Slog - Comments on Savage Love Letter of the Day

Comment by Mr. Poe

Mr. Poe — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:07:43 -0800

I think I dated this guy.

Comment by J

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:12:45 -0800

The all caps rant. Always insightful, endless depths of subtlety and nuance, never out of style.

Comment by catnextdoor

catnextdoor — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:15:05 -0800

I think reading that kicked my hangover!

Comment by Mr. Poe

Mr. Poe — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:15:10 -0800

I think I dated this guy.

Comment by Bellevue Ave

Bellevue Ave — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:45:00 -0800

Date Think I This Guy I

Comment by AJ

AJ — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:58:52 -0800

WHAT ISN'T THIS HOW ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE TALKING NOWADAYS

Comment by Greg

Greg — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:05:54 -0800

You stay classy, guy.

Comment by PopTart

PopTart — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:06:16 -0800

@5 Guy This Date I Think I

Donate now I must.

Comment by flamingbanjo

flamingbanjo — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:08:50 -0800

Using all caps for emphasis is losing its effect on me. There needs to be a way to make letters even more capital.

Comment by saxfanatic

saxfanatic — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:20:02 -0800

Dan, would this be from one of your readers who donated big?

Comment by keshmeshi

keshmeshi — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:52:02 -0800

It's not going to pass. End of story.

Comment by D-503

D-503 — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:02:34 -0800

I think it's sensible to conclude that this is actually a letter from a longtime fan who, longing for the halcyon days of "Hey Faggot," is proposing "Hey Degenerate Scumbag" as the new default form of address for Savage Love letters.

Comment by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me

You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:03:15 -0800

@11

I hope you're right, but there is reason for concern. Obama is expected to being out huge numbers of black voters in California. Black voters are disturbingly hostile to gay rights.

Comment by ouch

ouch — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:07:00 -0800

Blacks just want to remain the victims of the country. That way they can continue to deal drugs, steal cars, and then freak out over having to mark YES for a felony on their Mcdonalds application.

Comment by Sargon Bighorn

Sargon Bighorn — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:07:02 -0800

The writer of the letter, although full of Zeal and vitriol, is wrong. See how little people know what they're voting for. The citizens of CA did not vote to amend their constitution banning civil marriage equality, they voted to change the Family Law code of the state banning civil marriage equality. The CA Supreme Court found the law unconstitutional, hence the current stand off.

Dear Writer, Mr. Savage is very busy these days being Sarah Palin's Gay friend, please do some fact checking before you waste time with him.

Comment by Ayden/VA

Ayden/VA — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:19:26 -0800

Advise him that his rant had the opposite effect on some of us.

Just made a donation to No On Prop 8.

In honor of Dan Savage.

Comment by Vince

Vince — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:25:02 -0800

Hurray for degenerate scumbags. At least they aren't religious scumbags.

Comment by d

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:34:06 -0800

This guy just inspired me to make my fourth donation to No On Prop 8. Thanks for the inspiration, you dumb fuck!

Comment by Julie in Chicago

Julie in Chicago — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:43:26 -0800

I'm wondering if that was really from someone who is for Prop 8 or if it was from some kind of crazy meta-troll...

Comment by Mike in Renton

Mike in Renton — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:13:00 -0800

Hopefully some of that money will have an influence in Arizona so theirs will fail again as well.

Comment by keshmeshi

keshmeshi — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:15:30 -0800

@13,

No, there isn't. Prop 8 is already losing. Those propositions need to poll 60-40 in favor ahead of the election to have any chance of passing. It will not pass.

Comment by patrick

patrick — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:22:36 -0800

How can it can be already losing thirty days before the election?

Let's hope those 60 percent get off their lazy asses and vote one month from today or all of your polls won't make one bit of difference.

Don't get too comfortable. The Yes on 8 people hate us. The non homo NO on 8 people are overconfident, unreliable, and ambivalent at best.

Comment by LMSW

LMSW — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:36:46 -0800

Apparently the letter writer feels quite threatened by a national outpouring of support against 8. Ah, the sweet taste of schadenfreude.

Comment by reverend dr dj riz

reverend dr dj riz — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:11:34 -0800

#13 ygbkm
' black voters are disturbingly hostile to gay rights'..really ?.. not just black people mind you, but black voters ?
well now here is a new fear (.. no no you mean 'concern' ) of obama i haven't heard before. and this based on presumption that all them black voters are gonna happen to vote yes on prop 8 while they are voting for obama.
you have proof of this where?..i'm sure there are swarths of black voters who are hostile to gay causes as there are white voters ?. but nobody should be any more or less afraid of them then anyone else. maybe you're confusing the black vote with the black evangelical vote.but even in that instance the amount of vocal hostility from black church leaders masks that fact the black church is chock full to the rafters of black gays.it's been this way for decades,since before the civil rights struggle. the black church was haven and sanctuary full to bursting with them. many of them are closeted, shamefully so, but nobody knows their politics because they don't really exist.
if you know black people, you would know this.
there is no need to be any more concerned in this regard than you would about white voters.

Comment by Will in 98103

Will in 98103 — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:20:40 -0800

Thank you Riz. I miss your voice in The Stranger.

