:04 PM
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"policeman, security personnel and firefighters"

Republican fear is rampant and thriving

It's like a kennel of rapid pit bulls

I'm feeling called to go to Milwaukee

Posted by 4f...sake | October 18, 2008 12:16 PM
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*rabid

Posted by 4f...sake | October 18, 2008 12:18 PM
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1. I have to say Obama is great today because he's like demanding the DOJ look into all this anti voter stuff the Bush team is coordinating thru McCain and actually fucking doing something about it for once like Madow said. The whole GOP fake lying "let's protect us from voter fraud, oh here Ohio voters we have to "check" 200,000 new registrations before you can vote."
2. Bit in repsonse to Bachman and this new anti American theme come on folks. Censure is so wussy. Let 'em have it.

Seajay, Bailo, GOP, McCain all of you you are anti American lying traitors, with no patriotism and no shame. You simply have un American values. You're just not one of us. You are a dnager and a threat and we will take all lawful peaceful means to protect ourselves thru voting, organizing, speaking out and mainly calling you on your unpatriotic Un American bullshit.

Like trying to say recruiting white cops to harass black voters is okay.

And that Palin? she said on the plane that the campaign was awearin' and atearin' on her. Pls. spend more time with her and teach her who to speak standard American English. Her Alas-can-do dialect is fine but when representing the natio we want someone more educated.

she's as bad as that Joe the plumber idiot who thinks he takes home less making $251,000 if he buys the business than if he makes $249,999 if he buys the business under Obama's tax policy.
He and McCain and all of you are just a bunch of disgusting liars.

Thank you.

Unity, with all who share American values of equality, truth and justice only,

Posted by PC | October 18, 2008 12:24 PM
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Apparently this is just the tip of the iceberg of this woman's crazy.

Read more here, which also provides a link to donate to her opponent:
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/10/anti-american/comments/page/2/#comments

Posted by Phoebe | October 18, 2008 12:35 PM
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worth mentioning is that Obama drew a crowd of 100K people in St. Louis this morning. That's not a typo; ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE in SAINT LOUIS, MISSOURI

Posted by Just Sayin | October 18, 2008 12:38 PM
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Posted by Phoebe | October 18, 2008 12:39 PM
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seajay, if you don't know voter intimidation when you see it, then what kind of credibility do you really expect to have here? you don't impress.

Posted by ellarosa | October 18, 2008 1:12 PM
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One way to stop all the political robo-calls - which can't be blocked or stopped - is to vote now.

If you drop off your absentee ballot at the drop box locations, or mail it in, within a few days all the robo-calls will stop.

Because they know you voted (but don't know how you voted).

Posted by Will in Seattle | October 18, 2008 1:25 PM
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I am a woman with strong opinions. And I have been told I can have a commanding presence. I don’t back down easily. Even still, there have been times when I have back down to Obots or denied my support of the McCain/ Palin ticket. I have always felt a stinging guilt or cowardice- like waiting for the cock to crow. I can’t wait to get into the privacy of the voting booth and exorcize those feelings. If it can't be Hillary, it will be McCain Palin and you can't make me change my mind (but I like that you try).

Posted by Tuppence 411 | October 18, 2008 2:24 PM
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Dear God, that woman looks like a hybrid of Katherine Harris and Ann Coulter.

@26,

Good for you. You're still an idiot.

Posted by keshmeshi | October 18, 2008 2:39 PM
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good show, you feminist you! now if we can just pick up 50 random women off the streets to put into the senate, sexism will be over!

In the case that it's not solely the gender thing warping your mind, I apologize. However, in that case it's either the race thing; or it's some unfathomably petty difference you see between HRC and BHO's politics. Both of these classify you as (c. 27's comment) an idiot.

Posted by rococo | October 18, 2008 2:49 PM
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Dear Tuppence: when you publicly advocate an idiotic political idea, you can expect that reasonable people will call you out on it. Learn to argue better or get used to the ridicule. Or maybe, just maybe, consider why so many people disagree with you.

