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"Turns out Ed did do it...."

says the police...who managed to do one heckuva forensics study (in record time).

case closed.

Posted by cochise. | October 29, 2008 1:12 PM
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cochise, do you and elenchos send emails back and forth or do you like trolling for conspiracy theories?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 1:22 PM
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So, it's "cool with you" that he set the fire. Even though it injured a fireman and could very well have injured/killed someone else? Um. Okay. It was "his building as much as anyone else's"? That's your logic? If so, then anybody could have walked up and started that fire. Hell, it's their place, right? Oh, but they're a "bastard," because...

Josh, you are fucking dumb. Kill yourself.

Posted by Mr. Poe | October 29, 2008 1:44 PM
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I'm with Poe on this one. Fuck whoever started that fire. Terrified the shit out of me and could have burned down my building. I feel sorry for the old guy, but don't put other people at risk.

Posted by Abby | October 29, 2008 1:59 PM
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dude, if the fire spread to abby's building I know at least 4 people that would be celebrating new orleans style.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 2:01 PM
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Josh, you're an idiot.

I'm sad that old Ed couldn't deal with things, and I'm sorry he offed himself.

But fuck. He's an ass for starting the building on fire. What if someone else was in the building too? What if other firefighters or EMTs had been injured or killed trying to "rescue" him? What if the fire had spread to other buildings nearby? It isn't like that is the most densely populated part of the city or anything.

What a douche.

Posted by Reverse Polarity | October 29, 2008 2:02 PM
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Fireman have dangerous jobs. People who set deliberate fires are the worst. If you want to exit this earth, do it without harming others.

Posted by Vince | October 29, 2008 2:02 PM
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I tried.

Posted by The fire. | October 29, 2008 2:02 PM
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@2 You don't understand. Ed Jackson was clearly UnCola. You are a proven Cola.

(ps, im not suggesting someone else did it, im SAYING someone else did it. condo developers are evil (fact) never doublecross them, NEVER!)

Posted by cochise. | October 29, 2008 2:08 PM
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Ed Jackson sounds like a beautiful person, according to all who knew him. Could he really have been capable of such a thing? He loved that building, and he loved all his shit in his apartment. I bet he even loved firemen. Who doesn't love firemen? Firemen are the fucking bomb. Yet all of a sudden, for no reason, Ed flips out and goes against everything he stood for?

He was offered relocation assistance, including cash, the use of a truck, and five laborers to move all his shit. He had options. Yet you believe he was at a dead end?

Oh, but don't think about that. Instead think up flames to post attacking the few with a clear vision and the courage to tell you the truth of things. Flame away, kids. Flame away...

Posted by elenchos | October 29, 2008 2:12 PM
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89 years old - still moving - still fighting

my kind of family

but the fire was not a good idea - but - maybe he was killed point blank, robbed, and someone else set the fire to cover?? Perhaps a very young lover/hustler boy??

Ed was an old fag...so the story goes.

Posted by HENRY | October 29, 2008 2:16 PM
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This sounds like a clear endorsement of voting yes on prop 1000.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 2:17 PM
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or I 1000 rather.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 2:21 PM
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I hope Dick Wolf reads SLOG 'cause this has the makings of a great Law & Order episode.

Posted by DOUG. | October 29, 2008 2:26 PM
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Yeah Elenchos, someone being pushed out of the place they called home for 40 years and suffers from some sort of OCD just "flips out." I'm sure all those people that have burned their houses down were the victims of some sort of arsonist from the banks/mortgage lenders...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-deadwoman15-2008oct15,0,7392943.story
She was killed by the people trying to evict her.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-porterranch7-2008oct07,0,7425239.story
He was killed by the people in the venture firm

Elenchos, all physical evidence and authoritative interpretation of the evidence points to a suicide. He had options, none of which he took because he was an old, mentally ill man, at the end of his rope. People with those kinds of problems do drastic things. What's so hard to understand about this situation that it takes a leap of logic and evidence to assume it was done by someone you can't name? You're acting like a 9/11 truther here.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 2:28 PM
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I know from personal experience (watching my drug-dealing next-door neighbor getting evicted) that it's not hard to remove a recalcitrant tenant. All you need to do is call the police, wait for them to show up, unlock the door, and let them take care of it.