Comment by California

California — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:16:28 -0800

As compelling an argument as the letter's author makes (ALL CAPS, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!!), I'm unpersuaded. Actually, I'm looking forward to voting no that much more.

Comment by cameron

cameron — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:45:57 -0800

this makes me slightly ashamed to be a californian... but then i remember that i'm a californian who is voting NO on prop 8, and i'm really just ashamed that this d-bag lives in the same state as me.

Comment by Madge

Madge — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:57:31 -0800

So sayeth he of the giant butt plug- hidden in the back of the closet along with all that "fisting" gay porn...

Comment by Lord Basil

Lord Basil — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:10:25 -0800

Gay marriage will be the beginning of the end of this great country.

First comes a Muslim Marxist homosexual traitor elected president. Then comes the destruction of Christian values that quashes ingenuity and hard work. Then comes an even greater influx of illegal immigrants to water down our culture. then comes the acceptance and promotion of abortion, homosexuality, and pot smoking. Then finally come thye Islamo Fascists who will force the dity Muslim religion on us on pain of death.

We must fight hafrd for the traditions that made this country great, and that is why I am a hard traditionalist.

I just gave 100 dollars to the Yes on 8 campaign, as all loyal Americans should.

Comment by ferretrick

ferretrick — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:44:45 -0800

Lord Basil is such a faggy name.

Comment by Madashell

Madashell — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:21:15 -0800

I made a modest donation (wish I could afford more) to the No on Prop 8 Campaign with a nod to Dan, and to my late brother Bob (1954-1995). He and his partner were together for 17 years. I'd had some in-depth conversations with him about this issue. He was a pubic hair's width away from having become ordained, so my brother's perspective of gay marriage was from a perspective of ambivalence. He felt that marriage as represented throughout history was less of the romantic concept and more one of subjugation of a a person (the wife). He was quite comfortable in his life having things as they were, but I have to say, times were shitty and complicated in my brother's last days. The healthcare providers were turning to my dad for decisions rather than my brother's partner. Thankfully we embraced my brother's partner and the relationship he had with my brother, and did what we could to thin the barriers that were there.
I am certain that if my brother were alive today, he would be supporting No on 8. In the 13 years since his passing, some things have changed, I think.

Comment by ellarosa

ellarosa — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:22:20 -0800

ferretrick@30, i know, isn't it!? i can't help but imagine oscar wilde in the computer age having a bit of fun with us here. if that were possible.

Comment by Leslie N.

Leslie N. — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:57:31 -0800

@32 I wish someone would resurrect Oscar Wilde and put him on the Slog comment boards in between writing modern satire.

Comment by Shootingsparks

Shootingsparks — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:12:02 -0800

Why are we talking about California Gay-centric politics? What about whats going on here at home? I would love to see a story about the PUD funding opposition to Island County proposition 1, local ownership of our electric energy supply, and the barrage of cable advertising they have been paying for to keep energy under control of the mafia instead of the people....

Comment by Shootingsparks

Shootingsparks — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:23:26 -0800

wow, just read thru some of the obscene BS propaganda posted here...naughty naughty Jews...

Posted by ouch | October 4, 2008 1:07 PM

"Blacks just want to remain the victims of the country. That way they can continue to deal drugs, steal cars, and then freak out over having to mark YES for a felony on their Mcdonalds application."

Posted by Lord Basil | October 4, 2008 7:10 PM

"Gay marriage will be the beginning of the end of this great country.

Naughty lying Talmudic Zionist propagandist asshats...
A transparent attempt to trick idiots in to voting for the 'Israel first' ticket of McNasty/Payola

shame on you

Comment by clarity

clarity — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:09:50 -0800

@14 fuck you

Comment by 4f...sake

4f...sake — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:19:08 -0800

How can people with so much fear walk upright? I mean seriously, wtf? Why can't people just fucking support each other?
I'm going to donate again.

Comment by RainMan

RainMan — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:45:22 -0800

@31: Sorry about your brother. I also have a gay brother in California who fortunately is healthy (for now at least--I really wish he would listen to my lectures about why he should quit smoking, but that's another issue). He and his partner have been together for six years and my family, even my Republican sister and evangelical mother, support their relationship. They have not gotten married yet--I think they are waiting to see how Prop 8 goes.

I think things have changed since the mid-90s. This was before Vermont passed the country's first civil union legislation. I remember the outrage from the fundies and other bigots even at this. Today civil unions are considered the middle-of-the-road position, a weak compromise for politicians who are probably gay friendly but would lose votes by saying so. Today two states allow full marriage equality, several others have civil unions, and still more, like Washington, have some protections for same sex couples on the books. And the sky hasn't fallen in. There is still a lot of work to be done, but those of us who favor full marriage equality have good reason to be optimistic.

Comment by Karey

Karey — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:53:52 -0800

@34 Because california's gay politics are going to impact the direction the rest of the country takes on it. With cali being a state that allows marriages of people from other states, there will be avalanches of people going back to their home states and then challenging the DOMA in court, hopefully rendering it meaningless if individual states just agree to recognize their own people's gay marriages anyway.

Comment by Vince

Vince — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:40:11 -0800

Lord Basil is a simple minded paranoid. If he looked around he'd see the greatest damage done to this country has been by people like himself and G.W. Bush. He should be pitied.