Posted by Greg | October 18, 2008 2:51 PM
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Michelle Bachman is such a fucking chode. I, too, as a Minnesotan, feel ashamed of my state. I hope the ghost of Paul Wellstone gives her a rash.

You can call her and tell her so!

# Washington Office

* 412 Cannon HOB
* Washington, DC 20515
* Phone: (202) 225-2331
* Fax: (202) 225-6475

# Woodbury Office

* 6043 Hudson Rd, Suite 330
* Woodbury, MN 55125
* Phone: 651-731-5400
* Fax: 651-731-6650

# St. Cloud/Waite Park Office

* 110 2nd Street S, Suite 232
* Waite Park, MN 56387
* Phone: 320-253-5931
* Fax: 320-240-6905

Posted by Ariel | October 18, 2008 3:50 PM
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Don't bother with the "Censure Bachman" petition... just help get her voted out of office. Her opponent has a funny name (Elwyn Tinklenberg), but he's a good solid guy. I just donated to his campaign through ActBlue. You should too if you think Michelle Bachmann is an embarrassment to the country.

Posted by Jakey | October 18, 2008 4:01 PM
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these wretched idiots have run the country for 8 years--for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS...god almighty, its intolerable. how have we survived? honestly? there MUST be a god.

Posted by adrian | October 18, 2008 4:18 PM
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The problem with this old Republican way of doing things is that a large portion of AMerica not only does not fully grasp their way of thinking, but is actually hostile to it. In the past, people may have disagreed with Republicans but they still felt a bond with them as fellow Americans. That is not the case in this day and age. A large number of people see the Republican party as an enemy and are hostile towards them. This is due to Bush's divisive propaganda campaign for 8 years. If this type of propaganda continues with Mccain and Palin getting to power we will see a breakdown in the economy. People will stop spending as much on non essential items and cutting down on many items. This will crash the economy. Seriously, if Mccain wins, I will put a lock on my wallet and I figure a lot of other people who are not "real Americans" will do the same.

Posted by Troll | October 18, 2008 5:02 PM
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Tinklenberg has raised almost $500,000. Bachmann is on her way out and good fucking riddance.

Posted by keshmeshi | October 18, 2008 7:04 PM
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You idiot left wing lunatics are so deranged. The DEMS caused Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Now the country is in hell. The DEM Congress, with possibly the stupidest woman on the planet Pelosi, has a 9% approval rating. In 2 years of Dem control this country has swirled down the bowl. Now you have a CRIMINAL, racist, unethical, unqualified, lying, cheating, idiotic Dem candidate on your ticket. Do you morons REALLY think he's going to win? Over America's dead body, which is what you America hating pieces of crap want. Decent Americans are going to hand you socialist freaks your azz on November 4. If you all hate America so much, hey, move to frigging CUBA. This is AMERICA you losers. Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright, Frank Davis, Khalid Al Monsour, Rashad Khalidi, Farakhaan, Rezko, ACORN and all of the FILTH that Osama Biden Laden is will be coming home to roost soon. Live with it or MOVE scum.

Posted by nancyjoe | October 18, 2008 7:34 PM
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@26:

I am fascinated by this notion you seem to hold that, because Hillary didn't get the Democratic nomination, you are going to spite everyone else by begrudgingly voting in a manner you freely admit makes you feel guilt and cowardice.

Is it some form of political Stockholm Syndrome or something? After eight years under a Republican president (and with a GOP majority in Congress for six of them) who has all but flushed this country down the toilet: economically, politically, militarily, and culturally; you're going to continue debasing yourself by voting for ANOTHER Republican who has all but sworn on a stack of bibles to do EXACTLY THE SAME THING?

I simply cannot fathom why ANY human being would knowingly, and willingly vote against their own best interests. I know they do, I just don't get it.

