Comments on Olbermann Apologizes for Airing GOP 9/11 Pandering
Couldja maybe give a time in the McCain clip when the video is shown? That's one long clip.
Couldja maybe give a time in the McCain clip when the video is shown? That's one long clip. (I'm guessing at the end but it's taking forever to load the whole thing...)
Whoops. Sorry for the repeat. However, um, I don't see the pandering video anywhere in those 48 minutes.
God I wish he would work out. With his super-hot hairy bod and crown of silver goodness, he could be such a smokin' daddy.
Olberman's "visibly shaken" act was pretty bad. He should ask Clinton for pointers. The video itself is stupid.
"The video implies that the 1979 hostage crisis in Iran, the Iraq War, the 2000 USS Cole attack, various attacks on US embassies overseas, and the 9/11 attacks were all linked by a common enemy—“those who… obey God’s command to kill Americans.”"
Are you implying that they are not?... If so, please share your refeernece materials.
(And the Democrats wonder why we won't trust them with national security.)
Sorry... "reference" not "refeernece".
@6
Olbermann is a partisan hack working for a network of treasonous traitors.
He's a Marxist, too.
That's all you need to know about him.
Another thing to point out with these "cited" extremeist attacks of the past 30 years is that the republicans have been in power for 20 of them (Reagan, Bush A and Bush B). Why isn't anyone pointing out that when they bring up how great they are at "protecting" America. The only thing the Republican party has been good at protecting, is their friends, from testifying about all the illegal shit they do
Why would God command anyone to attack Americans? Are the producers of this film saying that God hates America? Are they admitting Islam is actually the true faith?
Agree with #6. I'm a liberal Democrat, but I fail to see what in the video was NOT true?
Olbermann is a Marxist working for a network of treasonous traitors.
That's all you need to know about him.
Another thing to point out with these "cited" extremeist attacks of the past 30 years is that the republicans have been in power for 20 of them (Reagan, Bush A and Bush B). Why isn't anyone pointing out that when they bring up how great they are at "protecting" America. The only thing the Republican party has been good at protecting, is their friends, from testifying about all the illegal shit they do
Another thing to point out with these "cited" extremeist attacks of the past 30 years is that the republicans have been in power for 20 of them (Reagan, Bush A and Bush B). Why isn't anyone pointing out that when they bring up how great they are at "protecting" America. The only thing the Republican party has been good at protecting, is their friends, from testifying about all the illegal shit they do
You didn't talk about what came before this video... A politician from Oklahoma and an accompanying video about the Oklahoma City bombings.
That and the 9/11 video, caused me to begin randomly shouting FEAR! throughout the evening, like a crazy person. That seemed to be the theme of the evening: nutjobs trying to get people to be afraid.
Funny the GOP didn't mention Jehovah's commands to kill all non-circumcised males, or anyone who simply wasn't Jewish.
The genocide that is glorified in the biblical books Joshua & Judges is absolutely no different than the jihadist movement. Jehovah commanded the Israelites to kill everyone who didn't believe as they did, the Pope directed the crusaders to kill non-Christians, and Allah commands Muslims to do the same to infidels. Guess that should be expected of one-off religions.
Wait, did someone on the video REALLY say,“those who… obey God’s command to kill Americans”?
Soooo, that, um, means the narrator was instructed to say (presumably by someone in the GOP hierarchy) the terrorists WERE doing "God's will"?
If so (and NO, I'm not going to sit here and parse through 48 minutes worth of GOP slimebaggage), how totally FUCKED UP is that, to think the God-fearing GOP faithful BELIEVE THEIR GOD HATES AMERICA so much, he'd send Islamic jihadis to attack us?!?
Or is that a complete mis-read?
Please tell me I'm wrong - because otherwise, that's just about the sickest thing I've ever heard coming out of their mouths.
I thought exactly the same thing when I heard the video commentary on NPR.
The video content was graphic and Olbermann apologized for it.
Does that make him a lunatic, crazy, marxist, communist, socialist, left-wingin', take-away-my-guns-n-ammo, terrorist supportin' nut-job?
No.
"...all you need to know about what sort of person is supporting John McCain."
