God damn it! I hate Sarah Palin just as much as anyone else, but just because it's sexism against someone who is legitimately awful doesn't mean it isn't still SEXISM! "I fucked Sarah Palin," with some witty subtext, is just as icky male chauvinist as anything said to Hillary Clinton or any woman, anywhere. I hate Palin too, and there are lots of mean things we can say to her, but let's leave gender out of it.
Oh, and I don't think it's all that fair to call this "Democratic Haute Couture". How about "Stupid Website Selling 'Look at How Offensive We Are' Shirts Attempts to Make A Buck Off of the Campaign Couture"?
Posted by
Julie in Chicago |
October 6, 2008 8:55 AM
i was actually for the literal interpretation of @4...we don't need to use or want to use sexism against SP. But I'm changing my mind. SP herself is using her gender as a tool - just look at this latest quote: "The heels are on, the gloves are off!"
And her fucking lipstick? And her motherhood? And the winking (which no man would ever be allowed to do with such impunity)?
I fucked Joe Biden...by voting for McCain.
Who's totally fucked now? We shall see.(I'm not really voting for McCain, I just wanted to put the shoe on the other foot to balance it out for all the OCD people out there.)
...and just imagine the anti-social diseases one might get. Oh well, at least in an Obama administration one is more likely to have access to health care without having to swear on a Bible or take a chastity pledge...
@11 Btw, this is all bs. She said the word "heels" so she is using her gender? Heels and lipstick are current womens fashion and aren't anymore using gender than a guy talking about ties or not wearing lipstick. And Biden mentioned fatherhood and cried about it during his debate. Your examples totally suck but even if she was totally using her gender, if you say there is something wrong with some female because she is female, it is an attack on all women, and you're retarded as hell.
"Oh no some token black Republican just invoked MLK when talking about AA, I am totally justified in saying that we should have never given the n~gers the right to vote since he brought up race!"
Considering that her sex appeal is one of Palin's only legit qualifications, this shirt is defensible. Everybody wasting breath on outrage should consider diggum's wisdom; people of both genders can be, and often are, fucked. And if Palin gets the VP job we're all fucked.
@15 -- agreed. There is something about the under 40 bunch that just loves saying FUCK at every turn and it is somehow supposed to convey humor, irony, exasperation, hipness all at the same time. Can we just use FUCK when we mean sex?
This saying is plain tacky conveying nothing important at all.
I have never seen a single piece of merchandise on the T-Shirt Hell website that wasn't inappropriate, sexist, racist, obscene, or otherwise mean-spirited. It's the nature of their business. Thus, I'm not surprised at all by this, and I agree with the others that we shouldn't pay much attention to it.
Let's act like the progressives most of us claim to be. Talk about your transgressive t-shirt when you're at the bar, mention it as a funny anecdote over dinner, email it to your friends.
But in public forums like this one, let's avoid calling attention to such sexist drivel.
First off, it can't technically be construed as sexist. The shirt could say the same thing just as easily if she had a penis. Unless, of course, you're so homophobic that you don't think two men can fuck each other. In other words, anne marie, you're an idiot.
Second, it's a goddamn t-shirt. If you've got enough time to be insulted by a t-shirt, then you have far too much time on your hands. And you really, really aren't paying attention to the actual offensive things happening in the world right now. Y'know, unjustified wars, genocide, global warming, an imploding economy, and an incompetent troglodyte running for VP alongside a senile maniac. You know... the things you should ACTUALLY be offended by.
EmmiG sez "Heels and lipstick are current womens fashion and aren't anymore using gender", which is funny.
How about "with an ass like this" (on the back) and "who needs big tits?" (on the front)? Is that sexy? How about "swallow, or it's going in your eye"? Or "Women are like parking spots. They're whores and liars". Or "Thousands of my potential children died on your daughter's face last night"?
And, hell, my post post was sexist, as I forgot that a woman can just as easily fuck a man. Strap-ons, after all, aren't just for penile-challenged lesbians, after all.
To say, in other words, that a shirt which suggests the sexual penetration of a woman is, by its very nature, mysoginistic, a phallsuy.
And, hell, my post post was sexist, as I forgot that a woman can just as easily fuck a man. Strap-ons, after all, aren't just for penile-challenged lesbians.
To say, in other words, that a shirt which suggests the sexual penetration of a woman is, by its very nature, mysoginistic, a phallsuy.