Posted by COMTE | October 18, 2008 8:11 PM
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nancyjoe
**APPLAUSE**
**APPLAUSE**
**APPLAUSE**

Seriously people, I've never completely identified with either party but this whole financial fiasco is almost entirely the DEM's fault. For the past six years or so Dodds, Franks, and the bulk of their party have been covering Freddie & Fannies 'fannies', and taking big dough to do so. Believe it or not, the Republicans have been trying like hell to stop this very thing from happening - Greenspan, Bush, McCaine - they've all warned against it, but to no avail.

And Mr. Obama (former member of the Democratic socialists of America) is unquestionably a marxist.

Posted by tony | October 18, 2008 8:27 PM
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I would like to state my case against voting for Obama.

Please, before anyone goes crazy accusing me of being a Republican, right-winger, racist, or whatever you should know I don’t identify with any party completely. I vote for candidates based on who I think will be best given the circumstances. In 2004 I voted for John Kerry (mainly because he wasn’t Bush) & in 2000 I voted for Ralph Nader – not that I thought he had a chance in hell, but how can we moan about ‘no third party’ if we never show our support at the polls? Truth is I actually DID like Obama at the beginning of the primaries – and between him, Hillary, and McCain (whom I have always liked as a moderate Republican) I thought “wow – finally an election I don’t feel bad about.” And “No matter who wins, we’ll be ok”.

Oh how the times have changed…

First and foremost, I do not and have never made decisions about other people based on something as asinine as the color of their skin. I grew up on military installations and have always been surrounded by wide varieties of people. They’ve been my friends, neighbors, co-workers, bosses, teammates, and classmates. I’ve had the privilege to meet many good and interesting people from many backgrounds.

But where do we start with Obama?
One word – CHARACTER. Something my mother has told me from the time I was little was that ‘a person is judged by the company they keep’. Forget about personal entanglements with such characters as ex-terrorists (William Ayers), Radicals (Democratic Socialists of America), Racists (Rev. Jeramiah Wright, Phledger), and convicted felons (Tony Rezko) - just looking past them at his campaign staff one is hard pressed to find anyone who isn't at least guilty of a white-collar crime.

What does this say about Obama the individual? I keep hearing terms like “acquaintances”, “chance encounters”, and “briefly worked with”. Are we to believe that this mans entire political career is just one big chance encounter after another – a series of unintentional brushes and associations? Decades of contacts with very questionable people (far more than listed here) are played down or not even discussed. I have a brother-in-law who has a job that requires that he have a security clearance. Do you know that if he had any kind of associations with the types of individuals listed above his security clearance would be revoked? If Obama was in law enforcement, even the insinuation of even a brief association with any such individuals would cost him his job. This is being played down by the media, when it is actually quite pivotal in our understanding of who Mr. Obama actually is.

But more importantly – who will he surround himself with once in office (assuming he wins). If these are the types of people in his corner now, what sort of individuals will he appoint to his cabinet – what others will he appoint to various key positions throughout the government? Rains (ex-CEO of Fannie Mae) is an adviser on his campaign staff – and is quite literally at the epicenter of the origins of the financial crises they are now feeling in Europe. Can you imagine him being appointed the new Secretary of the Treasury? Can you imagine the long-term damage that could be done by someone who has proven himself to be so irresponsible?

My feelings: TODAY WE SPECULATE ON GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION, TOMORROW THERE WILL BE NO DOUBT.

Another Major concern was Senator Obamas actions while visiting Iraq. It was Reported in the Washington Post that Obama engaged the Iraqi Prime minister on the status of forces agreement (SOFA) and wanted them to hold off on its discussion, even going so far as to suggest the current administration should be left out. According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Its important to understand that by starting this line of talk, Obama had strayed into the realm of international diplomacy – something he was not qualified for by any standards of either the US or the UN. While his Campaign staff downplayed the importance of it, they did admit that such conversations did take place.