Thats fucking appalling right there, Erica C. Barnett, you yourself, are a incredulous fucking hack. Have a merry friday.
Futhermore, are you really going deny that: “This enemy has been at war with us for decades. This, we now know. The jihadists are intent on attacking… freedom—the very soul of America.” ???....
Wow.
You Liberals really do live in a dreamland of cotton candy clouds and unicorns sliding down rainbows...
And... MSNBC could have cut away. Fox did. Instead of showing it, they showed clips from a Bill O'Reilly interview with Barack Obama.
Olbermann is a political hack.
Everyone that I know who lost people on 9/11 (and I know lots of people who collectively lost 200+ friends and family that day) think that footage like that should be daily viewing so that we may never forget what they did to us.
The forgot to add in Janet Reno.
@16, I would argue that they are different in that, today, nobody's going around killing non-circumcised males.
6&11, nobody's saying it's not true. Olbermann and others (I'll include myself) are saying that the RNC and the producers of that video are exploitative douchebags for using 9/11 to promote themselves. I doubt the family of the guy whose body was being lifted out of the rubble appreciated the use of that footage.
@15 gets it: they're continuing to use the "omg terrorism let us protect you" fear-mongering to get themselves in office.
It's fucking tasteless and exactly what I expect of that party. Screw them all.
Well, Old Man McCain was supposed to start his speech at 9:11 central time. Accident? I think not.
Republicans. Blech.
If McCain wins in November we seriously have to consider having Washington State leave the Union and become a province of Canada. Seriously, no joke people.
"footage like that should be daily viewing"
It's funny, but when I was a kid, I was always told to "get over it" if ever I was bullied.
I can't help but think that maybe the nation would be in a better state if we could do the same thing.
They forgot to include they forgot to include. Ummm...
"footage like that should be daily viewing so that we may never forget what they did to us"
GET OVER IT!
We'd be a much healthier society, a saner species, if we'd stop holding on to our pain like it was a security blanket.
This is a video of his whole goddamned speech. Please post a video that actually shows us what you're talking about.
#6, seeing as how Iraq was secular, and wasn't a threat to the United States regardless, the only way the Iraq War is caused by "those who... obey God's command to kill Americans" would be if they were talking about Bush.
(And the Republicans wonder why we don't believe they have a firm grasp on reality)
@20: so you're saying that you commend FOX for not showing the complete truth behind McCain's speech? You agree that maybe those images were offensive and shouldn't have been shown in the FIRST place?
Be careful pointing fingers.
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me and his buddy John Bailo are both hacks working for FOX. That's all you need to know about them. Political spam.
@20:
So you're saying that you commend FOX for not giving the complete picture as to what went on that night and instead cut away to a separate video clip?
You agree that maybe that video footage shoudn't have been shown in the FIRST place?
Make up your mind. A blind vision of how the world works isn't reality.
Be careful pointing fingers.
#6, seeing as how Iraq was secular, and wasn't a threat to the United States regardless, the only way the Iraq War is caused by "those who... obey God's command to kill Americans" would be if they were talking about Bush.
(And the Republicans wonder why we don't believe they have a firm grasp on reality)
#17, I think you misread. It's supposed to mean the terrorists think they are doing God's (Allah's) will. Probably lost somewhere in the ellipsis.
@ 25 - yeah, that's a great AND practical plan.
@30
The reference to "the Iraq War" is either typical sloppiness on ECB's part or, more likely, just another one of her lies. The video never mentions the Iraq War.Or any other American response. Just the attacks we have suffered.
Ghoulish Opportunistic Patriotism.
#37, you're right. What the fuck, ECB?
reminder
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me = daniel = PC = John Bailo = bored troll messing with you
No, those were not linked by a common enemy. The people who did the separate acts had little, if anything at all in common aside from the fact that they were muslim.
It's easier to pretend that we're fighting a war against 'a religion that teaches hatred of freedom' than to just fucking admit that it's geographical.
What they had in common? The people who did it all came from a place that the US has consistently screwed over for the last 60 years.
