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You can't put lipstick on a cunt.

Shuuuuuuut uppp. If this were the other way around, you'd think it's funny. Stop being such a vleeding Obama supporter.

They oughta demote Olbermann for this shit.

@2 - Wrong. This is a one-sided argument. Dems worry and fret all the time about being even-handed and fair, while Republicans will do and say anything - lie, cheat, and steal - to win. That's why Dems keep losing, and that's why Republicans have no souls.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26637798/

the link to vote is here.

I would like to take a moment to point out that yesterday, in Slog comments to "Perverse" I predicted that:

"this (Obama's pig comment) is going to get traction in the next couple of news cycles"

to which Julie in Chicago responded:

"And there is absolutely no way that that gets "traction" in the next news cycle. Are you retarded?"

Fuck you Julie in Chicago.

Maybe Obama should run an ad using this portion of the speech. It would be some sweet justice for the magical-thinking liars.

#5, the point is that there isn't actually a viable option in the poll. Both non-I-don't-know answers imply that it was a cheap shot.

#6, your reading comprehension is terrible, and you predicted it would get traction because it was an actual low blow by Obama, when in fact it's a fucking idiom and it's only getting traction because the MSM are a bunch of fucktards.

Therefore, you fail, and fuck you.

Shrill? Unless you mean her voice is too high I don't think that word means what you think it does.

But yea this poll is bs what else is new.

Everyone will be covering the anniversary of 9-11 tomorrow and this will be totally forgotten. Just ride it out.

Please don't validate MSNBC's inane poll by voting in it. Write them an email instead and call them out for blatantly assisting McCain's ever-sleazier efforts to distort the truth with lies and smokescreen controversies.

letters@msnbc.com

@ 5

i noticed that both answers have negative connotations, but i'm still going to vote for the better of the two rather than opt out completely.

Agree with the answer suggested by Dan. Obama gave a good retort this morning to this hulabaloo. However, he needs state things not so often in professorial way - keep the sentences short and to the point. Use language at the level of what a fifth grader can understand, because that is the aggregate level of intelligence of the electorate.

make that @ 8

I love it when you get saucy.

How about when McCain said, "Remember the words of Chairman Mao: 'It's always darkest before it's totally black.'"

I think that was racist and went too far. It was way out-of-line, even for the "rough-and-tumble" world of politics.

Can we please have the debates already?

(oh, and @1 FTW)

While it is now obvious that Republicans completely misconstrued Obama's comment, I still think Palin is an ugly person when you look at her (albeit limited) record and beliefs. If the pig comment had been intentional it would have been brilliant. 1. It implies that Palin is NOT HOT.
2. It shows that Barak can fight a dirty opponent with dirt and have it stick.
3. The GOPee response makes Palin appear like a cry baby who screams wolf the minute people try to find out what she's all about.

6 - are you actually bragging that you were "right" about this? and now you're trying to settle a score from another comment thread by bringing it up again here?

dude, i hate to break it to you, but if you're older than 12, you may in fact be retarded. i'm going to call it a draw -- you and julie were BOTH right!

@9

Nowhere did I say it was INTENDED to be an actual low blow to Palin by Obama.

I said the reporter THOUGHT that the CROWD THOUGHT it was.

I never said it SHOULD get traction only that it WOULD get traction.

My point was that it was a mistake by Obama. Why would he intentionally give the opposition a sound bite that could be so easily taken out of context and used against him? He's usually more careful than that.

Perception is reality in politics.

You really have to hunt to find that poll on MSNBC.com -- the actual news at the top of the page is on things like the ongoing meltdown of the economy and deterioration of the situation in Afghanistan as a hurricane bears down on Texas.

The only people paying attention to a lipsticked pig are the nellies wringing their hands over why they're afraid Obama is doomed (today), and the mentally unstable who are declaring victory based on some really desperate-sounding political attacks (especially for mid-September). If McCain is this desperate now, what is he going to sink to by November?

But really, isn't Palin a pig in lipstick? Really?

And @1, I don't think we need to get quite that crass. Not only do I think you do not get the win, I think you should be disqualified.

Oh, and @ 1: How do you know?!

Everyone, let's stop being so niggardly.

He should've said that you can't put lipstick on a pitbull.

>_

1 for teh win!

@1 Actually, you can. Why you would want to is an entirely different matter.

I hate Republicans. Sorry, y'all. I hate you. How on *earth* you can stand there and just let this shit roll out of your candidate's campaign without saying "enough" is beyond me. You're all enablers. Filthy enablers.

There are real, honest-to-goodness issues that we as a nation have to deal with. False outrage and lies aren't issues. Fuck you.

Focus on the real fucking issues.

All this shit just plays into the republican's hands. Sorry Savage, but you and your staff are starting to sound like a bunch of children. I can see you jumping up and down in the sandbox crying cause the other team isn't playing fair.

And @2 is completely correct.

It pains me to see that the slog has become as dogmatic and myopic as a red state fundy church.

You can't be serious.

Have you been reading the crap they put out on SLOG? Oh that's right you've been the one posting it.

Lucille the waitress... Kevin the "real dad"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8IhMMhe8w

But of course... McCain made the same remark about Hillary a few years back.

@30:

Amen, brother.

I am sorry Julie in Chicago. I didn't mean to say "fuck you," as you know by now I am a real prick and I can get very cranky. Especially when someone points out all my lies or how full of myself that I can get. So, please consider the source when I say that I am sorry. Gotta go now Hannity is on the radio. xoxoxoox

@35

Is, of course, not me.

