Slog - Comments on Youth Pastor Watch http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78 Very sad story, and local, and not YPW's usual fare. Washington State Patrol troopers believe [24-year-old Preston] Newby was placing a 9-1-1 call at an accident on Interstate 5 when he was struck by a car and killed Monday night outside Toledo, Wash. “It’s one of those things where a good Samaritan gets hurt,” said Washington State Trooper Dave Bourland. “It’s a tragedy, and it happens out there.” Newby, a Tualatin resident who worked as a youth pastor at Lake Bible Church, was traveling to Canada with his pregnant wife Tera and toddler son Jacob when the tragedy occurred. The... Copyright 2008 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:01:24 -0800 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:31:44 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by danielbennettkieneker This is terrible news.

Please don't text and drive or swerve off your mission in hopes of finding the magjick lotto symposiums at the expence of translations you cannot afford because of the weight in their souls.....

Can't you see it's raining here?

]]> danielbennettkieneker http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1146961 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1146961 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:07:56 -0800 Comment by Anne I think you mean "fare."

And you're the "editor"?

]]> Anne http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1146969 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1146969 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:29:06 -0800 Comment by Tiny Dancer He's not the "copy editor," or the "proofreader," and for good reason. You, however, are a "b*tch."

]]> Tiny Dancer http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1146978 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1146978 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:51:36 -0800 Comment by dawicksta This happened to a friend of mine also - a minister who died on his way to a pastor convention; his wife and children, two years later, are still in the trenches of grief. He was set to baptize their new baby soon that weekend. This thing that happened to this family really sucks and your kind thoughts toward them in this post are appreciated. One thing my friend's wife has continued to help the youth of the congregation (and anyone in the congregation as he wasn't just the youth minister) is his myspace. I didn't know how to feel about it really, when she asked me to visit it, but it made me realize in a profound way what a new era we have entered, even in the ways we cope with grief! May the peace that passes understanding come to this family to get through the awful days ahead.

]]> dawicksta http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1146979 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1146979 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:52:03 -0800 Comment by mj Sad story!

Hugs to you Dan for posting it. That was very sweet.

]]> mj http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1146987 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1146987 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:14:22 -0800 Comment by Bob So, youth pastors do thousands of good acts around the country every single day, probably keep more than a few kids from serious trouble - be it suicide or drugs or etc, and it takes one actually tragically dying (which to Savage is prolly sad-neutral, see: good news/bad news) to get something other than his usual histrionic and self righteous recountings of deviance under the YPW banner.

What a frickin saint.

]]> Bob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147002 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147002 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:19:19 -0800 Comment by Sargon Bighorn Oh Bob (#6) if youth pastors and the RR were not such self righteous monsters when it comes to Americans they don't like (Gay-Americans for example) I'm sure Mr. Savage would not need to remind us of their dark, hypocritical, and evil side. Mr. Savage has never impressed me as Self-righteous as he's never claimed to be righteous. I'm not sure anyone knows what you are talking about. I'm not sure even you know.

]]> Sargon Bighorn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147011 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147011 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:42:16 -0800 Comment by Wolf Thank you #7. You saved me the typing.

]]> Wolf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147016 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147016 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:49:07 -0800 Comment by Leslie N. These usually disgust me, this one does, but in a much different way then usual. Poor guy, poor kid, and poor pregnant wife.

@6 You don't need to be such a dick when Dan is posting news about a man dying, leaving behind a son who won't remember his father and a woman who will have a child that won't ever know its father.

]]> Leslie N. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147032 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147032 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:46:43 -0800 Comment by Bob Well, if you people are so weak minded that you truly believe that the incredibly rare exception makes the rule, then I don't know what I can type to help such dumbasses get it. I'll give Savage credit for typing down to his fans and snowing them with his moronic anecdotes = evidence stupidity, but seriously, and I'm not even religious at all and can't stand most bible thumpers, most youth pastors help out a lot of kids. I know moral codes scare many of you, but for adolescents they aren't a bad thing at all.

]]> Bob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147033 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147033 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:01:18 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage I am a bad man. Please don't read my blog.

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147040 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147040 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:59:38 -0800 Comment by whatevernevermind @10 You can keep repeating your completely unsubstantiated personal opinion about youth pastors, but Youth Pastor Watch and my personal experience with my former youth pastor say differently. I'm going with the facts here, thanks.

Until you can prove otherwise, and you can't, the correct assertion would be that some -- not most -- youth pastors help out a lot of kids. And some -- not most -- do a lot of damage. And it's most likely that most youth pastors are either humored or ignored or simply not impacting their communities at all.

But as long as certain organized religions are enemies to certain people, their hypocrisy will be called out.

Here's some free advice: don't accuse others of self-righteousness when you're being self-righteous, don't refer to the stupidity of others when you're being stupid, and don't preach to others about a moral code when yours includes being judgmental, angry and insulting.

]]> whatevernevermind http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147041 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147041 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:02:38 -0800 Comment by Bob @12, you sure got me with that astounding display of "I know you are but what am I"

It's going to be a long hard road of blog commenting to gain back my self esteem. I'm starting now though. One comment at a time.

]]> Bob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147061 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147061 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:34:32 -0800 Comment by Vince Jesus kills.

]]> Vince http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147105 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147105 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:47:21 -0800 Comment by Anne Thanks for calling me a bitch, Tiny Dancer.

Your opinion means a lot to me, so I'm clearly going to search my soul today, and do some deep thinking on why I'm such a bad person. I don't want to be a bitch.

Meantime, we all notice that Dan changed the spelling of his post, so apparently he does value proofreading -- but only after posting, and if someone else does it.

I have made a note now of how this blog works. The other writers proof for themselves, and the readers proof for Dan.

]]> Anne http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147118 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147118 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:12:08 -0800 Comment by Vince @15 C..t!

]]> Vince http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147158 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147158 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:45:10 -0800 Comment by Epimetheus @15, Anne, will you marry me?

Bureau of Intellectual Titans Crushing Hypocrisy

]]> Epimetheus http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147201 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147201 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:17:49 -0800 Comment by Anne Hmmmm... Let's see, what is Vince calling me exactly?

Colt?
Cult?
Curt?
Cart?
Cert?
Cent?
Clot?
Clit?
Coot?

Which could it be?

Dan-defenders are so clever!

]]> Anne http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147211 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1147211 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:02:29 -0800 Comment by friend of the family It truly breaks my heart that the focus of these comments has gone from condolences and greif to self-righteous preaching. Put down your opinions for once and be humble, or at least take your arguments somewhere else (to a post about religious freedom, for example). I'm not posting this comment to condemn but rather ask for everyone who IS commenting to respect the family, whether or not you agree with what they believe...and perhaps that respect should be by posting elsewhere if your only goal is to be heard and not to comfort.

...We lost an amazing man last week; one who was gracious, humble, strong and filled with joy and love for people. I know this because I knew him and am friends with Tara. I can testify to their depth of character and their priorities that place others before themselves. Please do the same in return. With love and respect, ashley.


]]> friend of the family http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1148734 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/youth_pastor_watch_78#c1148734 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:31:44 -0800