Got it? If you think that the specific religion has anything to do with it, then you're not thinking... God, idiots make me sick.
reminder
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me = daniel = PC = John Bailo = bored troll messing with you
#41, let alone "freedom"
@31 & @33 –
No, I’m not saying it should not have been shown. I think it should have been shown, and that it should have been shown at the Democrat’s Convention also.
And I do not commend FOX for not “giving the complete picture”. One can reasonably assume they had other obligations to fulfill (possibly to Obama in exchange for the interview… Isn’t it odd that he would break his embargo against FOX News on the day that McCain addressed the convention?… Do you think he had any requirement for them to show portions of that interview on any particular day or at any particular time?...) Might have just been a marketing decision. Obama is a “get” you know…
What I am saying is that no one held a gun to Olbermann’s head and forced him to show it. It was an editorial decision made by MSNBC to show it. (One that I believe was correct and should not have been apologized for.) I changed the channel to MSNBC in order to watch it as soon as Obama popped up on Fox.
Watching the coverage of both conventions on all of the stations, one realizes that each station picks and chooses what they would and would not show… and lots of speakers and lots of video montages (and possibly all of the “entertainment”) got talked over by pundits.
The only thing to fear is fearlessness. - Michael Stipe (from the song "Hyena")
@41-
Right... All totally random... no relation. Just private individuals behaving badly. At random.
Should be a law enforcement matter.
Got it.
(But them why does Obama support the war in Afghanistan?... Does he have it all wrong too?)
Well, since no one else has said it:
1) The Iran hostage situation had nothing to do with 9/11. They are not part of Osama Bin Ladin's crew, and never were/will be.
2) They have shown scenes of the Iraq war during this convention and tried to connect it to the terrorism with 9/11, which is not true. DUH, but John Bailo probably didn't get the memo.
2) The USS Cole Bombings were definitely from Osama, but the GOP has not take responsiblity for why this happened:
We got involved during the Iraq/Kuiwait war and it pissed off a lot of Muslims, particularly OBL, who said "This is a Muslim problem, American blood does not need to be spilled over this". Etc.
a) we did it anyway, and Saudi Arabia kicked OBL out to Africa, where he helped found the islamic terrorism that not only blew up the USS Cole, but also the situation in Darfur. YAY!
b) while there was a war in Afganistan, we decided not to support the very progressive northern alliance, and instead, funded the taliban to stop them, because we thought the NA was in cohorts with Russia
c) Taliban, with the help of American helicoptors, tanks, etc (thanks Reagan and Bush #1!) they defeat the NA, and take over Afganistan
d) Osama brings his peeps there, and gets protection from the USA
e) Clinton tried to have him assasinated, and even put him on a watch list for Bush #2
f) Bush #2 says fuck you, I do what I want. 9/11 happens, but then it's all the liberals fault?! WTFBBQKITTENS.
To clarify #1, I mean Iranian because they are a totally different type of Islam....but you don't care about that YGTBKM and John "fuckwit" Bailo. Because to admit there are lots of Muslims and different types of Islam would be...
D-I-F-F-I-C-U-L-T
#46, law enforcement matter?
The only talk I've heard of "law enforcement matter" is people at the GOP convention seemingly making making shit up and rehashing the "law enforcement" criticism of John Kerry from 2004 and trying to make it stick to Obama.
If you have other sources, please do share.
You_gotta_be_kidding_me wrote:
Everyone that I know who lost people on 9/11 (and I know lots of people who collectively lost 200+ friends and family that day) think that footage like that should be daily viewing so that we may never forget what they did to us.
Yougotta, do you think we should have a real investigation and find out who "they" were?
As reported by Peter Tatchel of The Guardian on September 12 2007, chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, have since stated that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges. Also note that despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
The final report did not examine key evidence, and neglected serious anomalies in the various accounts of what happened. The commissioners admit their report was incomplete and flawed, and that many questions about the disaster remain unanswered. Despite these unanswered questions, the 9/11 Commission was closed down on August 21, 2004.
But the Bush administration has otherwise been quite trustworthy, so this is probably nothing to worry about. We'll just stick with the story they told us within a few hours of the disaster. Nothing to see here.
@38: That is the best thing I have read all day.
@ 49
That was sarcasm aimed at the pin head comment @41.