Posted by keshmeshi | October 29, 2008 2:38 PM
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No kesh, obviously it's easier to shoot the old man, burn a building that is being torn down, risk your own life and freedom, simply to oust the old man. I mean really, are you that oblivious to the obvious truth?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 2:40 PM
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@15

you have access to "all [of the] physical evidence"? are you a cop? they've shared nothing with us. was there a suicide note? wtf!

if this were a pot bust (same empty building, same old man), the stranger wouldn't take the cops word for it. they would of blasted any paper that printed what the cops said. but this is not a pot bust.

my man nico says this is a retaliation job.

Posted by cochise. | October 29, 2008 2:47 PM
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I suspect Mr. Ave believes himself to be a remote-sensing psychiatrist, who can diagnose mental illness in people from afar, without ever having met them. He calls them paranoid, delusional, obsessive compulsive. He thinks he knows things that no one else knows. Interesting.

If I were qualified to say so, I'd suspect this is what is known as "projection."

Also, who said the motive for faking the suicide was eviction? Did I say that?

Posted by elenchos | October 29, 2008 2:51 PM
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@19 i did...sorry. but really, it could of been Ed himself or any local ruffian.

let's see the evidence.

Posted by cochise. | October 29, 2008 2:54 PM
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I blame the Iranians.

Posted by NapoleonXIV | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM
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who does a man without family and a loner leave a suicide note to?

and elenchos, you're projecting with the "knows what no one else knows". What do you know about the case which the police haven't announced? You've gone the esoteric route, im going based on what the police have stated.

Fact: he was a packrat. hints at OCD
Fact: you subscribe to conspiracy theories. hints at paranoia.

Until you dredge up any evidence supporting your thoughts, i'm going to label you as a conspiratorial loon. Don't like it? Don't post.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 3:08 PM
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@22 to The Man? duh. You are foolishly making the assumption that all suicide notes are for family.

(ps mine doesn't stem from paranoia, just a belief in cop imcompetence\lazyness. they are humans afterall, not robocops)

Posted by cochise. | October 29, 2008 3:14 PM
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Would a man with OCD forget a critical detail like a suicide note?

Posted by elenchos | October 29, 2008 3:36 PM
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Who would he write it to? You? The Man?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 3:43 PM
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@24

Why would he bother if his plan was to set everything on fire?

Posted by Mr. Poe | October 29, 2008 3:45 PM
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Clearly he would have bought a fire-proof safe and placed the note inside. He didn't. So. This is totally a cover up. Of sorts.

Posted by Jonathan Bailo Thomas | October 29, 2008 3:47 PM
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Yeah, he should have left a suicide stone tablet.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 3:47 PM
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Ok elenchos, I'll bite- so why did "they"
fake a suicide and start the blaze?

If "they" is the Developer looking to cash in on insurance money, why not wait a day until the old guy is out? It's a hell of alot easy to blame the fire on NIMBY arsonists then kill and frame a disgruntled tenant...

Oh, and in response to #24, only 23-36% of suicides leave notes, so you can scratch that detail off your list of conspiracy evidence.

Posted by UNPAID BLOGGER | October 29, 2008 3:47 PM
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Well I'm just trying to piece together the idea that if you're a packrat then you must have OCD and therefore you must be suicidal, however, you're not obsessive compulsive enough to leave a note. Just enough to kill yourself, but not enough to explain why. Or something.

In fact, millions of people are packrats, and that doesn't mean they have OCD. And even if they did, that doesn't make them suicidal.

So I still don't see any proof that he was insane. I see eyewitnesses who knew him for years to be diligent, and effective in his work, and generally a good man.

You could say that his delusion prevented him from taking advantage of the perfectly good options for leaving his building, but his delusional state is the very thing I'm asking you to prove. It would be a fallacy to rest your conclusions upon a foundation of the very delusional state which you haven't yet proven.

Don't know why they killed him. Maybe to destroy his files? Maybe after all that time he know something, and he had proof. The man, and the piles of evidence he collected, had to go. But we will never know the real reason if we don't ask.

Posted by elenchos | October 29, 2008 3:58 PM
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Mr. Poe = John Bailo! I knew it!

No, It's well know this dude worked in the teflon department at Boeing. He wrote the note on a teflon sheet. duh. you people fail to use the Inspector Lumbar part of your brain. FAIL.

Since there is no suicide note (as number 29 pointed out, because the percentage is soooo low), how did they find out that he did it other than assuming? COME ON PEOPLE...DATA! FACTS! not "well, looks like his did himself off."

His prints on the gas cans? did he have smoke in his lungs? a note? WHAT? you people understand forensics, right?

