And if you don't want people judging the attendees at HUMP!, I'd suggest not judging the Porn and Pastries people.

"That's why, she said, their home computer now has software that monitors its Web history. If a porn site is detected, a report is sent to the wife, as well as to a friend who's helping them out.

"There is no privacy when you're married," she said.
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Wow - just ... wow.

And no, I have no idea why I'm on church anti-porn mailing lists. Best guess, I live close to the churches and they just blasted the neighborhood with their fliers.

Because of this, there are adult book stores/porn theaters on the Iowa side of every bridge. The parking lots are always filled with Nebraska cars. It's an interesting comment on "real men" in Nebraska.

As for me, I'm unabashedly and enthusiastically "pro-porn" as long as it doesn't have kids, pets or unwilling participants in it. As for poor married Christian guys, as long as their not squandering the kid's college funds on pay-per-view or similar, or showing it to the children, let them have some fun.

Think of the children! The children!

Yes, I hope he thinks of the children when he hits the road. May he take 'em too or else they'll be pushed into some Christo-facist virginity pledge program and get knocked up in middle school....or worse, be turned into mommy's little man. Ick! (Yes, I have relatives in Idaho like this. Why do you ask?)

These guys are conservative Christians, which means that they oppose women's autonomy and equal rights for gays at the same time that they officially oppose pornography. If they're still looking at pornography, it's a classic case of hypocrisy and "for me but not for thee." They don't want women or gays to have sexual autonomy, but they're happy to break the rules for themselves.

It's the same deal with Ted Haggard and the rest of those Christian hypocrites. There's nothing wrong with using the services of a male prostitute; there's something wrong with doing that and then going to church on Sunday to heap hate on the homos.

@17: At the same time, hearing a woman called a bitch several times with vitriol in a paragraph kinda makes me wanna throw up, even though I've unhesitantly called women bitches before myself (I'm female by the way.). Ah, hypocrisy. At least I try to own it.

Churches really need to spend more time on useful things like non-judgmentally comforting people, providing shelter and food, and raising questions that actually mean something (you know stuff about life purpose, how to get along with other humans, etc.). How about meetings for women that were about "Pastries and Personal boundaries"--as in not enmeshing yourself with another person and having a life of your own (i.e. job, money, interests, friends, computer)--instead of conditioning women to live through others?

@17: At the same time, hearing a woman called a bitch several times with vitriol in a paragraph kinda makes me wanna throw up, even though I've unhesitantly called women bitches before myself (I'm female by the way.). Ah, hypocrisy. At least I try to own it.

Churches really need to spend more time on useful things like non-judgmentally comforting people, providing shelter and food, and raising questions that actually mean something (you know stuff about life purpose, how to get along with other humans, etc.). How about meetings for women that were about "Pastries and Personal boundaries"--as in not enmeshing yourself with another person and having a life of your own (i.e. job, money, interests, friends, computer)--instead of conditioning women to live through others?

as mentioned above, it is "wrong" to look at porn because lustful thoughts about anyone save your wife are wrong. these guys usually feel pretty bad about it, which is why they tell their spouse (or a friend) and have them help monitor it.

these men and women are usually well-meaning, and put themselves in a very difficult situation. the guy feels weak and guilty for looking, the woman feels unworthy or non-wanted/loved.

can you imagine trying to operate under those conditions?

Seriously, this guy is a 32 year-old former Youth Pastor who speaks to gatherings of 20 and 30 year-old women who are having sex-related marital difficulties. They pay him $10 to attend, and he moved to Las Vegas so he could have proximity to the sinners. His xxxchurch website is a bunch of blogs about attending porn conventions, with great reader comments.

So, when you do a MSNYahooLive search for Craig Gross next year, you'll have something new but not surprising for the Youth Pastor Watch.

/blink

No penis-shaped cakes? No chocolate tits? No - gasp! - penis lollipops?

Honestly! What passes for entertainment these days. *tsk tsk*

I'm just sayin...

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