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<title>Slog - Comments on Magnolians Sue to Block Homeless Housing</title>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing</link>
<description>UPDATED: 3:30 P.M. The Magnolia Neighborhood Planning Council is suing the city of Seattle to stop a housing development on the Fort Lawton Army Reserve Base in Discovery Park. In 2005, the federal government decided to close the 55-acre base, and the Department of Defense had asked the city to redevelop the land and include homeless assistance. So the city council passed a resolution in September, proposing the city&apos;s Office of Housing develop more than 150 new housing units, including 85 units for the homeless. But the MNPC, which describes itself in the suit as seeking to “maintain the environmental...</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:26:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Greg</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>NIMBYs in Magnolia? There's a shock.</p>]]></description>
<author>Greg</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174318</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174318</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:33:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by CM</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>who is the real trash?</p>]]></description>
<author>CM</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174392</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174392</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:44:59 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Sargon Bighorn</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Oh no, people on Magnolia don't want THOSE kind of people in the area.  How novel.</p>

<p>Amazingly enough, they will win the law suit and the housing will become affordable for the well heeled.  Watch and see.</p>]]></description>
<author>Sargon Bighorn</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174416</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174416</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:48:30 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by amp</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Homeless people in Discovery Park? Impossible!</p>]]></description>
<author>amp</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174437</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174437</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:51:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Algernon</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Mongolians back to Mongolia.</p>]]></description>
<author>Algernon</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174445</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174445</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:52:37 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Matthew</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I gotta say, I don't really want a big housing development in the middle of Discovery Park either, regardless of whether it's populated with homeless people or yuppie assholes.</p>]]></description>
<author>Matthew</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174456</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174456</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:55:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by W2M</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>there are no services for homeless people in Magnolia outside of a bus ride downtown...and not that many bus routes either...</p>

<p>  I am not thrilled with the idea... We have successfully avoided the condo infestation for the most part;  we dont need a project across the street.</p>]]></description>
<author>W2M</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174527</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174527</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:11:03 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by keshmeshi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Why not sell the land and use the proceeds to build housing in a more convenient location?  Bonus:  the new owner then gets to deal with the lawsuits.</p>]]></description>
<author>keshmeshi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174571</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174571</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:21:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Trevor</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@6: There already is a big housing development in Discovery Park. It's called Ft. Lawton.</p>]]></description>
<author>Trevor</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174591</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174591</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:26:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by lorax</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Let's put the homeless where they belong--in poor neighborhoods far from lily-white Magnolia.</p>]]></description>
<author>lorax</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174613</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174613</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:31:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by raindrop</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Building homeless housing just makes it easier for individuals who want no responsibility in life to be homeless. Such places then are magnets for crime and a blight on the neighborhood. Better to get the chronically mentally ill and alcoholics into housing dispersed throughout the city so they’re not just encampments of despair and vulnerability.</p>]]></description>
<author>raindrop</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174617</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174617</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:31:55 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by joykiller</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@9, the current Ft. Lawton residents have cars, work on the fort, and have retail provided in part by the Army.  As others have pointed out, any homeless housing will be dramatically different.  There are two bus routes serving Discover Park, only one of which goes through the fort.  The nearest grocery store?  The most expensive Thriftway in the world.</p>

<p>Yeah, we could just chalk it all up to class bias, but there are some serious practical issues here, many of which have not been addressed.</p>]]></description>
<author>joykiller</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174653</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174653</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:39:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by jrrrl</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Magnuson Park has almost the exact same situation -- a former military base in a rich white neighborhood with new low income housing.</p>

<p>Magnuson Park has 165 low income/formerly homeless people living there since 2000.  Is Laurelhurst a ghetto now?  Are the sick kids across the street at Children's Hospital getting assaulted?  Are there needles all along Sand Point Way?</p>

<p>No, nobody notices except the people who had nowhere else to go.</p>]]></description>
<author>jrrrl</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174688</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174688</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:49:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by i have a medium penis</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>but if they have homes, then they're not homeless anymore!</p>]]></description>
<author>i have a medium penis</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174755</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174755</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:03:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Rainier Valley Resident</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>If it ever goes through (I doubt it will),  Magnolia will get the nice cute homeless. Families with little children who have a "good" reason to be homeless. Probably in cute semi-detached townhouses designed by charitable architects. They will be forced to move away when the kids become unruly teens.</p>