Fuck you.

@35 & 36

It's OK, I know deep down inside that you are 100% correct, and I am deeply ashamed of my own naivety. (I'm really very easily confused and manipulated, especially by attractive politicians.) I think that if only I could find a man who would put up with all of my bullshit I could finally be happy.

@35. It's okay... I was wrong. It amazes me that even though I am really qiute cynical about the intelligence level of the average American (and the campaigns and media that pander to them), somehow I still manage to overestimate them.

There is no way that any rationale, marginally intelligent person could have construed that comment, in context, as referring to Palin. That much, I stand by.

Though, I do think that this won't have traction for the next "couple of" news cycles, just today (@11 is right about 9/11), so in that you were only partially right.

@This Country. It is making me super depressed right now that I do all this thinking and debating and donating and volunteering regarding this election, and one freakin' campaign ad linking Obama to Bill Ayers ("do you know enough to elect Barack Obama") or implying that he wants to teach sex to kindergartners and some dipshit will vote for McCain.

For fuck's sake. I can have a reasonable discussion with someone who believes in small government or fiscal conservatism or free trade, but if you're voting because Obama's a Muslim who wants to sex up your 6-year old, then I think I'll just go behind the barn and shoot myself.

35 and 37 are not me. But 38 is.

Off to the barn, then.

Julie in Chicago,
It is not me... because I am just not my usual shithead self today when you are around. What I mean to say is ...oh fuck it I am such a loser. What I mean to say is, I think I love you. oh crap, I just wet my pants.......

Any way you look at it, it was a gaffe by Obama. He opened the door for this shit.

I've noticed the last couple of nights that NBC and CBS 'nightly news' have called McCain on some of his lies. (Maybe ABC does as well - I don't watch them...)

Hope it's a major trend!

I've noticed the last couple of nights that NBC and CBS 'nightly news' have called McCain on some of his lies. (Maybe ABC does as well - I don't watch them...)

Hope it's a major trend!

@38. Truce? I too am really quite cynical about the intelligence level of the average American (and the campaigns and media that pander to them), but I seldom manage to overestimate them. This is like watching sausage get made, and it’s going to get nothing but worse.

I do believe that the average person could have construed that comment, in context, as referring to Palin (if you include Palin’s pit bull / lipstick comment in the context) and that more than many of the people in the room did. That much, I stand by. But I will grant that Obama is to smart to intentionally make that construction. I think it was just a poor choice of words, and he seemed to realize it as soon as the audience reacted.

I will grant that this may not have traction for the next "couple of" news cycles, just today (and that @11 is probably right about 9/11).

The fact that elections seem to always come down to the dipshits depresses me too. I think that both candidates are better than the audience by this stage in a national election. Unfortunately, it seems like whoever can get to the audiences level fastest has an advantage.

Full disclosure: in my “scale” Obama & McCain are evenly weighted (I really liked McCain in 2000, but am disillusioned with him now). Biden is about half again more objectionable to me than Palin. So I tip toward McCain, but can’t be enthused about either ticket.

I do believe in small government, fiscal conservatism, free trade, a woman’s right to choose, and gay marriage. But I don’t believe that either party will make any substantive changes (positive or negative) to any of these issues in the next decade. And none of them are “deal killers” for me. I guess I’m voting mostly on national security and the economy this cycle. And I do not believe that Obama is a Muslim (and, actually, would not care if he were) and I do not believe that he wants to sex up any 6-year olds (though I think that to construe that from the McCain add is every bit as big a stretch as to construe that Palin was the pig in lipstick, and no more intended).

Frankly, I don’t think the world will end (or improve) based on the outcome of this election and I could never trust anyone who aspires to high office.

I read Slog every day, and will admit to deriving a limited pleasure from watching some of the posters get all worked up, and probably to much pleasure from poking them with sticks now and then. But it’s a damn dull conversation if everyone is in agreement.

Please don’t go behind the barn and shoot you self. I apologize for the “fuck you”, it was a retarded comment.

35, 37 and 40 are not me (and YOU can fuck right off) but 6, 22 and 36 are.

@44. Truce. I don't care about the "fuck you", but thanks for apologizing.

I, too, was excited about 2000-era McCain. I remember being very excited about both Bradley and McCain (for different reasons, obviously) and thinking "we can't lose"! Oh, how wrong I was.

And, oh how depressing McCain's fall has been. I wouldn't have even voted for 2006-era McCain, let alone 2008-era. I just wonder how he looks himself in the eye in the mirror anymore.

Anyways, I won't be headed to the barn just yet, but if Obama loses, I probably won't be able to bring myself to be excited about any future presidential election, given three straight instances of crushing disappointment.

@41,

So now that this is playing out in a way that seems to benefit Obama considerably all of 5 hours after you posted, do you still think it was a gaffe?

Man, the news/spin/analysis/meta-analysis cycle is getting short in this campaign!

@45

I just keep hoping that McCain has been saying what he has had to to get the nomination, but that the real McCain from 2000 is still in there somewhere waiting to govern.

I don't know what to think of Palin yet (though she does SEEM personally likable) but I'm not too worried about her because I think McCain's got at least 10 good years left in him. (He's had 30+ years of Senatorial health care. and his mother is older than Methuselah.)

I really don't like Biden (old school party politician, plagiarist, liar) and I'm kind of terrified that Obama may be assassinated.

This whole mess is deeply depressing.

If Obama had named a young, popular outsider as his VP, I think he would have locked my vote. (Though he would still have to convince me that his tax policy is sound.)