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<description>First: A study by Harvard post-doc fellow Daniel J. Hopkins (pdf here) which argues that the Bradley effect disappeared around 1996: African Americans running for office before 1996 performed on average 2.7 percentage points worse than their polling numbers would indicate. Yet this effect subsequently disappeared. Although precision is limited because there were only 47 observations for 18 elections with black candidates in this period, these finding accord with theories of racial politics emphasizing the information environment. As racialzied rhetoric about welfare and crime receded from national prominence in the mid-1990s, so did the gap between polling and performance. Second:...</description>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>If you hit 538's current numbers with a 7% Bradley Effect, you get a narrow 279-259 McCain win. If the Bradley Effect is only 6%, Obama wins, 281-257, and from there on in it's pure gravy. Even a 3% Bradley Effect, which is the old historical standard, gives us a 338-200 Obama blowout.<br /><br />
I think he's going to get close to 400, myself. I'd really like to see a worse drubbing than that; I'd like to see Obama take at least two states in the Deep South and the Mountain West (say, Georgia and Louisiana, and Montana and North Dakota) just to rub it in their faces and hasten the permanent demise of the Hate-Crime Republicans.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170308</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:48:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Ronan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Great story. I found it very interesting.</p>]]></description>
<author>Ronan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170309</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:48:51 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Aislinn</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Very nicely done, Brendan. Nationally relevant and personally touching.</p>]]></description>
<author>Aislinn</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170322</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:54:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by hillpagan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, super post, I was rapt.</p>]]></description>
<author>hillpagan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170334</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:02:14 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by PJ</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the other comments.  Can I suggest you expand this into an article for the print edition?  </p>]]></description>
<author>PJ</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170339</link>
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<title>Comment by shub-negrorath</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Interesting story, esp. for a black neo-Seattelite originally from NC. Couple nitpicks though, though—"losing" a business to integration isn't quite the same as losing a business to a natural disaster. Your grandfather shuttered his pool because destroying the fruits of his own blood, sweat, & tears was preferable to sharing it with people like me. He didn't lose his business to integration, he lost it to his own bigotry.<br />
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Also, I love that the same folks who constantly admonish ghetto-dwellers to get it together on their own can't even muster one iota of responsibility for slavery, even with the qualifier that "it's all over now." Truly unreal.</p>]]></description>
<author>shub-negrorath</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170340</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:09:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Brendan Kiley</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>You're right, shub. Just goes to show how deep the family conditioning runs—I always heard the business referred to as "lost," so I repeated it.</p>

<p>Do you think I've got it right, shub, about Obama and the nuances of the racism in those parts? You're from that area (northern N.C.?) and I'm sure know it better than I do.</p>]]></description>
<author>Brendan Kiley</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170351</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:21:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>What's even sicker, Shub, is the people who on the one hand say "get over it, slavery was a long time ago, it's nothing to do with ME" but on the other can't shut the fuck up about their disgusting Confederate roots.<br /><br />
Check out "Confederates in the Attic" by Tony Horwitz for a bizarre and eye-opening tour of this little insanity.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170354</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:25:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bellevue Ave</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Why would they run liquor from dry to wet counties? Worst bootleggers ever. </p>]]></description>
<author>Bellevue Ave</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170359</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:30:42 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by LH</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I listened to an academic from Princeton say last night on Rachel Maddow that: </p>

<p>1) There are some incorrect assumptions out there that the Bradley Effect has subsided. The Bradley Effect happens in racially mixed areas when a Africian American is running against a Caucasian.  Scholars who are saying it's subsiding are often looking at predominately African-American cities where African-Americans are getting elected with margins similar to their polling and saying, "look no Bradley effect."  </p>

<p>There are not very many examples of racially mixed electorates electing African American officeholders to use to measure the Bradley Effect. (There IS Illinois!...but can't really do a Bradley Effect measure there because Obama didn't run against a white guy) </p>

<p>2.  There is a reverse Bradley in the deep south.  Apparently some people in places where there is a lot of race hatred are likely to say that they WON'T vote for the African-American, but then do!</p>

<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27108465#27108465" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27108465#27108465</a> </p>]]></description>
<author>LH</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170363</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:32:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Matthew</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Please.  No more Brendan Kiley.</p>

<p>Please.</p>]]></description>
<author>Matthew</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170368</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:36:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by keshmeshi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>There's also the possibility, or likelihood, that the Bradley Effect will be stronger in some states and not others.  Will there be a significant difference in polling in liberal states?  I'll guess not.  And probably not in extremely conservative states either.  As we've seen, plenty of conservatives are loud and proud about their bigotry.  If anything, it's the moderate states we have to watch out for, but I still doubt it'll be enough for an Obama loss.</p>

