Slog - Comments on And the Snap Polls Say... http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say CNN: Obama won the debate, by a 24-point margin. CBS: 40 percent say Obama won, 35 percent say it was a draw, 27 percent say McCain won. Also making the rounds tonight, the non-handshake:... Copyright 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:06:49 -0800 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:36:02 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by clausti linky??

]]> clausti http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168019 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168019 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:10:57 -0800 Comment by matt CBS: 39% Obama / 27% McCain / 25% Tie

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/politics/horserace/entry4508356.shtml

]]> matt http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168020 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168020 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:12:53 -0800 Comment by Madashell "THAT ONE" has it in the bag.

]]> Madashell http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168022 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168022 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:13:59 -0800 Comment by matt Oops

39 / 27/ 35 (not 25)

]]> matt http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168024 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168024 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:14:35 -0800 Comment by PC it's okay to start calling him President Obama.

Now, how many Senate seats will we get?
You need 60 out of 100 to get things passed. Perhaps it's time to "have a conversation about" those cloture rules which require 60 votes out of 100, to cut off debate and pass something.

Really. Why would we let 40 GOP senators who represent less than 40% of the population block President Obama's proposed legislation?

]]> PC http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168027 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168027 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:19:08 -0800 Comment by Mr Fuzzy 27 say McCain won, you mean?

]]> Mr Fuzzy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168029 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168029 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:22:44 -0800 Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball Eli, does "That One" = "Makaka?"


]]> Jubilation T. Cornball http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168030 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168030 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:23:16 -0800 Comment by Chris in Tampa AOL poll results favor Obama right now too:

51/42/7

]]> Chris in Tampa http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168031 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168031 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:29:08 -0800 Comment by Judith I'm pretty sure they shook hands right as Tom Brokaw was reading his closing speech.

]]> Judith http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168033 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168033 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:32:08 -0800 Comment by sepiolida "No, no, here, shake my wife's hand. She's a dirty enough cunt to touch you..."

]]> sepiolida http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168034 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168034 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:34:28 -0800 Comment by raindrop Actually, Obama was most insensitive because he knows McCain cannot shake hands with his right hand because of the POW injuries. I'm surprised that Wolf at CNN didn't mention that.

]]> raindrop http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168039 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168039 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:37:16 -0800 Comment by Chris McCain's "that one" comment makes him look incredibly creepy.

]]> Chris http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168040 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168040 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:37:46 -0800 Comment by tiffany i switched to fox just to see the republican response...
and apparently mccain won the debate by 88%!

FAIL

]]> tiffany http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168041 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168041 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:38:56 -0800 Comment by Voter Raindrop, are you sure you aren't thinking of Bob Dole? It's hard to keep your elderly white faux-heroes straight.

In GOP land, all you have to do is crash a plane or get taken hostage to be a hero.

]]> Voter http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168043 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168043 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:43:54 -0800 Comment by kerri harrop McCain is not going to be able to live down "that one," and there is no way his campaign can spin it.

]]> kerri harrop http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168045 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168045 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:45:24 -0800 Comment by Patricia I sincerely hope that non-handshake was not as rude as it looked in that short clip. What kind of behavior is that from the possible future leader of the free world? I am appalled. Now maybe POWs don't shake hands or whatever, but still, McCain had to know that would be captured on tape, just like his "that one" comment. Has he given up?

]]> Patricia http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168046 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168046 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:45:56 -0800 Comment by Bento Raindrop @11 - I've only seen the liveblogs, but didn't they shake hands at the beginning?

]]> Bento http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168050 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168050 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:54:27 -0800 Comment by AJ @15: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/alexjon/thatone.jpg

]]> AJ http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168051 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168051 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:54:56 -0800 Comment by jcricket They shook hands right when the debate ended, but they were in front of the camera (this is right before brokaw says you're blocking my script).

Let's not be liberals and diffuse our anger. Focus on the "That One" comment.

]]> jcricket http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168052 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168052 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:56:22 -0800 Comment by Sargon Bighorn Wow John, that was really un-American.

]]> Sargon Bighorn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168054 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168054 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:03:26 -0800 Comment by elenchos I'm most open to direction on which parts of McCain's performance I may focus on or whether or not I have the okay to start calling him President Obama if you say it with my dick in your mouth. Otherwise, I'll do whatever the fuck I want. My main obsession is with Sarah Palin's fuckups, and in my spare time I wonder who the Trig's real mom is. By your leave.

Raindrop, how come when I go to Google images and search for 'mccain shaking hands' I see hundreds and hundreds of pictures of him shaking hands, with is right hand all normal like.

The one he is pictured shaking hands with most often is George W. Bush. Not sure if that means anything...

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168058 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168058 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:08:23 -0800 Comment by K I don't think McCain tapped Obama on the shoulder at all, I think he was waving at someone on the other side. Cause a tap on the shoulder from McCain on Obama is just weird...

]]> K http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168060 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168060 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:10:29 -0800 Comment by stinkbug
McCain (talking about the "bomb iran" joke): "I say -- I was joking with a veteran -- I hate to even go into this. I was joking with an old veteran friend, who joked with me, about Iran."

Reality: He said it in his initial answer in a q&a session in front of a crowd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

]]> stinkbug http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168064 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168064 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:24:04 -0800 Comment by Lloyd Clydesdale Maybe he had one of Bob Dole's pens.