<p>Meanwhile Columbia City gets a one block monstrosity on Rainier Ave., four stories of single rooms for mentally ill, drug addicted homeless. Living six blocks away its not that big a deal to me, I just hope there are pedestrian barriers along Rainier or it will be carnage with all the speeders.</p>]]></description>
<author>Rainier Valley Resident</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174758</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174758</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:04:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Reverse Polarity</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>7 & 12, Oh, please. Gimme a break.</p>

<p>If they add a hundred units of housing, don't you think they can add another bus route? Or add a few more busses to the current route? Duh.</p>

<p>Same for grocery stores and other services. If there are a few hundred more people there that need it, then some enterprising business will add another grocery store or other low-priced shopping to meet the demand. Problem solved.</p>]]></description>
<author>Reverse Polarity</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174773</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174773</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:11:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by joykiller</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@16, they're not adding housing -- the housing is already there.  I'm sure Metro won't be adding more bus service to Magnolia anytime soon, given its current fiscal state.</p>]]></description>
<author>joykiller</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174829</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174829</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:24:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by YIMBY</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Wanna be truly entertained, check out the Magnolia NIMBY central website: sleeplessinmagnolia.ning.com</p>

<p>The sky is falling....</p>]]></description>
<author>YIMBY</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174889</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174889</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:45:03 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by max solomon</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>i am one of the lily-white residents of lily-white & lily-asian view ridge - i can say that the housing at magnusson has no effect on our neighborhood - we're up a STEEP motherfucking hill (70th) from sand point, and there's absolutely no reason to hump up the hill unless you live up there or you're training for mt. rainier. all our crime comes from junior high kids rifling the glove boxes of unlocked cars. and, most recently, murderers dumping the body of their victim.</p>

<p>lighted ballfields at magnusson can suck it, though - we sued over that & got the number cut by a third. the discovery park suit is similarly an effort to extract concessions from the city/SHA.</p>]]></description>
<author>max solomon</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174918</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174918</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:57:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by max solomon</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>oh, and what @7 said holds true for view ridge, too. no services, infrequent bus service. all the homeless seem to drive.</p>]]></description>
<author>max solomon</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174919</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1174919</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:58:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Curmudgeon</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Housing projects are generally a bad idea wherever they're sited. Cities everywhere are tearing them down and giving poor people housing vouchers instead. Building public housing projects next Discovery Park is a really dumb idea for many reasons. There is lots of room down in Interbay that is much more suitable for high density housing. The nearest fire station has one small truck and one steam powered antique wagon that they roll out for the kids. (They are not setup for giving bums rides to the liquor store.) Interbay has bus lines, grocery stores, restaurants, a big fire station, easy access to Ballard, Fremont, Queen Anne, Belltown, quick access to Swedish Ballard etc. It's hard to even get a cab to find the Lawton neighborhood.</p>

<p>Call me a NIMBY, but I rolled-the-dice with my life savings so that my daughter could go to Lawton School and so she wouldn't have to deal with the occasionally nightmarish conditions we experienced on Capitol Hill. (needles, vagrants, sexual predators, pit bulls, drunks, prostitutes, riots, tear gas, sirens, helicopters, scary people camping in our stairwell). That shit might sound exciting when you're 25 and single, but when your life revolves around housing, feeding, and clothing a 3 year old girl, you move to Magnolia and defend the quality of life. The city wants to add 300 housing units, but no new schools. In fact, the schools are full and talking about putting kids in "portables" (like Katrina survivors). </p>

<p>Despite the assumptions, Magnolia is not Mercer Island. The waterfront is wealthy, but the neighborhoods aren't. A lot of the neighbors are hanging on by their fingernails.</p>

<p>98199<br />
Median Household Net Worth	$216,303<br />
Median Total Debts	$252,094 </p>

<p>I went to the City's planning meetings. The whole process was a sham perpetrated by a paid public relations firm. It was designed to manufacture consent for an outcome that was pre-ordained. There was zero tolerance for dissent. The question of whether the housing projects should be built was off the table. The only questions were about landscaping and traffic patterns.</p>]]></description>
<author>Curmudgeon</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1178854</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/magnolians_sue_to_block_homeless_housing#c1178854</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:28:45 -0800</pubDate>
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