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Friday, September 5, 2008

Right and Wrong

posted by on September 5 at 16:12 PM

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So far, Erica and Annie are in the right; Jen is in the wrong:


One of the most intriguing questions about the Alaska governor’s sudden arrival on the national scene has been what impact it’ll have on women voters — especially those who supported Clinton.

Palin made an overture to those voters in her first speech after being chosen by McCain.

Will the pitch work?

Evidence so far shows that Palin is not drawing a lot of support from voters outside the Republican base.

An ABC News poll released Friday found the selection of Palin makes people likelier to vote for McCain by just 6 percentage points — half the 12-point margin by which Sen. Joe Biden makes them more likely to support Obama.


I’m telling you, Republicans were just gassing themselves over Palin. As for the nation? Nothing more than good stand-up comedy.

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Does anyone else get gay vibes from Alaska's first gentleman?

Posted by Acolyte | September 5, 2008 4:44 PM
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But there is this, which is somewhat distressing: http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20080905/pl_rasmussen/palinpower20080905

I'm assuming those numbers will start to deflate after the VP debate, but still . . .

Posted by Levislade | September 5, 2008 4:48 PM
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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | September 5, 2008 4:49 PM
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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | September 5, 2008 4:54 PM
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The Clintonistas I know who won't vote for Barack won't vote for Palin. Had he put another man on the ticket they may have voted for McCain, but they think Palin's nomination is cynical.

Posted by elswinger | September 5, 2008 4:55 PM
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Nobody ever talks about what a total DILF Todd Palin isssss

Posted by Non | September 5, 2008 5:01 PM
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If by "gay," you mean gay Nazi, then yes.

Posted by CommonKnowledge | September 5, 2008 5:02 PM
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maybe Palin was selected to congeal the base and bring every single Republican or conservative woman out to vote in hopes that will give them an advantage.

Posted by nos | September 5, 2008 5:06 PM
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But then there's Chrissie Peters. The 37-year-old librarian from Bristol, Tenn. has always voted Democratic and supported Clinton. She assumed she'd vote for Obama — until she saw Palin speak. Now she's voting Republican.

"She was so down-to-earth, a regular person," says Peters. "She hasn't been in politics her whole life, so she isn't jaded or tainted. And I love that she's a mom. Yes, I disagree with some of her positions, but that's what this country is about."

Pure idiocy. I wonder if this person can name ONE issue on which she agrees with Palin.

Posted by w7ngman | September 5, 2008 5:06 PM
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Does anyone else notice how satanic the littlest daughter looks? I fear for my safety just looking at her. I think she wants to eat me.

Posted by ryan | September 5, 2008 5:09 PM
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Michael Moore finally gets something right…

“But before everyone gets all smug and self-righteous about the Palin selection, remember where you live. You live in a nation of gun owners and hunters. You live in a country where one out of three girls get pregnant before they are 20. You live in a nation of C students. Knocking Bush for being a C student only endeared him to the nation of C students. Knock Palin for having kids, for having a kid who's having a baby, for anything that is part of her normalness -- a normalness that looks very familiar to so many millions of Americans -- well, you do this at your own peril. Assuming she's still on the ticket two weeks from now, she will be a much tougher opponent than anyone expects. You live in a country that voted for Dan Quayle.”

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | September 5, 2008 5:10 PM
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Does anyone else notice how satanic the littlest daughter looks? I fear for my safety just looking at her. I think she wants to eat me.

Posted by ryan | September 5, 2008 5:10 PM
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Men like her better than women, by far. She is totally Dan Quayle, although now we have to endure putting -ILF on everything.

Posted by threnody | September 5, 2008 5:18 PM
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Michael Moore finally gets something right…

“But before everyone gets all smug and self-righteous about the Palin selection, remember where you live. You live in a nation of gun owners and hunters. You live in a country where one out of three girls get pregnant before they are 20. You live in a nation of C students. Knocking Bush for being a C student only endeared him to the nation of C students. Knock Palin for having kids, for having a kid who's having a baby, for anything that is part of her normalness -- a normalness that looks very familiar to so many millions of Americans -- well, you do this at your own peril. Assuming she's still on the ticket two weeks from now, she will be a much tougher opponent than anyone expects. You live in a country that voted for Dan Quayle.”

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | September 5, 2008 5:18 PM
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When Palin's affair comes out those numbers will start to go down.

