Still, nice to know that may be an option someday. Thanks for the link!

What kind of question is that anyhow?

However, more seriously, in case anyone's actually thinking about jumping ship: if you're doing the immigration process where that matters, you're already doing it wrong. American citizenship allows you NAFTA benefits, and combining that with provincial nomination can get you in the door immediately cut your wait on permanent residency from 4 years to 6-9 months. (I should have my Canadian PR by the end of the year.)

Maybe Canada will consider liberals in America political refugess if McCain wins? We gotta start thinking about this stuff, just in case.

I'll also point out that this shows another huge difference between Canada and the US: Canada actively encourages immigration, and Canada doesn't have this "shut the border" attitude.

Happily, dual citizenship is a good thing, so while you all stand in line while this fundamentally unserious country (Sara Palin really is the nail in the coffin) goes to hell in a hand cart.

I was born here, I'm as much American as John-fucking-McCain, even though I never fought for that right.

Well, I'm fighting now. The rest of you should nut up and fight with me.

Montreal is pretty affordable, or so I hear.

@19,

I believe New Zealand is pretty similar to Canada. They're happy to take in educated, skilled immigrants. I wouldn't want to move to Australia with their water issues that could go on for some time.

Because you get extra immigration points for it, no matter what province you move to. Plus, Quebec as usual does what it likes and has a parallel provincial immigration criteria, for which french literacy is a big deal, no doubt. Even if you don't want to live in Quebec long term, a few years in Montreal won't kill ya.

Then again, the Liberals have been as inept as the Democrats as of late. I mean, who the hell would think that Stephane Dion is a good leader anyway?

You know where else is nice? Mexico!

Love,
Canada

PR as a skilled worker currently has a waiting list of 18 months to two years.

2 - The Conservatives just made some huge errors in judgement, and they haven't been able to woo the right people in Ontario. At worst they will get another minority govt. At the best, we'll get another Liberal minority. But yeah, the CONS are about as conservative as Hillary Clinton.

3 - US lawyers are covered under NAFTA and don't require a work permit if you can find a job in Canada. Canada recognizes all same-sex relationships as common-law, so a partner could qualify to come to Canada as the partner of a qualified applicant.

4 - The easiest way to get to Canada is by marriage. Though, you can marry a boy or a girl, no matter what your orientation.

5 - Just get America's shit together, please. My husband is American, and he'd like to return to the US some day. I'm the one digging in my heels, and now that he's getting an education that costs 1/4 of what it costs in the US, he's sticking it out here in Vancouver as well.

Personally, I'd take all the liberal Americans we can get. It's too late for the October election, but maybe next time we can knock Haper and his Conservatives out on their asses. They so have to go.

Seriously, we have our own election issues up here, as well. But I wouldn't trade for yours. I think Obama is not strong enough to win this one. It will be a shame.

here's some options for ya:

1)come up with new material; the moving to Canada shit is tired.
2)quit whining and crying and go make a donation to the Dems or get on the phones or do something productive.
3)or, have the brains to realize that we're in the post Republican bounce period; it's 8 weeks to the election and we haven't had any debates yet and McCain/Palin aren't very brainy; Obama is still leading electorally by quite a bit; and the Dems are very competitive in states that haven't gone Dem in quite a long time like VA, NC, IN, NV, MT, ND. And the Jews and Catholic Cubans of Florida are NOT going to groove on the Republican ticket this year due to Palin's choice of church.
4)Chill the fuck out.

Wish the bf wasn't so cold-a-phobic....

70. Like everyone else, proud to be better (or at least more Canadian), than Dan.

What would Sarah Palin score vs. Obama-whats the spread?

They have civil unions and a good track record on GLBT issues.

It's more than just electoral politics. I've travelled a fair amount, and there's just something seriously wrong with the American people in comparison to Canadians and Europeans. As a society we have a fundamental lack of reasoning skills, empathy and basic human decency.

Culturally, it all goes back to the way our nation was founded: Slavery and genocide.

Europe: Romans/Celts/Mongol hordes/various barbarians all practicing slavery and genocide.

Canada: Britain/France both quite active in the slave trade and both slaughtered/subjegated the natives.

New Zealand: Britain, though by the time NZ was being seriously colonialized the Brits were winding down their slave traffic...of course there's the whole penal colony thing in Australia and the eradication of Aboriginals and Maoris.

@35 No fuck you! I'm gay, and I'm tired of being a second class citizen.

I'd also likely try to line up a job offer ahead of time, netting another 10.

Canada, despite what the trend is, isn't a two party system. More people need to remember parties like the NDP and Green, and start seriously considering, you know, voting for one of them. There are choices other than USA-South and Scandal-land!

(Also, I got a 72, mostly because I'm still a student.)

You're right. Maybe 51% of Americans are just genetically meaner and stupider than everyone else.

And let's recall that it was the UK that put down the slave trade, not the US.

So despite the fact I failed miserably, I say to you all- ha. ha.

Permanent residency pretty much has all the advantages of citizenship except that they'll deport you if they think you're a terrorist.

If you're a citizen it's called an extradition or an extraordinary rendition rather than a deportation. So one does earn that comfort.