Posted by cochise. | October 29, 2008 4:05 PM
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OCD people aren't suicidal, so we can lay that strawman to rest. He was suicidal because he was losing everything he knew. And there is some backstory to supports that notion. Also, crazy people aren't suicidal.
Suicidal people are fundamentally people without hope for the future. You can see why he set a fire and blew his brains out.

and seriously, you're now claiming he might of had evidence of something in those files and that was the reason to kill him? You're going to invent a story of a conspiracy he was on to, to support a conspiracy that he was killed. You're trolling me now.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 4:16 PM
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"OCD people aren't suicidal"
"crazy people aren't suicidal"

awesome dude. awesome.

Posted by cochise. | October 29, 2008 4:23 PM
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Give me a break, elenchos. You think anyone that trolls Slog is SusanUnPC.

Posted by w7ngman | October 29, 2008 4:24 PM
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He knew lots of things besides his apartment; it wasn't everything he knew. For example, he knew the several individuals who spoke well of him after he died. He also was not entirely without hope. He had hope in the form of moving assistance, including a truck and a crew to move him to his new apartment.

The only evidence to support the supposition that he was suicidal is that he had no hope. Yet in fact, there was hope, and he did in fact have a place to go, and he did in fact have people to help him. So for you to insist that he had no future is for you to ignore reality, and for you to then pretend that he was willing to ignore reality with you.

If you had first proven that he was insane, then you could support the claim that he ignored reality, but that would be begging the question.

You haven't proven him insane, and if he was sane then he was aware that there was hope for the future. Therefore, nothing supports the assertion that he was suicidal.

w7ngman, this isn't about me.

Posted by elenchos | October 29, 2008 5:04 PM
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Bellevue, did you just dis Abby? Because I like you, but that is not cool.

Posted by Greg | October 29, 2008 5:12 PM
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ED JACKSON.

ED JACKSON.

ED JACKSON.

E = 5TH LETTER OF THE ALPHABET.
D = 4TH LETTER OF THE ALPHABET.
JACKSON = PRESIDENT ON THE 20 DOLLAR BILL.
3 = NUMBER OF EVICTION NOTICED ED JACKSON RECEIVED.
20 X 3 + 54 = 114.

ED JACKSON LIVED AT 1605 BELLEVUE AVE.
FOR 40 YEARS.
1605 + 40 = 1645.

ED JACKSON WAS 89 YEARS OLD.
89. BACKWARDS THIS IS 98. BACKWARDS AGAIN IS 89.
ED JACKSON WAS BEING EVICTED TO MAKE ROOM FOR A 103-UNIT BUILDING.
43 IS THE BUS ROUTE THAT PASSED ED'S WINDOW EVERY TIME HE LOOKED OUTSIDE.
89 + 103 + 43 = 235

ED JACKSON DIED ON 10/27/08. 102708.
102708 + 235 = 102943.
114 - 1 = 113.
WHAT IS 1?
WHAT IS 1??
1 IS THE NUMBER OF HIJACKERS MISSING FROM UNITED FLIGHT 93.
102943 / 113 = ***911***

ED JACKSON WAS THE 20TH HIJACKER.

Posted by bellevue nachos | October 29, 2008 5:33 PM
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I was a tenant of that building and everything Josh said was true. He was an outstanding building manager and so was his wife, Mary.

Ed's apartment was a firetrap. It wouldn't surprise me if the gun somehow set the place on fire. Who knows. I don't condone the fire, but I have great sympathy for Ed.

By the way, you know how much time, energy, and money it takes to move after living somewhere for a couple years? Or how about 10 years? Now try 40 years. It's a royal pain the ass. The Marion Apartments were Ed's life and I'm sure at 89-years-old, (without his wife) he wasn't about to start over. I'm sure he just wanted to be left alone.

A threat of eviction is a very scary thing for anyone, especially when you've done nothing to deserve it, in the case of a condo conversion. It makes you feel well, homeless. Less than human. Homeless people are untouchables in America and Ed was about to be a homeless person. I'm sure he wasn't relishing that.

Posted by Preachy McFingerwaggler | October 29, 2008 5:56 PM
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Greg, it was a joke.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 7:48 PM
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elenchos, saying he had assistance doesnt mean he was willing to take it or that it fulfilled what he needed. The fact he didn't take it says there was something more profound going on. like he couldn't let go unless it was on his terms.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | October 29, 2008 7:51 PM

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