Slog - Comments on Say it Ain't So, Joe! http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe Poor Joe the Plumber. Not only is Obama out to wreck his hypothetical small business, but Joe also lacks a plumber's license, has a questionable voter registration, and is facing a tax lien against his home. Can't a hard-working American catch a break on the day he gets to hold his own news conference?... Copyright 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:15:28 -0800 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:20:49 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Jeremy from Seattle If McCain were to get into office the government would eat poor Joe alive.

]]> Jeremy from Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176308 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176308 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:19:52 -0800 Comment by elenchos Republicans are all about woulda coulda shoulda. "Oh, I WOULD go out and become a big shot business owner and create all kinds of jobs, but I'm afraid of going into a higher tax bracket. I could be somebody, but I worry about the SOCIALISM!" Such whiners. Such a stream of excuses.

Is anything ever your own fault when you're a Republican?

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176317 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176317 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:23:56 -0800 Comment by max solomon joe, my good buddy, HA!

plus, should he hypothetically make over 250K, his taxes would increase $30/$1000.

thirty bucks. that's just dinner for 2 @ cracker barrel, you stupid buckeye fuck.

]]> max solomon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176325 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176325 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:26:28 -0800 Comment by whatevernevermind And I thought it was enough that he wanted to grab what he could and keep it for himself while expecting others to pay for a war, a military occupation, record debt and generally keeping the country alive and kicking.

But these new facts really add to his credentials as a Republican!

]]> whatevernevermind http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176330 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176330 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:29:59 -0800 Comment by Erik Funny thing: "Joe the Plumber" and "Obama kisses white woman" (see earlier Slog post) happened on the same day and just a few feet apart, according to my friend who was there (and is the kissee's husband). Will all our election memes come from the same neighborhood in Toledo?

]]> Erik http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176338 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176338 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:31:39 -0800 Comment by Andy Niable Holy Jeebus, if the McCainanites can't vet a VP candidate or a debate gimmick, what kind of judges and cabinet officials would they offer us?

Heckuva job, McCranky.

]]> Andy Niable http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176345 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176345 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:33:59 -0800 Comment by Mac So that brings the press conference to:

Joe the Plumber: 1
Sarah Palin: 0

]]> Mac http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176359 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176359 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:39:09 -0800 Comment by lostboy If you happen to RtFA, Joe doesn't need a plumber's license as a plumber's employee, and the only thing "questionable" about his voter registration is a typo (Worzelbacher vs. Wurzelbacher).  The tax lien is the only valid point of criticism here.

McCain openly disses health-of-the-mother exceptions, still believes in trickle down, lacks integrity, and is willing to risk a Palin presidency for short term political benefit.  That should be plenty to work with without smearing Joe the Plumber.

]]> lostboy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176362 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176362 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:40:54 -0800 Comment by AJ Manchurian Plumber.

He is activated by the King of Hearts, Barack Obama.

]]> AJ http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176366 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176366 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:44:11 -0800 Comment by Dylan! From Martin Eisenstadt's blog:

"Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years."

]]> Dylan! http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176367 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176367 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:44:24 -0800 Comment by Carollani I don't care about Joe the Plumber. I didn't care about him during the debate, and I don't care about him today in the wake of the debate. Joe the Plumber should pull up his pants and get back to work.

]]> Carollani http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176369 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176369 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:44:59 -0800 Comment by max solomon is everyone else getting tired of the shaved-head-with-a-goatee look?

]]> max solomon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176370 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176370 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:45:29 -0800 Comment by daniel Obama really shouldn't have said "spread the wealth around". That's not a framing that anyone appreciates. Maybe something equally vapid about everyone having to pay a share.

]]> daniel http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176384 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176384 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:49:45 -0800 Comment by Julie in Chicago @7. and the funny thing is, Joe the Plumber did a pretty good job with this press conference. He was probably more articulate than Palin would have been.

]]> Julie in Chicago http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176385 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176385 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:50:25 -0800 Comment by lostboy Julie @14, I was pretty impressed with the press conference, right up until 2:09 when he finally takes the bait and launches into a wingnut manifesto.  He had seemed surprisingly rational up to that point.

]]> lostboy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176402 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176402 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:56:16 -0800 Comment by ReverendZ I don't know why, but everytime I see this guy he reminds me of Woody Harrelson's character of Sgt. Schumann in 'Wag The Dog' - anyone else get that vibe?