Sorry for the confusion.
Please carry on.
Do they know about the deals Reagan cut to extend the "hostage crisis" for his own political gain, and the later deals he cut with Iran to support his illegal wars in Central America?
Do they know that despite these deals the US supported Saddam's war against Iran before they turned on him, and that religion had nothing to do with either of the two US-Iraq wars?
Do they have any idea why the USS Cole was in the Persian Gulf? Or how much longer they'd like to have over 150,000 US soldiers in Iraq?
Just invoke a mythical enemy, who used to be an ally, and we're spreading freedom-- or as Sarah Palin put it, we're on "a task that is from God."
Do they know about the deals Reagan cut to extend the "hostage crisis" for his own political gain, and the later deals he cut with Iran to support his illegal wars in Central America?
Do they know that despite these deals the US supported Saddam's war against Iran before they turned on him, and that religion had nothing to do with either of the two US-Iraq wars?
Do they have any idea why the USS Cole was in the Persian Gulf? Or how much longer they'd like to have over 150,000 US soldiers in Iraq?
Just invoke a mythical enemy, who used to be an ally, and we're spreading freedom-- or as Sarah Palin put it, we're on "a task that is from God."
#41 is anything but pinheaded. You're the pinhead. You comment about Obama supporting Afghanistan war was also "sarcasm"? Um, ok.
Maybe you could point to sources showing how the perpetrators of all these attacks are related.
Sorry. Web hiccup.
@55- Let me help you.
Comment about a law enforcement action = Sarcasm.
which allows for a Sarcastic question about Obama's actual support of the war in Afghanistan.
Did ya start your Friday binge early?
As to thier relation... I'll take Bin Ladin's word for it. He has claimed responsibility for all of them at one time or another.
again, w7ngman, you are pointlessly attempting to debate a fake persona; it's like arguing with a Halloween costume hanging up in a closet
@55
The reference to "law enforcement" was sarcasm. (My... your all still so sensitive about Kerry...)
Setting up a sarcastic follow up question about the War in Afghanistan (which Obama IS on record as supporting).
Did ya start drinking early today?
As to their relation, Bin Laden has at various times claimed responsibility for all of them. I believe him.
Sorry for the pseudo double post... Slog's being weird today...
And Just Sayin'
You can eat my ass. Honey.
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me seems fake to me. Which would be embarrassing for anyone who wasn't fake. It's like how bad is it when you have to take lessons in sincerity when you are being sincere? Sad either way.
@57 & @59 how embarrassing. and you thought you were being clever. you almost remembered your post word for word. at least we now know you don't smoke the good shiznit.
As Reverend Wright suggested the chickens are coming home to roost. As ANYONE that as lived and working in the Middle East will tell you, American policy in the Middle East is so lopsided that many are surprised the attacks did not start sooner. So this video just is a repeat of the tit-for-tat. McCain and Obama will continue the same lopsided Middle East policy, both have said the will. Plan to see this video and its Part 2 some time soon.
I often masterrbate to Bill O'reiley - I think he is just dreamy he makes me all creamy.
I think whoever was responsible for airing that video at the RNC was in the wrong and should have to apologize. That's fucking disrespectful.
Olbermann was right in what he said, as he usually is. And he shouldn't have to apologize to anyone.
is olbermann ever NOT visibly emotional?
To the apparent illiterates out there, and I say illiterate because you seemingly are unable to read or you would know these things already, the Iranian hostage situation was a direct, though much delayed, result of the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 by, guess who!, our good ol' CI of A. It was headed up by one Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. (look it up, he even wrote a book about it). The Brits didn't like that the Iranians had nationalized their own oil fields (god forbid! how uncapitalistic is that?) but the US under Truman didn't think it a good idea to be messin with the internal affairs of Iran, thinking that this government served as a decent resistance to the Iranian Communist Party. But Ol' Kermie just couldn't leave well enough alone and set about paying the communists and the nationalists and any other side he could find to protest in the streets on the same day in the same parts of town. Voila! instant riots. the place looked like it was going to shit and he was able to convince the new Eisenhower administration that if they didn't step in soon, the commies would take over (there was probably some talk of dominos falling and all that too). Anyhoo, 26 years later, the PEOPLE of Iran said FU to the Shah (he was OUR guy, btw, in case you couldn't guess that) and at the same time, FU to mom, baseball and yep, apple pie (odd thing, too, considering how storied apples are in Persian culture).