So what does this Mean?
The simple fact that he brought up such lines of conversation (regardless of the extent) puts him in violation of the Logan Act – which brings a hefty fine, as well as 3 yrs of federal prison and the loss of his Senate seat. But the devil is in the details here: Depending on the depth and detail of this conversation he may well have committed an act of treason. If the Washington Post article, as well as the Iraqi Foreign Minister are to be believed – Obama specifically and directly tried to interfere with the discussion of military arrangements between the US and Iraq. What it comes down to is Mr. Obama – a sitting Senator of the US, may have attempted to undermine US foreign policy during a war. That, my friends, is treason…

There is also the pressing question of his citizenship. Right now in Pennsylvania in the case of “Berg vs. Obama” courts are waiting for the Senator form Illinois to present his Birth Certificate and end all doubts. This isn’t an unrealistic task – you can’t even register your child for pre-school without their birth certificate, and there are many jobs that require a copy of your college transcripts (also mysteriously sealed), but listening to the Obama camp this is an outrageous request, bordering on blatant racism (according to some – I think its perfectly reasonable). He could end it all by showing it and proving that he was in fact, born in Hawaii. But he refuses, and his defense continues to file motions and run stall tactics. They even tried to have it thrown out, but the judge over-ruled and has asked him to hand over his vault certificate. He has yet to comply…

Why does this matter?
Some try to dismiss this as a mere technicality. It is – but it’s the mother of all technicalities! There’s a reason you must be a citizen to be the POTUS: we don’t want someone with split loyalties or conflicting international interests at the helm! If not a US citizen, he may still be a Kenyan – or more likely, he may be Indonesian. There is especially strong evidence for him being an Indonesian, as he was adopted by his step-father in Indonesia and his mother became a citizen as well, renouncing her US citizenship. Obama was a minor at the time (5 yrs old), so his citizenship would have transferred through his mother making him Indonesian as well. It is also known that he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian Visa as an Adult in the US. Anyone familiar with visa’s knows they are issued through the country of you’re citizenship. This would mean that even as an adult attending Columbia University in New York, he was an Indonesian Citizen – and unless he has gone through emigration since then he is still one today (making him an illegal alien, and incapable of holding his senate seat). Even if he has gone through emigration, he would be considered “naturalized” and not “natural born”. The major difference is that a “natural born” citizen knows no other national loyalty except that of his country. “Naturalized” is someone who becomes a citizen, but has origins else ware, and may have conflicting loyalties on different levels. This is why the constitution states that only a natural born citizen may be the president. Bottom line: Unless Senator Obama produces a legitimate Vault Certificate to the judge showing that he was born in Hawaii, and unless they can prove that he has never been a citizen of Indonesia, he doesn’t meet the requirements to be president of the US.

You might disagree with this point, but honestly – do you think, for instance, the people of the UK would want someone who was and ex-patriot from France or Spain replacing Gordon Brown? I’m sure many would question their true loyalties.

For me, it all comes down to many unanswered questions about the man who may very well be leading my country. These are legitimate concerns about very real issues and inconsistencies with a major candidate that should be addressed immediately. Many are swept up in the idea of an AA being president, but in this excitement legitimate criticism is being swept away and even suppressed. Whenever a question is raised the response more often then not is “racism”, but Senator Obama’s camp is not being held to the same standards. In a recent Article from African Press International, Michele Obama accuses API (the ones doing the interview) of “colluding with American internet bloggers in an effort to bring down her husband,” Mrs Obama said she decided to call API because of what she termed, “API’s help to spread rumors created by American bloggers and other racist media outlets in their efforts to damage a black man’s name,” saying she “hopes African Media was mature enough to be in the front to give unwavering support to her husband, a man Africans should identify themselves with.”

Why? All because they dared to ask a few simple questions. The article is filled with derogatory comments toward whites from Michele Obama (API Article) , but where is the outcry from the media?
Their silence is deafening.

And that has been the frustration of this campaign – one side is skewered for “racism” whenever they question their opponent, and the other is given the benefit of the doubt on virtually everything. As one blogger said after Palin was announced as McCains VP (and the ensuing firestorm of criticism) “We know more about Sarah Palin in two weeks than we know about Barak Obama in two years.”