Posted by Fnarf | September 5, 2008 5:18 PM
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@9--Yikes, that's scary. I don't understand people who elect leaders solely because they seem like nice, ordinary people. It's not like that woman is ever going to hang out and swap parenting tips with Sarah Palin.

Posted by madamecrow | September 5, 2008 5:19 PM
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I would totally heed these warnings about McCain's chances if only I could stop laughing. Totally I so would.

Posted by elenchos | September 5, 2008 5:22 PM
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@8, that's pretty much what's happened, at least according to my personal anecdotal evidence.

My lovely but Evangelical mother was NOT enthused about McCain. I encouraged this by discretely informing her about McCain's multiple godless indiscretions, and talking about "What a sincere, truly Christian man" Obama is.

Shut up. I was hoping at worst she'd not vote at all, at best go over to Obama. And I almost had her, too! Her only qualm about Obama was "He just seems too good to be true."

Palin shows up...party's over. My mother's convinced the media is biased against Poor Sarah, and that she's truly just a good ol' girl from the country, no foolin'.

In the end, I doubt my mother would have ever brought herself to vote for a pro-choice candidate...but I honestly think if McCain hadn't picked Palin, there would have been at least one evangelical who would have stayed home in November.

Posted by Karla | September 5, 2008 5:24 PM
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Fasten your strait-jackets, folks, it's just gonna get nuttier from here.

And give those "approval" numbers on Palin some time. First impressions based on one speech are one thing, but when all the trash comes tumbling out...

Posted by Andy Niable | September 5, 2008 5:25 PM
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I would totally heed these warnings about McCain's chances if only I could stop laughing. Totally I so would.

Posted by elenchos | September 5, 2008 5:25 PM
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Posted by John Bailo | September 5, 2008 5:28 PM
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@10,

Yes. Eep.


Despite Palin's favorability, pollsters aren't seeing much of an increase in voter preference for McCain. So people apparently like her, but don't give much of a shit that she's McCain's running mate.

And, yeah, the guy she allegedly had an affair with just asked to have his divorce records sealed. Oops.

Posted by keshmeshi | September 5, 2008 5:33 PM
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Everyone should be very concerned when I tell you there is a reason the GOP will not allow her to talk to the press or have a one on one interview. Everyone should be extremely suspicious why the GOP and McCain doesn't want her exposed to the national mainstream media. If that doesn't send up a huge red warning flag, I don't know what does.


Posted by Uganik Hideaway | September 5, 2008 5:34 PM
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Palin seems to be serving her intended purpose of giving the crucial shit-for-brains voting bloc something to talk about. Expect her numbers to come back down in a week or two when a squirrel scampers across their path and distracts them.

Posted by flamingbanjo | September 5, 2008 5:41 PM
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Juneau is such a pit. I think that's probably the only time the whole Palin clan has been in town.

Posted by max solomon | September 5, 2008 5:42 PM
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Interestingly, I was rather cool on her. (Wanted Lieberman.) But the more I read Slog, the more I like her...

Anyone that can cause this much hysteria should be kept around if only for entertainment value.

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | September 5, 2008 5:46 PM
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HRClinton and SPalin really are like, two different people. O.M.G. like, newsflash people. A.A.AH.

I find it not very cordial, to use a nice/civil word like the Rs requested, to think women want, well for a lack of a better word choice, the new Barbie.

HEY GIRLS, ITS THE NEW CARIBOU BARBIE, MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM GREAT-UNCLE McSAME.

pluueezze, mcsame : the same from coast to coast and administration to administration.

Posted by Phenics | September 5, 2008 5:52 PM
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As long as Palin can avoid talking to the press she will scare the sane and endear herself to the insane.

Posted by elswinger | September 5, 2008 5:55 PM
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I cannot wait for the VP debates. Can. Not. Wait.

And seriously folks, has anyone ever utterered those words in the history of elections? I think not.

Posted by Julie in Chicago | September 5, 2008 5:59 PM
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Anyone try to google-news Sarah Palin?

I did it the other day, using the timeline feature. I was specifically looking for news about work she had done in Alaska in the last year, *before the nomination. Nothing. There are no stories available, not even one, for much of this year.

Had I been desperate to know, I would have checked other databases, and I doubt that other newspaper DBs expunged their records, but given that I can find my aunt's car accident in 1956, I'm sorry to see that even google is participating in the news/reality blackout regarding Palin.

(and to spare myself the know-it-trolls, I don't think google is god, yes I know they are in China not doing the right thing, but this can still be a new shade of not-right.)