Now, remind me again what happened in New England in, what was it, 1776?
sigh...fact #2 for those keeping score.
It is well-documented (for those that can read, remember) that Osama bin Laden (no relation to Barack Obama or Sadam Hussein) was pretty darn unhappy about the presence of US troops on Saudi Arabian soil during Gulf War I, The Fun One. In fact, he gave that as his main reason for attacks on US targets. Notably, within about a year or so after 9/11, the US military got up one night grabbed its coat and hat and very quietly tip-toed out of Saudi Arabia all together, presumably leaving a few bucks on the nightstand and a big XO in lipstick on the bathroom mirror.
Now, I realize this is just a primer for the uneducated (I simply do not have the time go through the entire history of US involvement in the middle east at the interests of american and british petroleum companies, the artificial nation states created after WWI by the British, the constant playing off of one Islamic faction against another by the West, the genocide of the Palestinians by the a water-hungry US-backed Israeli state, nor the complete entrenchment of the Saudi Royal family in American politics. You'll have to READ that for yourself). But, I will now tell you the ending (SPOILER ALERT!) and connect all the dots for you.
Yes, these attacks are all related by one giant fatty of a line, the blowback of United States Foreign Policy...
to #29-
So you are saying that sweeping the tragedy of 9/11 under the rug is a good and healthy thing? Footage cannot be visualized in front of crowds?
Why?
What, exactly, is so shameful?
I, along with millions of others, do not see it that way. We see it the opposite. It would be shameful and extremely offensive not to show the visuals. It would be disgusting to not see the devastation. It hurts to see it every time- every single time, but I am able to remove my selfish emotions for the greater good.
No one "wants" to see it. It MUST be seen in order to maintain health- the health of our nation.
Can you understand that difference? Just because the visuals are shown, does not mean that republicans are sitting around getting their jollies out of violent deaths and having a few great laughs.
Do you think any of us had loved ones killed in those attacks, or do you think it was just the lefties that were effected?
I find your thought process offensive and stupid. Really very childish, actually.
9/11 was real. It actually happened. Kind of like breast cancer or diabetes or heart disease. We are constantly reminded of these things- through public service ads, awareness months, relays, marathons. Community leaders, researchers, scientists, councils, advertisers, etc.- do not put these terrible, tragic diseases into imagery to hurt or offend the loved ones of those impacted by such hurt or to scare the rest of us into anything other than what benefits us in the long run. They do it to remind us of what we need to do to take measures in our lives to protect ourselves. They remind us that the diseases still exist- that anyone at anytime can be a victim.
Please do not twist the reality of the intent of the individuals who seek to do all they can do to protect you. No one decided to play this footage to scare you unnecessarily. No one woke up one morning and decided it would be a great idea to hurt the loved ones of the victims of 9/11. You know that simply wasn't the case. Whether it was McCain himself, Rudy, the advisors, whoever- no one set out to hurt anyone. They set out to remind. And remind they should. They should have done it bigger and longer and sooner.
When I see the images of what happened on that horrific day- I do not throw myself into an childish fit. I look at them and I sit very still and say a prayer for the victims and their families. I thank my lucky stars that I can vote for a man like McCain. A man I feel confident of and that will be part of an administration that will go out of their way to put their country first and protect us all. Physically. Obama, unfortunately, does not give me that level of comfort. Not at all. Something doesn't sit right.
If we don't have a country to live in or a life to live- what good is change?
to #28-
So you are saying that sweeping the tragedy of 9/11 under the rug is a good and healthy thing? Footage cannot be visualized in front of crowds?
Why?
What, exactly, is so shameful?
How is speaking of and reviewing images of 9/11 holding onto a security blanket? It's reality and I feel so sorry for you that you are in such denial. You are a fool- an absolute fool. Maybe we can just never look at any of the pictures of that day and it will all just go away and will never happen again. Because, you know, it's already in our heads and that means that we don't need reminders. We are super safe. It's done. It's all over. We don't need to worry about anything.