If there is one thing this election cycle has taught us, its that investigative journalism is truly dead and that there is a clear, powerful media bias to the left. Not in all of it (and there is some that lean to the right), but enough that will turn a blind eye to a popular Democratic candidate. Every day they don’t report on these serious issues they loose credibility. It is truly despicable what they have done, and it has not gone unnoticed.

It is also commonly excepted that if Mr. Obama loses, it will all come down to simple white bigotry. I would like to point out that any one of the above issues would be enough to laugh any other candidate of any other race right out of the running and possibly into prison. The fact that he has all of this and is actually ahead in the polls is simply mind-boggling. I would also like to point out that the polls are inherently flawed, as they focus more on Urban communities like big cities(inherently left-leaning) and less on rural, small town communities – which actually makes up the bulk of the population.

At this time in 2004, John Kerry was ahead of Bush by 10 points. Of course we know it wasn’t even close on election day, and Bush (unfortunately) won easily. Was that down to racism as well? Obviously not – but what it did reflect was the mistake of ignoring such a large bulk of the nation.


This is what I feel about the current election. It is not done out of malice, but in an effort to address real concerns at a pivotal time in my countries existence. We are weaker now than we have ever been since the civil war, and many in government are likely to go along with just about anything to stop the hemorrhaging. I believe whoever wins this election will be pivotal in re-defining America and how the government itself operates.

This is why I cannot in good conscious vote for Obama.

Posted by tony | October 18, 2008 8:32 PM
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Jesus Christ, they all come out at night.

Posted by Me | October 18, 2008 9:53 PM
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I almost want to respond to 38. Luckily, I have better things to do with my time than do a point by point of the least coherent pages-long comment I've seen so far this year. Like pick my nose and eat it.

Posted by rococo | October 19, 2008 10:12 AM
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@38: So are you voting for McCain or just abstaining? Your screed didn't really sugest any sort of good alternative.

Posted by Dawgson | October 19, 2008 3:48 PM
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@24: How about this for fairness that might impress ...? Let's say Democrats are put charge of hiring the Republican poll watchers, then.

Of course, actual fairness would then dictate that Republicans also get to hire the Democrat poll watchers.

Or better yet, just do away with poll watchers altogether. The very idea of poll-watching is, after all, intimidation right there. People should be free to stuff ballot boxes in peace, don't ya think? And let the best stuffers win.

Posted by Seajay | October 19, 2008 9:30 PM
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i was just noticing that no one had actually addressed "tony"s comment.

for what its worth...

obama's addressed all of these connections already.

some lesser known things:

the Tony Rezko thing? he has already apologized for it. it was a property buying thing that happened years ago. stupid, but hardly important now.

Rains, from Fannie Mae? that "connection" is derived from a casual remark Rains made at a photo shoot about speaking with obamas people on the phone. since then both parties have repeatedly denied any connection at all, and there is no evidence of any.

The SOFA accusation has been flatly denied:

in addition to Obama and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, this July meeting was also attended by Bush administration officials such as U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker and the Baghdad embassy’s Legislative Affairs advisor Rich Haughton, as well as a Republican senator, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. Attendees of the meeting back Obama’s account, including not just Sen. Jack Reed, D-RI, but Hagel, Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers from both parties. Officials of the Bush administration who were briefed on the meeting by the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad also support Obama’s account and dispute the Post story and McCain attack. The Post story is ‘absolutely not true,’ Hagel spokesman Mike Buttry told ABC News.


and his fucking birth certificate can be seen on fightthesmears.com. it shows that he's born in the states.


how come no one jumped on this? are obama supporters really so blindly in love with the candidate that they are this ignorant on all of these attacks?

wake the fuck up, read up, and start DEFENDING this guy you are all rilled up about.

Posted by Dave | October 20, 2008 1:41 AM
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@43: Forgive me, but I was of the opinion that Tony's assertions were so patently ridiculous as to not deserve a response.

Posted by Greg | October 20, 2008 1:14 PM

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