<p>Thanks for the analysis and anecdotes, Brendan.  They were illuminating.</p>]]></description>
<author>keshmeshi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170369</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:37:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Suze</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely beautiful, loving post, Brendan.  Thanks for an perfect antidote to all the hate I'm feeling from folks in Pennsylvania (once again, proving that racism in the north is UGly).</p>]]></description>
<author>Suze</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170371</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:40:20 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by W.T. Foxtrot</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I'm with 6.  The decision may have been influenced by a different set of social mores than exists today, but your grandfather gave up his business - it was not taken from him.</p>

<p>Otherwise an excellent post.  Makes me wonder if the the white folk in the semi-rural SC neighborhood i grew up in still refer to their black neighbors as slaves (as they did way back in the 1980s)</p>]]></description>
<author>W.T. Foxtrot</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170373</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:41:20 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by shub-negrorath</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Well I'm not from northern NC, Brendan (grew up in Durham), but I've traveled all over the state so I know a bit about the hinterlands. But I was a bit surprised to hear that old-school white Southerners might cut Obama some slack because he's not descended from slaves—the received wisdom among most of the older southern blacks I know is that whites are incapable of making such distinctions and see all blacks as equally inferior. I guess it rarely comes up given that NC doesn't have a huge African immigrant population that I'm aware of. At any rate, it's difficult for me to offer an opinion as to whether your family's attitudes are typical, since whites in the modern South have honed the concealment of their true racial views in mixed company to a science.</p>

<p>Now that I think about it though, maybe it's not quite so unexpected after all, given that dyed-in-the-wool beliefs about race don't so much change as die off with their owners. In that respect I guess I really should consider it progress, of a sort. </p>]]></description>
<author>shub-negrorath</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170374</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:41:49 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ashamed to use name</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>My Dad, who lives in the Northeast, wrote off my sister (his favorite, growing up) for marrying a black guy, basically pretending for the last 20 years that she never existed. He doesn't acknowledge his grandchild, either (luckily, my Mom does, but she has to do it on the sly).</p>

<p>The other day, my cognitively dissonant, racist Dad mentioned to me that he's getting an annoying amount of email from the Obama campaign asking him to donate *more*, implying that he's donated to Obama already. This from the guy that used to get Christmas cards from the Quayles and Bushes for donating to them! WTF? My brain hurts.</p>]]></description>
<author>ashamed to use name</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170391</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:51:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Seajay</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Bradley Effect or no, this independent conservative thinks the majority of Americans are looking past the colour of his skin.  If he's elected, they'll elect him on his words, not his colour; and if he's defeated, he'll be defeated on his words--not his colour.</p>]]></description>
<author>Seajay</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170408</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:11:49 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DavidC</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Wghat about a reverse Bradley Effect?  Red Necks afraid to admit in public that they are voting for Obama</p>]]></description>
<author>DavidC</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170430</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:27:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by shub-negrorath</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@17: Trouble is, elections aren't decided by majorities—the fact that most people more or less always vote straight tickets one way or the other eliminates any chance of that. Which means that our election lies in the hands of undecideds (morons) and lifelong Dems breaking ranks for the first time in their lives to avoid voting for a black man. Worse than worthless, the lot of them.</p>]]></description>
<author>shub-negrorath</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170452</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:51:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by joeyp</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It's really hard to prove or disprove the existence of the Bradley Effect. Given that Obama was ahead of Sen. Clinton by 13 percentage pts in New Hampshire before the primary and lost by 3 percentage pts, it's hard to say with any authority that it has disappeared.</p>

<p>Certainly, there are reasons to say New Hampshire was an outlier and the total collapse resulted from something besides race&#8212;an more humble, approachable Clinton, for instance&#8212;but race-induced reluctance in the voting booth could be an equally plausible explanation.</p>

<p>Race is, clearly, a factor in American politics. In this "post-racial" day and age, Obama is still the only black American in the U.S. Senate, and the most prominent black politician of his generation.</p>

<p>He's achieved the success he has because he has distanced himself from race. As this post indicates, Obama has erased all connection to the racial history of this country to transcend race and open himself to broader voter base. He has avoided contact with recognized African American leaders and racial issues that have "receded from national prominence (largely because the Democrats have refused to discuss them)." His opponents have tried their best to mark him as a member of the black community formed by the descendants of American slavery; he has done a better job of marking himself as "Other."</p>