]]> Lloyd Clydesdale http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168066 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168066 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:25:21 -0800 Comment by Reverse Polarity The "That One" comment is worth being offended by. McCain deserves to be called on it.

The handshake, or lack thereof, is a non-event. Maybe the camera just missed it. Maybe McCain spaced it off. There have been many occasions where I have forgotten to shake someone's hand at a social event, or I've stuck my hand out and miss-timed it, or inadvertently grabbed someone's hand awkwardly. It happens to everyone. Making a big deal out of it is stupid.

Pay attention to the important stuff, not the silly handshake.

]]> Reverse Polarity http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168070 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168070 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:32:12 -0800 Comment by cespool That One '08!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31194566@N03/2923832616/

]]> cespool http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168072 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168072 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:35:55 -0800 Comment by Jonathan Golob I had to miss it. Can someone describe the "that one" comment by McCain? In context.

]]> Jonathan Golob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168076 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168076 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:43:13 -0800 Comment by Jonathan Golob Holy crap! I just found a clip on youtube of "that one."

Egads.

]]> Jonathan Golob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168079 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168079 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:49:45 -0800 Comment by Zander Further proof McCain's mind is still in the '60s.

That boy took my love away,
He'll regret it someday,
But this boy wants you back again.

That boy isn't good for you,
Tho' he may want you too,
This boy wants you back again.

Oh, and this boy would be happy,
Just to love you, but oh my-yi-yi-yi,
That boy won't be happy,
Till he's seen you cry-hi-hi-hi.

This boy wouldn't mind the pain,
Would always feel the same,
If this boy gets you back again.
This boy. This boy. this boy.

]]> Zander http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168080 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168080 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:50:06 -0800 Comment by Seajay I didn't SEE it, but it was carried live on BBC Newsradio's "Up All Night." I don't buy into "win/lose" talk on these 'debates'--the 'winners' or 'losers' will be the American people at the end of the Administration of whoever wins the election--but I think each did a fair job of representing his position and making himself clear.

]]> Seajay http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168083 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168083 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:52:42 -0800 Comment by Brad He can definitely shake with his right hand. The Seattletimes.com site has a pic of the two of them shaking at the beginning of the debate.

Something funny was going on there at the end.

]]> Brad http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168084 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168084 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:53:36 -0800 Comment by fixo @ 11 and @19 are right I think--they were shaking hands while Brokaw was wrapping up--their handshake was what blocked Brokaw's view of the the screen. it was the cameraman who screwed this up. there is no way they would not have shaked (shaken? shooken?) hands.

]]> fixo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168092 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168092 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:18:40 -0800 Comment by stinkbug - they started to do a shake of sorts while Tom was ending the show. the shaking may have been interrupted.
- everyone went around shaking hands with the audience.
- mccain taps BO's back because he wanted BO to "meet" Cindy.
- Obama turns ahead and extends a hand to McCain.
- McCain mutters something about cindy and Obama turns to her and mccain finishes pointing towards her.
- Obama then is nice enough to shake the hand of the person who just earlier today claimed that BO has "waged the dirtiest campaign in American history."

It didn't seem like McCain did a major diss. Some people shake several times before leaving an event and BO may have been expecting that. But McCain just wanted BO to check out his foxy wife.

]]> stinkbug http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168095 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168095 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:31:15 -0800 Comment by Seajay I did wonder about the part where Mr Obama said he was "going to lower income tax for 95% of Americans." 2007 figures available from the Internal Revenue Service's Income Statistics Division show that only 67.4% of Americans pay any income tax. Perhaps he means 95% OF the 67%?

]]> Seajay http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168096 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168096 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:36:35 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Neat.

Oh, hey, Paul Constant broke the reply link on his post on SLOG.

The one where Republicans are tearing up their signs.

Save the wood - you're going to need it this winter until January 21 rolls around.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168100 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168100 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:46:04 -0800 Comment by Bob I like how Slog commenters don't overanalyze stuff. Way cool.

]]> Bob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168102 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168102 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:50:40 -0800 Comment by flamingbanjo @34: I'm pretty sure he means to draw a line at the 95% income mark. If he said he was lowering taxes for 62% of Americans (your figure minus the top 5%) people would think he meant if the were doing just slightly better than average he would raise their taxes. Americans aren't particularly good at math, and most people seem to think they're doing slightly better than average.

It would perhaps be technically more accurate but the message would be completely lost.

]]> flamingbanjo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168105 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168105 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:59:33 -0800 Comment by zzzzz neither the handshake confusion nor the "that one" comment are of any major significance. just minor awkwardness.

it doesn't help to make a bunch of noise about something petty. focus on the big stuff, please.

]]> zzzzz http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168106 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168106 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:01:06 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle I hear one of McCain's houses is in Paraguay.

He's gonna need it.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168108 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168108 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:04:58 -0800 Comment by Joe M PC, cloture isn't going away and shouldn't be. In fact, the rule used to require a 2/3 supermajority to end debate in the Senate; in the 70's it was eased to 60 votes. It's an antidote to the way the House railroads stuff through (remember 1995?).

Pain in the ass when you're the majority, but important safeguard when you're not.

]]> Joe M http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168110 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168110 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:15:09 -0800 Comment by UnCommonSense @38
The "That One" comment is noteworty because John McCain is a known bigot.

]]> UnCommonSense http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168121 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/and_the_snap_polls_say#c1168121 2008 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:36:02 -0800