And, hell, my post post was sexist, as I forgot that a woman can just as easily fuck a man. Strap-ons, after all, aren't just for penile-challenged lesbians.
To say, in other words, that a shirt which suggests the sexual penetration of a woman is, by its very nature, mysoginistic, a phallusy.
#1 ..and i mean this in the kindest way possible but jeez you're an ass..first for calling anne marie and idiot. and second for notting getting the FACT that in t-shirt hell this shit is clever because she doesn't have a penis. they ( and pergaps even you) think this clever/humorous /sellable because she is a woman.. which is also why the t shirt doesn't say ' i fucked john mc cain'.and why they don't make t-shirts that say that.
and thirdly why take anyone to task for finding the offensive offensive( and in this case sexist. it's idiocy to imply anne marie is only offended by this tshirt and not 'unjustified wars, genocide, global warming, an imploding economy' and whatever else you think she should only be offended by.
Posted by
reverend dr dj riz |
October 6, 2008 11:10 AM
Wow, and I thought my spelling was bad. Anyway, getting your panties, jock strap, or gender-neutral undies in a bunch because of a t-shirt is ridiculous. Given the glorious atmosphere of free speech that (hypothetically) exists in this country, I am free to both think and state that t-shirt anxiety is idiotic.
Now, certainly, a Fucked Sarah Palin t-shirt is more salable an item than a Fucked John McCain t-shirt. No one, after all, wants to Fuck John McCain. This includes Cindy McCain, and rightly so. That's not a failing of maledom or of t-shirt hell, nor is it sexist; that's a failing of John McCain and his pasty squishiness that makes no one, even those with Grandpa complexes, want to fuck him.
In addition to that is the ridiculousness of belaboring the sexualization of Sarah Palin when, obviously, that was half the reason they picked her. One doesn't go with a former Miss Alaska contestant without any political credentials unless you want people focusing on her beauty instead of her brains. Given the hypocrisy of McCain supporters crying "Sexist!" every time someone mentions her looks, I see no reason why we should do their work for them. Half the reason she is where she finds herself is her looks. The other half is the simple assumption that it's this easy to fool the half of the population that comes with ready-made vaginas.
And, in the end, getting worked up over a t-shirt is both funny and, IMO, idiotic. Have a peachy day.
Anyone who looks into T-Shirt Hell will find it's an aptly-named place. They're just trying to cash in, in good entrepreneural/capitalist style. They'll sell a few thousand, I'm sure, to types who have "Beavis And Butthead" on video and still laugh at it.
Personally, I still believe it's possible to be funny without throwing any F-bombs around ... that's why I don't buy anything from T-Shirt Hell. I guess that's where I differ from Dave.
You forgot the second half of my sentence Fnarf. Guys already mention masculine stuff all the time, it's not a big deal if a candidate says the word "lipstick", let alone a great enough deal to justify sexism. "Oh no a candidate has shaved her legs, a male candidate wouldn't get away with that, better go sell her to a husband now"? Fuck that, should females never mention anything feminine because thats invoking gender and makes sexism justifiable? People need to get over it already.
Umm, and #38 Obama is pretty decent looking (imho), there is no "I fucked Obama by voting for McCain" T shirts being sold (or "I fucked Obama by voting for Hillary", if this were primary season). There are worse ones focusing on his race/ethnicity, but none attacking his gender as far as I know. I agree that the T shirt isn't a big deal just based on the source, which is sort of meant to be ironic, but acting like this shirt would have been made for a guy if only he were better looking is bs.
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uh oh. ECB is not going to approve of this one. So siree.
uh oh. ECB is not going to approve of this one. So siree.
goddamnit. double post with typos. FUCK!
s/b No siree.
God damn it! I hate Sarah Palin just as much as anyone else, but just because it's sexism against someone who is legitimately awful doesn't mean it isn't still SEXISM! "I fucked Sarah Palin," with some witty subtext, is just as icky male chauvinist as anything said to Hillary Clinton or any woman, anywhere. I hate Palin too, and there are lots of mean things we can say to her, but let's leave gender out of it.
Yeah, it sounds gross and a little scary. The way it appears on the shirt- it brags, in a nasty, almost violent way.
People who wear "funny" shirts are tools.
I hope the people who are horrified by this shirt don't actually go to the T-shirt hell website.
That would be terrible.
Don't do it!