<p>I don't know if he's done enough to win the votes of bigots, casual racists, or independents gun shy about voting for someone they suspect isn't post-racial at heart. But I know Obama got a lot of momentum and support from caucus states, to many for me to feel comfortable predicting his future electoral success. </p>

<p>It took a devastating economic crisis to open up an Obama lead that by what Americans say are their policy positions should be much larger. Given his opponent, the issues, and the times, I find it hard to believe race isn't playing a prominent role.</p>

<p>I guess what I'm saying is I don't share Brendan's optimism.</p>]]></description>
<author>joeyp</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170469</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:07:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It all comes down to money in your pockets.</p>

<p>And by that standard, you're better off Dead than Red.</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170514</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:36:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Trevor</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Great story. Baseless speculation on its implications. Well-meaning wishful thinking, but inadequate to prove any kind of argument.</p>]]></description>
<author>Trevor</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170531</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:54:21 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by hopeful</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>wow. i hope it's true. but as a seattleite relocated to southwest virginia for college, racism is still alive and well and frighteningly potent here. i guess more people live in northern virginia though. i can't say how shocked i was at how backward the south still is...</p>]]></description>
<author>hopeful</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170617</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:08:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Seajay</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>"Trouble is, elections aren't decided by majorities—the fact that most people more or less always vote straight tickets one way or the other eliminates any chance of that. Which means that our election lies in the hands of undecideds (morons) and lifelong Dems breaking ranks for the first time in their lives to avoid voting for a black man. Worse than worthless, the lot of them."</p>

<p>I'm making a sincere effort to follow you here, but I really don't see how straight-ticket voting changes the fact that at the end of the day one candidate gets more votes than the other.  Are you saying that people who are in the tank for one side or another--nothing wrong with that, it's what politics is about--somehow don't really count as part of a majority?  Or is what you're saying that majorities in recent Presidential elections are so slim that they always fall within the margin of error inherent in the system, so to speak?</p>

<p>The Founders had doubts about direct popular election of a President;  that's why they established the Electoral College.  They were afraid of the demagoguery that campaigns for direct election of a President would bring.  You seem to have some echo of their sentiments here.</p>]]></description>
<author>Seajay</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170618</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:08:57 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Ren</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@20-"He's achieved the success he has because he has distanced himself from race."</p>

<p>If Obama wanted to distance himself from race he would have gone to work for corporate America instead of community organzing in the hood. </p>

<p>If he wanted to distance himself from race he would have married and fathered children with a white woman and not a black one.</p>

<p>Obama is where he is act because he understands "race" and how it is played out in the US. </p>

<p>He had to deal with race on both sides of lines. He was a mixed kid raised by white people that made him "black" by default among whites and "white" by default among blacks.</p>

<p>American racial politics shaped and refined him.</p>

<p>Jessie J, Rev.Al and Farrakan aren't going to disappear because Obama is on the scene. To suggest they would makes Obama seem more like a race puppet for whites than a US president for all citizens.</p>]]></description>
<author>Ren</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170649</link>
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<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:28:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Seajay</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Mr Obama has the talent to have been the next Vernon Jordan or Herman Cain if he weren't about race in a fundamental way.</p>

<p>Why aren't these names household words btw?  Because they belong to black men who rose to the top in the banking and restaurant businesses respectively.  Money and food are about as colour-blind as you can get.  A dollar spends just the same in a black or white person's hands, and you don't have to be black or white to know a decent pizza when you see one.</p>]]></description>
<author>Seajay</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170674</link>
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<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:23:15 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by palamedes</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Having relatives on my father's side that arrived in North Carolina in 1756 (settled along the Cape Fear River, in Harnett County), I can concur with most of Mr. Kiley's story.  My branch continued west and north, eventually reaching the steel mills of Northwest Indiana, but a lot of the old attitudes stuck around.</p>

<p>Back in April, just as I was getting ready to head for the airport and home, after a family visit, my dad asked me if I really thought Obama could win election as President.</p>

<p>"Well, if he sells himself as a capable politician who just happens to be Black, yes."  He shook his head, disbelieving, then.</p>

<p>He shakes his head about it a lot less now, but it's still a major thing for him to digest.  For his three children, though, who span the complete political spectrum, it's just not an issue.  And that says a lot.</p>]]></description>
<author>palamedes</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_ignor#c1170710</link>
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<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:17:12 -0800</pubDate>
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