Posted by creepy | September 5, 2008 6:07 PM
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Palin is smart and very ambitious. She will do well in a debate if she is prepared. In her debate with Tony Knowles during the AK governor's race she pretty much knocked him off his chair and out of the race. Don't discount her. She must be placed in front of reporters and asked to explain her actions and beliefs. If this is accomplished, I think we'll see a Sarah Palin much different than portrayed by the reading of one speech at the GOP convention and subsequent repeats of the same speech given today in Wisconsin. For once, the mainstrean press and media must do their job.

Posted by Uganik Hideaway | September 5, 2008 6:13 PM
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Looking forward to the VP debates. No matter how tight of a leash they keep on her, there will be leaks. There's a reason they have two books of George W. Bush-isms. Besides, Biden can tear her up if he needs to...and he would.

Posted by Leslie N. | September 5, 2008 6:24 PM
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You people disgust me.

Posted by Chalupa Alcatraz-Bailo | September 5, 2008 6:37 PM
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@31 - no shit she's ambitious. But do you know something in particular about her, or do you just think she'll come across poorly if questioned by reporters?

One of my fave details is that Lt. Gov. Parnell is running for US Rep. Young's position, which means Palin accepted the VP candidacy without there being a clear line of succession in Alaska.

(If people want to research Palin try adn.com.)

Posted by asteria | September 5, 2008 6:42 PM
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I know it's hard to keep it all straight - but a flourish I keep running across that particularly funny? Referring to "Troopergate" as an "October Surprise."

An investigation that was started in July, in which Palin was scheduled to testify in September, following which the judgement was to be rendered in October. All of this was known before she was nominated. How does this, then, qualify as a surprise? Is this like the surprise of Bin Laden attacking the US after Bush was briefed that he was planning to attack the US?

How much warning, exactly, do Neocons need?

Posted by John Galt | September 5, 2008 6:56 PM
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Is is true that Trick, or Truck (or whatever the name of the poor soul that Todd and Sarah sold to the Military-Industrial complex) had a choice of either jail or the army because he got caught shoplifting vodka? And that he ran away from home, and spent his senior year in Michigan?

Posted by Mother of the Year! | September 5, 2008 7:20 PM
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"But do you know something in particular about her, or do you just think she'll come across poorly if questioned by reporters?"

In the past, I don't think she has ever been comfortable or came across very well when she had to explain her actions or beliefs. Look at her past behavior when confronted with an unpopular issue....aka the attempt to fire the town librarian in
in Wasilla. At some point in time she'll have to explain her position on the Ketchikan to Gravina Island bridge and why she utilized the bridge's earmarked money for other projects in Alaska. Folks in Wisconsin and Ohio are not going to be happy to learn she didn't give their tax dollars back to the federal governemnt after her supposedly being against the bridge......after she was for it. I think she going to have a tough sell in front of the media, and I believe it is THE reason the GOP will do all it can to cloister Sarah from the media.


Posted by Uganik Hideaway | September 5, 2008 7:20 PM
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Leave Sarah Palin ALONE! Her daughter got knocked up at 17 and she's just trying to take care of the baby.... Leave her alone, all you care about is what you want from her, well what about HER NEEDS...

Posted by Sargon Bighorn | September 5, 2008 8:55 PM
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Posted by RHETT ORACLE | September 5, 2008 9:18 PM
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Hmmmm...Trick/truck/sack disappeared. Bristol got knocked up. Sara covered for her by acting like she dropped the load, and the baby has "downs syndrome"....

What exactly is the result of a baby from siblings?

Posted by Mother of the Year! | September 5, 2008 9:33 PM
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What exactly is the result of a baby from siblings?
Trisomy has nothing whatsoever to do with the relatedness of the parents.
Posted by Furcifer | September 6, 2008 12:09 AM
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An interesting note on my workplace's token outspoken conservative: He hated Hillary 'like my ex-wife' Clinton for sexist reasons, and loves Sarah "my sarah" Palin for sexist reasons. As for the debate, I agree she just might do very very well against Biden. Lest we forget, Biden is a big gaffey gaffe machine.

Posted by christopher | September 6, 2008 1:11 AM
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I apologize if it's a double-post... An interesting note on my workplace's token outspoken conservative: He hated Hillary 'like my ex-wife' Clinton for sexist reasons, and loves Sarah "my sarah" Palin for sexist reasons. As for the debate, I agree she just might do very very well against Biden. Lest we forget, Biden is a big gaffey gaffe machine.