God, this is terrible. It's annoying that that website will probably get a bunch of publicity for this crappy shirt. Hopefully no one will buy them...
Oh, and I don't think it's all that fair to call this "Democratic Haute Couture". How about "Stupid Website Selling 'Look at How Offensive We Are' Shirts Attempts to Make A Buck Off of the Campaign Couture"?
Ah, that site is full of shit like that. It's ironic sexism for the white kids.
i was actually for the literal interpretation of @4...we don't need to use or want to use sexism against SP. But I'm changing my mind. SP herself is using her gender as a tool - just look at this latest quote: "The heels are on, the gloves are off!"
And her fucking lipstick? And her motherhood? And the winking (which no man would ever be allowed to do with such impunity)?
Yeah, fuck her.
@10: Would you happen to see any irony in your comment?
this is all kinds of wrong.
I fucked Joe Biden...by voting for McCain.
Who's totally fucked now? We shall see.(I'm not really voting for McCain, I just wanted to put the shoe on the other foot to balance it out for all the OCD people out there.)
and can we just leave fucking out of this ?
Personally, I'm not gonna get all in arms about it, but it is in bad taste.
...and just imagine the anti-social diseases one might get. Oh well, at least in an Obama administration one is more likely to have access to health care without having to swear on a Bible or take a chastity pledge...
@12 Nah, I'm a real American.
is it still sexist if I Fucked John McCain (by voting for Barack Obama) ?
sincerely,
diggum
I think it's hilarious, and I forwarded the link to all my friends.
@11 Btw, this is all bs. She said the word "heels" so she is using her gender? Heels and lipstick are current womens fashion and aren't anymore using gender than a guy talking about ties or not wearing lipstick. And Biden mentioned fatherhood and cried about it during his debate. Your examples totally suck but even if she was totally using her gender, if you say there is something wrong with some female because she is female, it is an attack on all women, and you're retarded as hell.
"Oh no some token black Republican just invoked MLK when talking about AA, I am totally justified in saying that we should have never given the n~gers the right to vote since he brought up race!"
Considering that her sex appeal is one of Palin's only legit qualifications, this shirt is defensible. Everybody wasting breath on outrage should consider diggum's wisdom; people of both genders can be, and often are, fucked. And if Palin gets the VP job we're all fucked.
#19
..but they wouldn't make a t-shirt saying that because it would be gay. see how sexism works?
Sexist. No doubts or questions about it. You want to be a progressive voter? Act like one. You're just fueling the Conservatives.
...Biden doesn't look that bad to women does he?
He could be doable...is doable even a word? :P
@15 -- agreed. There is something about the under 40 bunch that just loves saying FUCK at every turn and it is somehow supposed to convey humor, irony, exasperation, hipness all at the same time. Can we just use FUCK when we mean sex?
This saying is plain tacky conveying nothing important at all.
I have never seen a single piece of merchandise on the T-Shirt Hell website that wasn't inappropriate, sexist, racist, obscene, or otherwise mean-spirited. It's the nature of their business. Thus, I'm not surprised at all by this, and I agree with the others that we shouldn't pay much attention to it.
Frankly I'm most offended by the typeface.
Can we just leave retards out of this?
#28, yeah rly. Serifs?
Let's act like the progressives most of us claim to be. Talk about your transgressive t-shirt when you're at the bar, mention it as a funny anecdote over dinner, email it to your friends.
But in public forums like this one, let's avoid calling attention to such sexist drivel.
Oh boohoo...
First off, it can't technically be construed as sexist. The shirt could say the same thing just as easily if she had a penis. Unless, of course, you're so homophobic that you don't think two men can fuck each other. In other words, anne marie, you're an idiot.
Second, it's a goddamn t-shirt. If you've got enough time to be insulted by a t-shirt, then you have far too much time on your hands. And you really, really aren't paying attention to the actual offensive things happening in the world right now. Y'know, unjustified wars, genocide, global warming, an imploding economy, and an incompetent troglodyte running for VP alongside a senile maniac. You know... the things you should ACTUALLY be offended by.
Not just serifs, w7ngman. UGLY serifs.
EmmiG sez "Heels and lipstick are current womens fashion and aren't anymore using gender", which is funny.
How about "with an ass like this" (on the back) and "who needs big tits?" (on the front)? Is that sexy? How about "swallow, or it's going in your eye"? Or "Women are like parking spots. They're whores and liars". Or "Thousands of my potential children died on your daughter's face last night"?