]]> ReverendZ http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176406 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176406 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:58:24 -0800 Comment by John Bailo
What "Joe" really does, as anyone who has read "Grand New Party" understands, is expose the fact that for many "working class" people...well, they are actually well to do.

Hardworking craftspeople and laborers can bring in 6 figure incomes. Families with dads, moms, sons and daughters in small businesses as well.

Going on about taxing people in these brackets doesn't sit well with these people who will vote for Palin.

]]> John Bailo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176407 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176407 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:58:25 -0800 Comment by Jim Demetre This guy is Jeff Gannon, right? He's just put on a few pounds.

]]> Jim Demetre http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176439 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176439 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:13:03 -0800 Comment by ivan Bailo @ 17:

So maybe Joe makes six figures. So what? If he makes $100K, under Obama's plan he doesn't pay additional taxes. If he makes $150K, he doesn't pay additional taxes. If he makes $200K, he doesn't pay additional taxes. Only if he makes $250K or over -- and that's taxable income, not gross -- does he begin to pay additional taxes.

And so what if he does? Will his dick fall off or something? Did your precious little Georgie Boy worry about that when he started this obscene war?

We're about to flush you fucking conservatives down the shitter, Bailo. How long can you tread water?

]]> ivan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176452 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176452 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:22:22 -0800 Comment by Fnarf I have a very powerful toilet, Ivan. He's not going to be able to tread water; he's going to have to hold his breath. And try not to touch anything solid on the way down.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176472 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176472 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:30:50 -0800 Comment by John Bailo @19:

Couldn't you just have stopped after your first paragraph?

]]> John Bailo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176485 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176485 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:39:06 -0800 Comment by thelyamhound @12 - Look, man, some of us are BALD, okay? And my wife likes the goatee.

]]> thelyamhound http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176521 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176521 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:01:44 -0800 Comment by Bauhaus Obviously, he's drunk the Kool-Aid.

]]> Bauhaus http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176589 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176589 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:48:44 -0800 Comment by Sargon Bighorn He's not sorry for the illegal activity on the part of his government? For the killing of the innocents? For the supporting of tyrants? Well that's telling innit?

]]> Sargon Bighorn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176661 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176661 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:37:45 -0800 Comment by Dougsf How the hell is "Joe the Plumber" the symbol of lowest common denominator American undecideds? $650 for an hours work and $40 of pipe? We should be asking unemployed "Joe Banker" and "Joe Designer" the tough questions.

]]> Dougsf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176724 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176724 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:10:49 -0800 Comment by 4f...sake give me a fucking break. the monkey wrench on his shirt is RED

]]> 4f...sake http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176863 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176863 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:28:06 -0800 Comment by savedbyOBL All hail Obama. Our saviour. Our God. Death to he who questions the great one. Death!

]]> savedbyOBL http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176978 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1176978 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:27:15 -0800 Comment by gk
A LOT of people think like this.


Keep that in mind.

]]> gk http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1177076 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1177076 2008 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:38:23 -0800 Comment by karen Joe the Plumber is gunning for an acting gig. He's pretty modest and first thing that comes to his mind is Matt Damon. I'm pretty sure, @8, if he's a "plumber's employee" then he's not a business owner and won't be making that magical $250,000.

And regardless, any subcontractor, independent, employed in any way kind of person who is making that kind of money NET (not gross) should be in a higher tax bracket. I don't care if you knit booties until your fingers are stumps.

]]> karen http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1177313 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1177313 2008 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:37:50 -0800 Comment by Gloria Boy, you Obama supporters really show your immaturity. Leave Joe the Plumber alone, he has enough problems.

It's really very strange to me how you Attack anyone who disagrees with Obama. You sound like little children fighting over a toy. A reminder, Joe the Plumber was at an Obama Rally and merely asked a question of Obama.

He does have a plumber's license, that's a fact and he does have a $1200 tax lien on his home. What crime has he committed. Are you Obamba supporters all pure. Simple I will agree with, BUT PURE?????????????

He has not supported either candidate. At least get your facts straight before you start running off at the mouth.

]]> Gloria http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1177410 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1177410 2008 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:07:21 -0800 Comment by mary Most of these people sound like Matt Damon and Pamela
Anderson. No apparent intellect.

]]> mary http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1177875 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1177875 2008 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:06:10 -0800 Comment by Dee I LOVE Matt Damon

]]> Dee http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1178038 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/say_it_aint_so_joe#c1178038 2008 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:20:49 -0800