Slog - Comments on On the Dissolution of Belgium

Comment by Dougsf

Dougsf — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:25:55 -0800

Also, before he was Plastic Bertrand, he was in a group called Hubble Bubble who are fantastic, as are The Kids, Raxola, and a handful of others in a similar vein. Wait... where was I? Oh yeah, Belgian women are kinda hot, but not as hot as Danish women.

Comment by inkweary

inkweary — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:31:37 -0800

"Belgium is a country created by the English to annoy the French"--Charles DeGaulle.

Comment by Aislinn

Aislinn — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:37:25 -0800

This one little post contains so much.

Comment by The New Kaiser

The New Kaiser — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:41:46 -0800

Most excellent, they will even be easier to crush next time around! Long live the Fatherland!!!

Comment by Abby

Abby — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:43:40 -0800

I've been fascinated by Belgium since I first started reading about the government crisis. It's kind of amazing that it exists.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:55:22 -0800

I highly recommend Luc Sante's "The Factory of Facts", a memoir of his childhood in Belgium and an investigation of all aspects of Belgianism. Oh, and you forgot French Fries; they're Belgian, too.

Comment by max solomon

max solomon — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:57:04 -0800

only 2 belgian artists have ever made #1 on the US pop charts:
1. soeur sourire, aka the singing nun, "dominique"
2. technotronic, "pump up the jam"

i met a flemish businessman on a train from paris last october, and they think the dissolution can't come too soon - according to him, the walloons are backwards ass lazy fucks.

Comment by Ziggity

Ziggity — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:01:52 -0800

Won't somebody think of the frites?!

Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball

Jubilation T. Cornball — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:06:12 -0800

I banged a guy in Ghent into the next week...under a Vlaams Blok poster hanging above his bed.

Comment by michael strangeways

michael strangeways — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:16:56 -0800

why bother thinking of them at all?

fat, belgian bastards.

Comment by kk

kk — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:17:49 -0800

Thanks for the jolt. I remember the first time I heard Ca plane pour moi played at CBGB. Amazing.

Comment by It's Mark Mitchell

It's Mark Mitchell — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:17:58 -0800

The Belgians have been huge in 21st century fashion.

Comment by MichaelPgh

MichaelPgh — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:20:00 -0800

Plastic Bertrand! Oh my god, I haven't heard THAT since I was in junior high. Bonus points to anyone who can find Elton Motello's "Jet Boy, Jet Girl", which is the same music with much racier lyrics, in English.

I studied in Belgium in 1980-81 and haven't set foot in the country since. "Petit pays, petit esprit." ("Small country, small minds.")

Comment by NaFun

NaFun — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:22:04 -0800

We really only care about the chocolate. Please say my chocolate supply line will be fine!

Comment by dollface

dollface — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:28:34 -0800

Ankle Bindery
Lanky Inbreed
Bran Dyke Line
Arid By Kennel
Dank Briny Eel
Rainy Bend Elk
Yank Bed Liner

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:02:35 -0800

I used to have that Elton Motello single. Damn, I wish I still did. I liked the Frenchie version a lot better, though.

Comment by Dougsf

Dougsf — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:08:05 -0800

#13 and #16 - As do I! There's a convoluted story about how the two songs are connected that I forget, but the same folks were involved with both.

Comment by jrrrl

jrrrl — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:23:04 -0800

how do we do this?! cascadians are an ethnic group, right? why do all these other countries have weird nebulous "ethnic groups"? we need to secede or else our ethnic tensions might escalate to an ethnic war with the midwesterners and southerners.

Comment by Abby

Abby — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:26:45 -0800

@18: get our borders constantly re-drawn by royals playing power games/handing areas over for marriage contracts.

But seceding would be neat.

Comment by pgreyy

pgreyy — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:31:15 -0800

Brendan...are you trying to start up some weird sort of "Facts about Chuck Norris" thing with this Plastic Bertrand = Joseph Pujol thing?

Because...there are people on The Stranger foolish enough to think that you're serious.

(And for those of you who are confused, let me crush Brendan's fun by pointing out that Joseph Pujol would have been 101 years old when Roger Jouret--the actual Plastic Bertrand--was born...and 120 when "Ca Plane Pour Moi" came out. Which would have been totally punk rock.)

And I always thought Elton Motello sucked, but to prove that viewpoint to be ironic in hindsight, here's a link to the whole "JBJG vs. Ca Plane" thing: www.punk77.co.uk/groups/eltonmotello.htm

Comment by Q*bert H. Humphrey

Q*bert H. Humphrey — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:37:21 -0800

@17, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87a_plane_pour_moi.

It's easier to find once one realizes it's "Plastic Bertrand" and not "Plastik Bertrand".

Comment by litlnemo

litlnemo — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:44:35 -0800

I remember the first time hearing �a Plane Pour Moi on KZAM-AM, the "Rock of the 80s". Which must make me old, dammit. It's a great song, though.

Comment by Simac

Simac — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:51:46 -0800

In high school I was once told by a Belgian about how his older sister had to come back home to Belgium after living in New York for a time, simply because "American had no culture."

I said nothing at the time since I had no idea what on earth he was talking about.

But in my adult years I've always since thought how sad that comment was, coming from a Belgian...

Comment by max solomon

max solomon — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:16:37 -0800

13, 16:

jet boy jet girl is on the "A Date with John Waters" CD. the whole story is on there - basically, they recorded the 'dirty' version first, then did the french version for 'commercial viability'.

oh, and 13: doesn't 'esprit' mean 'spirit'?

Comment by kraskland

kraskland — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:16:01 -0800

Do you not read your own links? The politics in Belgium have nothing to do with Volvo cutting jobs. The jobs in Ghent and two cities in Sweden are being cut due to the declining demand for lorries in Europe.

Comment by Griet

Griet — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:13:34 -0800

We're not going to split up. We wouldn't know what to do with Brussels!
What paralysed our government is the fact that the biggest centre right party formed a coalition with Flemish nationalists, who couldn't compromise on anything because they'd lose votes. They're now out of the picture and we can get back to being our hypocritical selves and worry about community borders and language barriers.
As it says in the article: "a wide majority in Flanders reject Flemish separatism. Most people just want more autonomy within the Belgian state. "

Comment by Lisa

Lisa — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:55:31 -0800

It's always funny to see Belgium pop up in American and British media. It's just so hard to explain what the heck is going on in our politics right now. It is, however, a lot more complicated than the bbc article says.

There's a whole mess where certain Flemish towns (such as the one I live in) are able to vote for Walloon political parties (as if they were in the officially bilingual part of the country, around Brussels). The Flemish parties, and I absolutely support them in this since it only makes sense, want this to stop, but the Walloons refuse to, since it makes it much harder for them to attain a majority.
The problem, besides that, is that the Flemish parties made stopping this a demand before they would form a government, but the Walloon parties refuse to accept it. The mess grows from there.