Slog - Comments on Galluping Past Obama http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama McCain gets his post-convention, post-Palin bounce: Feeling a panic attack coming on? Breathe deeply and focus on this map.... Copyright 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:45:53 -0800 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:59:11 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Bellevue Ave How many people are going to belly-ache in this thread that

a. Obama is now going to lose
b. That Middle America is stupid
c. That the election is being stolen
d. That Obama should have chosen Clinton

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131828 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131828 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:51:18 -0800 Comment by Just Sayin' No, I don't feel any panic whatsover. But please, by all means cue that John Bailo/PC/YouGottaBeKidding me persona to tell us all why we've already somehow lost.

]]> Just Sayin' http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131829 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131829 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:51:23 -0800 Comment by ecce homo Is this really got you wastoids upset?

If Obama loses to McNasty, then you have no one to blame but yourselves for running a slate of shitty ass candidates for a decade now.

]]> ecce homo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131831 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131831 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:53:11 -0800 Comment by apres_moi panic attack??? with gaffes like this, how can I not have a fucking panic attack....

]]> apres_moi http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131834 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131834 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:55:43 -0800 Comment by pox I live in a seriously different reality from half of all other Americans, and that is way scarier than the threat of another four years.

]]> pox http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131838 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131838 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:55:49 -0800 Comment by pox I live in a seriously different reality from half of other Americans, and that is way scarier than the threat of another four years.

]]> pox http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131841 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131841 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:57:48 -0800 Comment by yep I told you so.

]]> yep http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131843 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131843 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:58:17 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave it's not that our candidates are shitty, it's that our supporters are milquetoasts that think the race is over based on a poll and then stop trying.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131844 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131844 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:58:19 -0800 Comment by poo poo Ok, but the one thing people keep forgetting about these electoral maps is that many of the state polls these numbers are based on are 1-3 weeks out of date. Who knows what the numbers would look like with current data?

]]> poo poo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131846 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131846 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:00:16 -0800 Comment by apres_moi panic attack??? with gaffes like this, how can I not have a fucking panic attack....

]]> apres_moi http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131855 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131855 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:03:18 -0800 Comment by poo poo Ok, but the one thing to remember when looking at these electoral college maps is that the state polling data used to calculate these numbers is 1-3 weeks out of date in many cases. Not to be a debbie downer, but who knows what the map would actually look like with current data? My guess is that at least a few of the tossup states would be in McCain territory.

]]> poo poo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131857 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131857 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:07:51 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger It is only the first week in September, but it does show us that lots of stupid people like the idea of President Palin. That is what should give us pause to consider.

But if McCain does win, I would suggest moving away from first strike targets (such as Seattle etc.) since a nuclear war will be forthcoming. We will no doubt attack Iran and Russia will retaliate....

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131858 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131858 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:08:21 -0800 Comment by Julie in Chicago That map is somewhat comforting, but not entirely so. It has Obama at 217 to McSame's 174, with 147 toss-up votes. Of those toss-up votes, if you look at the breakdown for who's winning in the polls (even if only by a slim margin), that brings Obama's total to 273 and McSame's to 252. VA, with 13 votes is a dead tie but went to Bush in '00 and '04, so assuming it stays red that's 273 to 265.

Which means that I am decidely not panic-attack free.

]]> Julie in Chicago http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131860 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131860 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:12:13 -0800 Comment by CA Obama/Biden is losing ground right now, and may lose the election, because:

1)Iraq is no longer an issue. The surge has succeeded in reducing violence, and Americans no longer turn their tv's on every day to carnage in Iraq.
2)There is a backlash against the "rockstar" persona. "The One," "The Messiah," plays great on Slog and on college campuses, but NOT with a majority of the American electorate.
3)Drill, Drill, Drill. Most Americans support drilling for more oil. The Rep. party is the party of oil drilling, the Dems are the party of global warming and cap-and-trade.
4)Sarah Palin bringing home the conservative base.

