Slog - Comments on O They Will Know We Are Christians... http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9 ...by our child porn investigations, raids on our compounds, and our leader's incriminating statement to the Associated Press. Six minors have been temporarily placed in state custody as part of a child porn investigation after a raid on a ministry run by a man who says “consent is puberty” when it comes to sex, officials said Sunday. The children will be in the custody of the Arkansas Department of Human Services as investigators interview them, state police spokesman Bill Sadler said in a statement. Sadler didn’t say how long the interviews would last, but did say that courts would decide... Copyright 2008 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:17:49 -0800 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:59:04 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by leek Oh good lord. Or in this case, bad, bad lord.

]]> leek http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148330 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148330 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:29:25 -0800 Comment by Hernandez I'm not sure whether to attribute this to Christianity or Arkansas. Bit of both, I suppose.

]]> Hernandez http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148335 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148335 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:31:50 -0800 Comment by inkweary You know the man must be a monster of ego-mania when he names his church after hinself: "Tony Alamo Christian Church". Even Ken Hutcherson didn't name his church after himself.

]]> inkweary http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148373 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148373 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:54:05 -0800 Comment by mattymatt Wait, WHAT? Does he mean that puberty is the AGE of consent? Or that the mere act of hitting puberty indicates that a girl is now in a state of perpetual consent?

I'm just trying to ascertain the exact brand of craziness we're dealing with here.

(PS: Somebody start a band called "State of Perpetual Consent.")

]]> mattymatt http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148411 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148411 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:21:42 -0800 Comment by Greg "Consent is puberty?" Did he mean "puberty is consent?"

]]> Greg http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148412 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148412 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:21:43 -0800 Comment by Levislade My interpretation was that if a girl can consent, regardless of how old or young she is, then she's old enough. Regardless of how you interpret it, though, it's a fucked up thing to say.

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148418 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148418 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:05 -0800 Comment by your creepy uncle If there's grass on the field play ball!

]]> your creepy uncle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148434 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148434 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:33:56 -0800 Comment by east coaster This "church" is a cult. The kind of nastiness and sleaze you get in ordinary fundie churches, bad as it is, doesn't even hold a candle to what goes on in a cult. Therefore I don't think this belongs under the "O They Will Know We Are Christians By Our..." category. That category is for fundie churches. Cults should get their own category.

]]> east coaster http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148443 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148443 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:38:54 -0800 Comment by Charm @ 4 and 5 - Are you really correcting his grammar? Was that the important part of the story for you? Let me help you, what he means is that if she's old enough to bleed, she's old enough to breed.

You're making light of the fact that these young girls are being raped. You're not much better than the asshole who is abusing them, really. You debate his grammatical errors while children suffer. Nice.

]]> Charm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148465 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148465 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:00:12 -0800 Comment by keshmeshi @4,

Maybe it's my cynicism talking, but I'm going for the latter. The concept of even basic human rights for women doesn't in any way register with these people.

]]> keshmeshi http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148472 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148472 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:06:21 -0800 Comment by leek Dude, cut the attitude, Charm. I think people are just trying to determine exactly how sickened they should be: extremely sickened, as with the idea that as long as girls are past puberty, they must be making fully informed decisions, or horrifically extremely insanely sickened, if what he means is that the mere act of sexual maturation means these girls are automatically giving consent to sex.

]]> leek http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148481 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148481 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:18:02 -0800 Comment by keshmeshi Oh, and someone needs to give that motherfucker a dictionary. "Consent" doesn't mean what you think it means.

]]> keshmeshi http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148513 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148513 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:40:07 -0800 Comment by Charm I don't understand the confusion. Child pornography and 12-year-olds always equals extremely insanely sickened. These girls are not deciding to have sex. They are being abused, and the acts of abuse have travelled the internet. Discussing semantics just makes light of it. Save semantics for pit bull debates.

]]> Charm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148516 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148516 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:41:49 -0800 Comment by Schweighsr Wait a minute! This is a "a federal push to legalize same-sex marriage while outlawing polygamy"? Isn't polygamy already illegal? Did I miss something? Maybe the fundies are right in that gay marriage will hurt straight marriages - your second wife might have to be *shudder* a guy!

]]> Schweighsr http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148603 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148603 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:29:57 -0800 Comment by thirsty did any of you catch rick sanchez talk to this pastor via telephone live on cnn yesterday?

tony alamo, without a doubt, is a madman.

someone must have uploaded it to youtube. check that shit out!

]]> thirsty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148631 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148631 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:44:57 -0800 Comment by 4f...sake I say they Ted Tripp his ass and stick his cut off dick in his mouth...WITHOUT his consent, of course

]]> 4f...sake http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148688 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148688 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:05:58 -0800 Comment by Tony Alamo Old enough to pee, old enough for meeee!

]]> Tony Alamo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148699 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148699 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:11:04 -0800 Comment by Vince The "Lord" works in exceedingly creepy ways.

]]> Vince http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148701 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148701 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:12:54 -0800 Comment by christopher @14: Criminal bigamy (attempting to legally marry two or more people simultaneously) is illegal. Practical polygamy (considering two or more people to be your spouses and living with them in arrangements based on this consideration) is not.

]]> christopher http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148869 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148869 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:03:25 -0800 Comment by Wowza Re @15 - here ya go - and it's a hoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcIdqcYf4bQ

]]> Wowza http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148957 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1148957 Religion Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:58:19 -0800 Comment by snoozn "...the investigation was part of a federal push to legalize same-sex marriage while outlawing polygamy."

I also thought that was a weird thing to say, as this seems to have nothing to do with same-sex marriage, legal or otherwise. But here's a thought. Legalizing polygamy (or polyamory or whatever it's called when any number consenting adults of any gender can marry each other) would help put a stop to these horrid child-abusing cults. Right now they can claim to their flock that it's the government forcing them to be secret and underground. With legalized group marriage, they'd have to shut up or admit that it's not the polygamy issue, but rather the "we're not allowed to molest 12-year-old girls" issue that's keeping them underground.

]]> snoozn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1149112 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/o_they_will_know_we_are_christians_9#c1149112 Religion Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:59:04 -0800