Posted by christopher | September 6, 2008 1:29 AM
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@15 - which of the affairs, Fnarf.

His or hers?

Personally, I think the combo is going to do them in.

Posted by Will in Seattle | September 6, 2008 2:33 AM
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"Lest we forget, Biden is a big gaffey gaffe machine"...

In 1987 he had to end his Presidential campaign after he was caught (apparently) plagiarizing a speech by then leader of the British Labor Party Neil Kinnock. Not a new thing for Biden who, during his time as a law student at Syracuse, (apparently) plagiarized a law review article.

He also lied about his grades in law school, claiming to have graduated in the "top half" of his class when he actually graduated 76th out of 85.

Speaking about his Obama in 2007 he said: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."

In a July 2006 remark about Indian Americans he mused: "I've had a great relationship. In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

In 2004 it was Biden who urged John McCain to run with Kerry and has recently suggested that he would have considered being McCain's running mate saying "I would be honored to run with or against John McCain because I think the country would be better off".

Last year he denounced Obama's poor foreign policy judgment and proclaimed that "Barack Obama is not ready to be president"'

Gaffey McGafferton indeed! - I can't wait...

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | September 6, 2008 4:14 AM
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"Lest we forget, Biden is a big gaffey gaffe machine"...

In 1987 he had to end his Presidential campaign after he was caught (apparently) plagiarizing a speech by then leader of the British Labor Party Neil Kinnock. Not a new thing for Biden who, during his time as a law student at Syracuse, (apparently) plagiarized a law review article.

He also lied about his grades in law school, claiming to have graduated in the "top half" of his class when he actually graduated 76th out of 85.

Speaking about his Obama in 2007 he said: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."

In a July 2006 remark about Indian Americans he mused: "I've had a great relationship. In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

In 2004 it was Biden who urged John McCain to run with Kerry and has recently suggested that he would have considered being McCain's running mate saying "I would be honored to run with or against John McCain because I think the country would be better off".

Last year he denounced Obama's poor foreign policy judgment and proclaimed that "Barack Obama is not ready to be president".

Gaffey McGafferton indeed! - Can't wait...

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | September 6, 2008 4:33 AM
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Satanic children. Scandals we are assured that will come out -- but haven't. She will flail about in debates.

Uh-huh, you hope so.

Meanwhile many are ignoring poll movements not only do we have CBS (even steven)a nd Rasmussen (w/n margin of error) we also have the Gallup daily tracking poll (you kow, the one that Slog posts whenever it shows Obama at a peak, and which is ignored the rest of the time) showing that McCain has taken away half of that eight point lead we saw a few days ago. This before the full effect of Palin is felt.

The bottom line is McCain made a bolkd nonconventional pick while Obama made a dull, safe pick. Everyone's picking at Palin yet I have yet to hear one single person explain why it was bad for her to (a) oust a corupt state party chair (b) oust a corrupt governor (c) increase the burden on oil companies putting another thousand bucks or so in pockets of Alaskans and (d) break some kind of logjam in getting that gas pipeline to move forward (addresses price of gas, environment, infrastructure, foreign oil dependence, etc.) (note to Canada: when we depend on YOU for 40% of our energy, annexeation is not far behind!)

So instead you see the intense drive to find something, anything to bash her with. Her daughter's preggers. Her kid licked her hand. She's afraid to go on MTP. She has some scandal but the people who tell us this can't tell us the details and it hasn't come out yet.

All this just boosts her up because it's unfair.

The more you focus on Palin the less shelf space we are giving to Obama's economic message which he needs to sharpen and hone and make more specific and have more ten word sound bites.

His meme about McCain voting 90% for Bush so who wants a 10% chance of change is totally over the head of these swing voters requiring them to do math and being the kind of subtle intellectual "winning" debating point that convinces ultra liberals and political junkies only.

How is Obama going to help the family budget in Scranton and Youngstown? How much a tax break? How much help on gas prices, college loans, saving the housing system?

we don't want to take a ten percent chance on change SUCKS as a message.

And the safe, boring Biden pick is now shown up for what it is: change-NOT.

That's what he gets for being to unconfident and too weak to pick Clinton.

Now taking this into account I welcome your brilliant ideas about to get to that sweeping change election we were promised.

I don't think praying and hoping for a Palin meltdown or sex scandal is much of a plan; it reveals huge fear, and weakness.