And, hell, my post post was sexist, as I forgot that a woman can just as easily fuck a man. Strap-ons, after all, aren't just for penile-challenged lesbians, after all.
To say, in other words, that a shirt which suggests the sexual penetration of a woman is, by its very nature, mysoginistic, a phallsuy.
And, hell, my post post was sexist, as I forgot that a woman can just as easily fuck a man. Strap-ons, after all, aren't just for penile-challenged lesbians.
To say, in other words, that a shirt which suggests the sexual penetration of a woman is, by its very nature, mysoginistic, a phallsuy.
And, hell, my post post was sexist, as I forgot that a woman can just as easily fuck a man. Strap-ons, after all, aren't just for penile-challenged lesbians.
To say, in other words, that a shirt which suggests the sexual penetration of a woman is, by its very nature, mysoginistic, a phallusy.
Arrrgh... I apologize most profusely for my multiple postings. Both I and my PC had simultaneous seizures.
#1 ..and i mean this in the kindest way possible but jeez you're an ass..first for calling anne marie and idiot. and second for notting getting the FACT that in t-shirt hell this shit is clever because she doesn't have a penis. they ( and pergaps even you) think this clever/humorous /sellable because she is a woman.. which is also why the t shirt doesn't say ' i fucked john mc cain'.and why they don't make t-shirts that say that.
and thirdly why take anyone to task for finding the offensive offensive( and in this case sexist. it's idiocy to imply anne marie is only offended by this tshirt and not 'unjustified wars, genocide, global warming, an imploding economy' and whatever else you think she should only be offended by.
Wow, and I thought my spelling was bad. Anyway, getting your panties, jock strap, or gender-neutral undies in a bunch because of a t-shirt is ridiculous. Given the glorious atmosphere of free speech that (hypothetically) exists in this country, I am free to both think and state that t-shirt anxiety is idiotic.
Now, certainly, a Fucked Sarah Palin t-shirt is more salable an item than a Fucked John McCain t-shirt. No one, after all, wants to Fuck John McCain. This includes Cindy McCain, and rightly so. That's not a failing of maledom or of t-shirt hell, nor is it sexist; that's a failing of John McCain and his pasty squishiness that makes no one, even those with Grandpa complexes, want to fuck him.
In addition to that is the ridiculousness of belaboring the sexualization of Sarah Palin when, obviously, that was half the reason they picked her. One doesn't go with a former Miss Alaska contestant without any political credentials unless you want people focusing on her beauty instead of her brains. Given the hypocrisy of McCain supporters crying "Sexist!" every time someone mentions her looks, I see no reason why we should do their work for them. Half the reason she is where she finds herself is her looks. The other half is the simple assumption that it's this easy to fool the half of the population that comes with ready-made vaginas.
And, in the end, getting worked up over a t-shirt is both funny and, IMO, idiotic. Have a peachy day.
Anyone who looks into T-Shirt Hell will find it's an aptly-named place. They're just trying to cash in, in good entrepreneural/capitalist style. They'll sell a few thousand, I'm sure, to types who have "Beavis And Butthead" on video and still laugh at it.
Personally, I still believe it's possible to be funny without throwing any F-bombs around ... that's why I don't buy anything from T-Shirt Hell. I guess that's where I differ from Dave.
#38
but why call names, when it's clear that really you both agree on this? THAT'S what makes your post post posts idotic.
You forgot the second half of my sentence Fnarf. Guys already mention masculine stuff all the time, it's not a big deal if a candidate says the word "lipstick", let alone a great enough deal to justify sexism. "Oh no a candidate has shaved her legs, a male candidate wouldn't get away with that, better go sell her to a husband now"? Fuck that, should females never mention anything feminine because thats invoking gender and makes sexism justifiable? People need to get over it already.
Umm, and #38 Obama is pretty decent looking (imho), there is no "I fucked Obama by voting for McCain" T shirts being sold (or "I fucked Obama by voting for Hillary", if this were primary season). There are worse ones focusing on his race/ethnicity, but none attacking his gender as far as I know. I agree that the T shirt isn't a big deal just based on the source, which is sort of meant to be ironic, but acting like this shirt would have been made for a guy if only he were better looking is bs.
Can't we just kiss, come, and NOT tell afterwards?
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