]]> CA http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131871 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131871 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:20:57 -0800 Comment by stinkbug
c'mon, citing just one poll is silly. why not provide links to info on other polls? i.e.:

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/8/13254/48157/793/591111

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

]]> stinkbug http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131885 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131885 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:24:53 -0800 Comment by fluteprof Obama is running the worst post-selection campaign since Bob Dole. He better get his head back in the game!

]]> fluteprof http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131902 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131902 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:30:19 -0800 Comment by gay dad Of course Obama is going to lose. Duh. This country voted twice for W Bush, twice for Reagan, twice for Nixon (the second time, well after the Watergate break-in had occurred). The only reason Bill Clinton won is because each time two right wing nutcases (Perot & Poppy Bush, then Perot and Dole) were running instead of one. AMERICA LOVES RIGHT WING NUTCASES. So of course America will vote for McCain. All this bullshit about Obama even having a chance is just a media ploy to sell advertising.

]]> gay dad http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131918 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131918 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:37:23 -0800 Comment by michael strangeways There's dozens of sites with dozens of electoral maps and polling data...I recommend:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/2008president/

and yes, keep calm...it's only NORMAL for McCain to have a post convention bump and it's only early September. And Obama and Biden are BOTH better debaters/speakers than McCain/Palin.

]]> michael strangeways http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131919 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131919 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:37:28 -0800 Comment by Catalina Vel-DuRay Jesus, this site can be so henny-penny. I think it's because most of the commenters are from Seattle, and Seattle is nothing if not a bunch of people trying to prove that they are smarter than everyone else.

Me? I'm dumb, and I admit it. And I'm not down yet. Anyone who has ever played sports knows that it's not time to stick your head in the oven.

It's time to double down and fight. And make sure that the young people - including the hipsters - get off their asses and vote. After all, they're the ones who'll get drafted - not fad old queens like me.

]]> Catalina Vel-DuRay http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131964 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131964 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:57:07 -0800 Comment by Gary It really is the Palin-McCain ticket for dumbed down america. the debates will really help decide it, but hard work on all our parts is also required, not the idiot cynicism of " gay dad" and others who give up without a fight. As a former Army infantry NCO, the thought of either Palin or McCain as president/ commander in chief of the armed forces is too damn scary to sit back and surrender without a fight. Shame on the cowards, the cynics and the quitters.

]]> Gary http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131971 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131971 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:01:15 -0800 Comment by Catalina Vel-DuRay Jesus, this site can be so henny-penny. I think it's because most of the commenters are from Seattle, and Seattle is nothing if not a bunch of people trying to prove that they are smarter than everyone else.

Me? I'm dumb, and I admit it. And I'm not down yet. Anyone who has ever played sports knows that it's not time to stick your head in the oven.

It's time to double down and fight. And make sure that the young people - including the hipsters - get off their asses and vote. After all, they're the ones who'll get drafted - not fad old queens like me.

]]> Catalina Vel-DuRay http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131976 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131976 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:04:25 -0800 Comment by lark @13

Can we all agree that this guy's an asshole?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/157274

This couldn't have come at a worse time for the Democrats, especially Obama. The hubris is extraordinary. Michigan is a battleground state. There is a distinct possibility of the Dems losing Michigan. Kilpatrick is a damn fool. Detroit suffers enough already.

]]> lark http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131992 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1131992 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:13:15 -0800 Comment by mydquinn The ghost of 1972 says, "Hey!" Make sure you greet him warmly, Seattlites. You helped bring him back.


]]> mydquinn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132022 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132022 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:39:55 -0800 Comment by mydquinn Here is some helpful reading if you are history impaired...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern

]]> mydquinn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132027 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132027 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:43:05 -0800 Comment by michael strangeways ya know, i feel so...chagrined...supporting Obama was obviously a huge mistake on my part since apparently the election is over, based on the polls taken three days after the RNC.

dangit; if Hillary had the nomination, we'd be homefree now, 'cause she's the perfect candidate that everyone loves! And the Republicans wouldn't dare try any dirty tactics with her!! She is invincible!

ps...why is the ghost of 1972 a man?

That's so...sexist.