It would be shameful, extremely offensive and a disservice not to show the visuals. It would be disgusting to not see the devastation and remember very vividly the terror and fury that we all felt on that day as if it were 2001 all over again. It hurts to see it every time-every single time, but I am able to remove my selfish emotions for the greater good.
No one "wants" to see it. It MUST be seen in order to maintain health- the health of our nation.
Can you all understand that difference? Just because the visuals are shown, does not mean that republicans are sitting around getting their jollies out of violent deaths and having a few great laughs in the process.
Do you think any of us had loved ones killed in those attacks, or do you think it was just the lefties that were effected?
I find your thought process offensive and stupid. Really very childish, actually.
9/11 was real. It actually happened. Kind of like breast cancer or diabetes or heart disease. We are constantly reminded of these things- through public service ads, awareness months, relays, marathons. Community leaders, researchers, scientists, councils, advertisers, etc.- do not put these terrible, tragic diseases into imagery to hurt or offend the loved ones of those impacted by such hurt or to scare the rest of us into anything other than what benefits us in the long run. They do it to remind us of what we need to do to take measures in our lives to protect ourselves. They remind us that the diseases still exist- that anyone at anytime can be a victim.
Please do not twist the reality of the intent of the individuals who seek to do all they can do to protect you. No one decided to play this footage to scare you unnecessarily. No one woke up one morning and decided it would be a great idea to hurt the loved ones of the victims of 9/11. You know that simply wasn't the case. Whether it was McCain himself, Rudy, the advisors, whoever- no one set out to hurt anyone. They set out to remind. And remind they should. They should have done it bigger and longer and sooner.
When I see the images of what happened on that horrific day- I do not throw myself into an childish fit. I look at them and I remember that day and say a prayer for the victims and their families. I am thankful that I can vote for a man like McCain. A man I feel confident of and that will be part of an administration that will go out of their way to put their country first and protect us all- physically. Obama, unfortunately, does not give me that level of comfort. Not at all. Something doesn't sit right.
If we don't have a country to live in or a life to live- what good is change?
The plain fact is that there are people out there who are trying to kill Americans, and they don't care whether the Americans they kill are Democrats or Republicans.
On the morning of 9/11, there was no last-minute, "Oh my Allah! There might be progressives in the Twin Towers--abort! abort!" And there weren't any qualms about how the image of Al-Qaeda might suffer in the world community, and people might not like them any more.
When there is someone who's killed other people standing with a loaded gun pointed at your head, and he's declared his intention to kill you, what do you do? If you're Keith Olbermann, apparently, you apologize for costing him a bullet and then ask him to join you in ritually cursing the United States.
it makes me sad that people, when confronted with personal danger, will make wild emotional appeals rather than try to let logic and reason take over where it's sorely needed.
There is no stopping radical islam with war. War only encourages the point of Wahabbist islam. In death, wahabbism grows. Martyrdom is their greatest call to action.
Radicals are rarely born radical. They are shocked into radicalism. Either being taught radicalism as a child or being shown that being moderate or liberal is a sign of weakness. The way to destroy radicalism isn't violence, it's negotiation. it's peace. it's not appeasement either. When you give moderates no reason to believe in radicalism, radicalism loses.
McCain has egged on a group of people who really, have no fear of dying.
Obama on the other hand, has shown repeatedly that he understands the idea and value of negotiation.
it makes me sad that people, when confronted with personal danger, will make wild emotional appeals rather than try to let logic and reason take over where it's sorely needed.
There is no stopping radical islam with war. War only encourages the point of Wahabbist islam. In death, wahabbism grows. Martyrdom is their greatest call to action.
Radicals are rarely born radical. They are shocked into radicalism. Either being taught radicalism as a child or being shown that being moderate or liberal is a sign of weakness. The way to destroy radicalism isn't violence, it's negotiation. it's peace. it's not appeasement either. When you give moderates no reason to believe in radicalism, radicalism loses.
McCain has egged on a group of people who really, have no fear of dying.
Obama on the other hand, has shown repeatedly that he understands the idea and value of negotiation.
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