Posted by PC | September 6, 2008 9:15 AM
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Politico:

"The Obama campaign,

alarmed by Palin’s instant popularity,

has given Clinton’s staff a proposed fall campaign schedule in economically distressed battleground states — including Ohio and Pennsylvania — where [Clinton] did well during the primaries."

Other sources: Biden taking the day off today.

Posted by PC encore | September 6, 2008 9:19 AM
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Well, at least Biden thinks and talks. What's Sarah said lately that hasn't come directly off of a teleprompter?

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay | September 6, 2008 10:12 AM
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From The Smoking Gun:

"One Palin Mystery Solved

Privacy, not intrigue, behind pol pal's bid to seal divorce records

SEPTEMBER 5--So why did an associate of Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's husband file an emergency court motion Wednesday to seal all the documents in his divorce case? As followers of the Palin feeding frenzy know, the National Enquirer this week reported the "incredible allegation" that Palin had an extramarital affair with an unnamed former "business partner" of her husband. Once the politician's husband Todd learned of the purported affair, an Enquirer source claimed, he "quickly dissolved his friendship and his business associations with the guy." So when the blogosphere discovered today (via an online court docket) that Scott Richter, a Palin associate, personally filed a sealing motion in Alaska Superior Court, well, conclusions were jumped to. Was Sarah Palin named as the other woman in a messy divorce action? Well, since Richter's September 3 motion, a copy of which you'll find below, was denied yesterday, his divorce filings remain open to the public. And a TSG review of the 98-page file shows that the Palins are only mentioned in Richter's sealing request. According to the filing, Richter wanted the documents deemed confidential in a bid to cloak details about his home, workplace, and phone numbers because "reporters and news agencies" were using that information to contact him. Richter, a 39-year-old contractor, noted that he is "friends and land owners in a remote cabin" with the Palins and, as a result, journalists were intruding on the "cabin life and private life" of him and his 11-year-old son."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0905083palin1.html

Well, so much for that one...

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | September 6, 2008 11:43 AM
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Sarah Palin, Bad GOP Punchline And Queen Esther Du Jour

But seriously folks, why isn't Palin's membership in an Alaska separatist group not on the front page? Where is the picture of a pregnant Sarah Palin from 2007? We have all seen the pics of the preggo daughter from back then...oh, wait, shall we believe you or our lying eyes, yet she is a shameless advocate for abstinence only sex education...why isn't this stuff the only news story? Wife of a BP exec, but supposedly she is a maverick who took on the oil companies? More like took on America to steal Alaska for Royal Dutch Shell and British Petroleum.
This stuff is crazy outrageous, yet where is the reporting???
Ethnic Jew Sarah Palin has certainly galvanized the American Zionist controlled media's support for the GOP ticket. All the frothy adoration she has received for reading a speech written for her illustrates to the American people the problem not just in Washington DC, but nation wide, with the Zionist Jews monopoly of our news media.
Without the help of folks like the likudniks at El WaPo, TIME, the NYT, Fox Jews etc the lying Zionist scum who took over our nation in 2000 would never have been able to trick the American people into war for Israe-oil.
We need not only a loyal American federal government, which John McNasty and Sarah Payola do not represent, we need to flush out Bolshevik Jew propagandists in our news media.

Posted by Shootingsparks | September 6, 2008 11:43 AM
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I know its easy to get distracted with all of the gossip, but shouldn't we be considering the new definition for palin ... I mean it's got to be a verb for something? right?

Posted by formerly OR Matt | September 6, 2008 5:56 PM
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Gallup Daily (you know, the one that Slog posts whenever it shows Obama at a peak, and which is ignored the rest of the time): McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45%

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | September 7, 2008 7:35 PM
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To "PC" (post #47)...how much do you get paid by the McCain campaign to post responses like this one?

"Rasmussen(w/n margin of error)..."???

"His meme..."???

Your politi-speak gives you away.

What a sad existence you must have, lying and spinning all day, I feel sorry for you and your ilk.

Posted by Strippers_for_Palin | September 8, 2008 4:33 AM
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To "PC" (post #47)...how much do you get paid by the McCain campaign to post responses like this one?

"Rasmussen(w/n margin of error)..."???

"His meme..."???

Your politi-speak gives you away.

What a sad existence you must have, lying and spinning all day, I feel sorry for you and your ilk.

Posted by Strippers_for_Palin | September 8, 2008 4:50 AM

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