]]> michael strangeways http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132035 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132035 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:49:38 -0800 Comment by Super Jesse @17 - maybe we can hope that ron paul is the new ross perot

]]> Super Jesse http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132036 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132036 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:50:16 -0800 Comment by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me @15

Here's another one for your consideration.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

]]> You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132038 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132038 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:52:17 -0800 Comment by beef i've a,ways liked this one. running average of all the major polls in the state with a run down of things that impact the recent polls.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

]]> beef http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132046 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132046 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:57:56 -0800 Comment by Ziggity Thanks, @27. From this I see that McCain has only surpassed Obama in the polls 5 times in the past years, for what looks like a couple of days to a week at a time.

Once the debates begin, this will prove just another fluke.

]]> Ziggity http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132053 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132053 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:02:36 -0800 Comment by leek Soooo... when's Hillary gonna speak up about Palin? Or will that be counterproductive somehow?

]]> leek http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132071 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132071 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:21:42 -0800 Comment by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me @3O

Hillary has started her 2012 campaign.

I suspect she is McCain's greatest (but most silent) supporter at this moment in history.

]]> You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132086 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132086 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:37:38 -0800 Comment by Fnarf CA @14: McCain is for cap-and-trade.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132115 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132115 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:58:56 -0800 Comment by mydquinn "why is the ghost of 1972 a man?"

How many women held leadership positions in the Democratic party in 1972?

Here is another question for you to ponder...

To which group does Obama belong?

Group A:
Johnson
Carter
Clinton

Group B:
McGovern
Dukakis
Kerry

Here is a hint...

If you believe that Obama will win, you might pick a different group than you would if you know who is running Obama's campaign.

]]> mydquinn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132124 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132124 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:04:53 -0800 Comment by mydquinn "McCain is for cap-and-trade."

Yeah... so was George W. Bush... until he got elected.

By the way, isn't McCain also against drilling in ANWR & offshore? Oh wait...

]]> mydquinn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132128 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132128 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:08:50 -0800 Comment by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me Hell. Even Pelosi is about to flip flop on off shore drilling... And Obama will embrace it before election day.

]]> You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132149 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132149 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:23:09 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Off-shore drilling is TRIVIA. It's about as relevant to US energy dependence as mopping up the sweat on McCain's brow when he speaks.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132214 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132214 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:22:31 -0800 Comment by Louis Fnarf - you make little sense. Transition demands supply, and the transition will take 20 years, IF, we are serious.

Don't bet on serious.(remember Carter gave this speech)

How about drilling for clean N. Gas?

Too obvious?

Both Mc Cain and Palin have a better grip in public on the need for all resources as we try to break foreign dependence and keep some of that 700 billion for oil which leaves our coffers, at home.

Dems are being out foxed. Sorry.

And all those voters paying top dollar now for gas and heating oil have come to the the conclusion more is better - even if it is not the total solution. How could they be so smart as they think about their kids and the elderly freezing this winter in the northern tier.

]]> Louis http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132395 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132395 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:57:59 -0800 Comment by me @16: Agreed. Where the hell is Obama?

]]> me http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132402 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132402 2008 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:21:40 -0800 Comment by Greg @37: Here's why more domestic drilling is not an effective part of the solution to our dependence on oil.

1) It won't be available for 10 years. That's half your 20-year transition period. So even if the government gives away free money and permits to the oil companies today, you won't see any of that oil for about a decade. Big help, huh?

2) The amount of oil and natural gas that can be produced with domestic sources is MINISCULE compared to our national demand for the same. It's like trying to fill a gas can with a thimble.

3) We can reduce our consumption of oil drasitcally by beefing up fuel efficiency standards for the worst vehicles - trucks and SUVs. The potential savings are enough to overshadow possible increased oil production from new drilling.

4) There are vast untapped sources of natural gas on the Earth's surface, right in all of our cities and towns, that don't require any drilling to exploit. Those sources are organic waste, and producing methane on an industrial scale is simple.

]]> Greg http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132606 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/galluping_past_obama#c1132606 2008 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:59:11 -0800