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I think you meant "Sex-Ed" rather than "Sed-Ed".

More shocking, is that this isn't the first time I've heard of this practice by football players. We had the same problem here in Montreal at McGill University back in 2005. The team was not allowed to finish the season.

Gotta love how the subhed reads "6 players accused of sodomy" instead of "6 players accused of sexual assault." Because football players out hazing each other, committing date rape or otherwise indicating to the rest of the world what massive, massive cocks they have? Meh. Boys will be boys. But VAGUELY HOMOEROTIC ANAL PENETRATION?! Now THAT'S newsworthy!

I hate the news sometimes.

I love the word "sodomize".

I'd say the lack of consent in this case is a feature, not a bug.

Besides, consensual sodomizing via broomstick? Totally gay.

Dan, surely you realize that rape isn't about the sex, it's about the dominance? Those boys don't broomstick the unwilling because they're into broomsticks; they do it because they're into the unwilling.

Of course, when rape is committed by athletes, the worst penalty anybody can even dream of isn't jail, it's taking away their game for a little while. But sticking a broom up somebody's ass without permission isn't "bullying", it's rape. It's a felony.

Fucking goddamn football. Fucking goddamn school sports culture.

Is that football player wearing New Wave makeup?

It's unfortunate. I was SWIMMER, on a shitty D-I school and I was more or less had to deal with the whole issue of hazing. Especially with respect to the university of Vermont and their recent hockey hazing scandal. In my case, I was happy to show up, work hard throw my heart into it ... but with respect to team unity? Having to deal with them wanting to cut my hair and I in turn had to basically bully them back (I was much bigger than them, and willing to do shitty distance events). This did NOTHING to build team cohession, I swam for myself and not the team. It really irritates me, because sports don't have to be this way. Sports were a god sent to me in that they help me keep focus and function in this world because I was a science major with some serious mental baggage and apparently chemicaly imbalanced, but in order to get that point ... I have to block out all of that negative "team unity" dogma that really becomes a distraction, to get the benifit I need to funcion in society. I'm only greatful I grew up in CT and not in some hick state.

Yes, It is slowly evolving and it is slowly changing, because the whole archaic notions of hazing ... it's like child abuse. And simpletons defend it because it happened to them, and they don't want to say ill about it and admit they were victimized etc. etc. they would rather "take it like a man".

And the net result is people like Fnarf who shit all over sports culture and claim it has nothing to offer, because it has been abused by suppressed hicks and rednecks for years and years.

It's unfortunate. I was SWIMMER, on a shitty D-I school and I was more or less had to deal with the whole issue of hazing. Especially with respect to the university of Vermont and their recent hockey hazing scandal. In my case, I was happy to show up, work hard throw my heart into it ... but with respect to team unity? Having to deal with them wanting to cut my hair and I in turn had to basically bully them back (I was much bigger than them, and willing to do shitty distance events). This did NOTHING to build team cohession, I swam for myself and not the team. It really irritates me, because sports don't have to be this way. Sports were a god sent to me in that they help me keep focus and function in this world because I was a science major with some serious mental baggage and apparently chemicaly imbalanced, but in order to get that point ... I have to block out all of that negative "team unity" dogma that really becomes a distraction, to get the benifit I need to funcion in society. I'm only greatful I grew up in CT and not in some hick state.

Yes, It is slowly evolving and it is slowly changing, because the whole archaic notions of hazing ... it's like child abuse. And simpletons defend it because it happened to them, and they don't want to say ill about it and admit they were victimized etc. etc. they would rather "take it like a man".

And the net result is people like Fnarf who shit all over sports culture and claim it has nothing to offer, because it has been abused by suppressed hicks and rednecks for years and years.

I hope they were swept right off that team.

@6---having worked with sex offenders, I can assure you there is distinctly an element of sexual satisfaction involved in sex crimes even when (as you point out) dominance is a strong theme.

Um, sodomize.. blah blah.. dominate... blah blah. .locker room ... blah blah... what i wanna know is who's in that hot picture...what has become of journalizm when articles forget to caption and credit what the pictures show! (sorry for having my priorities out of whack today.. it's Monday.. they'll return shortly i'm told).

What is it with straight guys and broomsticks? They've taken a page out of the NYPD handbook. See, Giuliani has had an influence!

"committing date rape"

"Of course, when rape is committed by athletes, the worst penalty anybody can even dream of isn't jail, it's taking away their game for a little while."

Good posts 3&6, whenever athletes are accused of rape the news never reports it and the worst thing that happens to the athletes is being suspended from the team,

Sincerely,

The Duke La Crosse Team

They have schools in Las Vegas?

Rape!

Fnarf, I too hate school sport culture, especially in regards to the big three; football, basketball, and even baseball. And what I especially hate is that these are the guys who end up getting paid MILLIONS of dollars to play a game and get away with... well, murder.

But yeah, charactorizing this as anything other than sexual assault is bullshit.

@9: Yeah, well, who is it that helps athletes get out of trouble? That defends them against criminal charges and even tries to intimidate their victims?

@16: only a tiny, tiny percentage of high-school athletes in big-three sports will ever earn a penny from it, let alone millions. The tragedy isn't the few who suceed, but the millions who suffer from their faked educations and horrific injury risk, who DON'T ever play professionally at a high level. They have with few exceptions been raised on the anticipation of those nonforthcoming millions. In fact, most of the players who DO make the top leagues earn relatively little (the average NFL career is something like 1.5 years), and have their bodies permanently damaged in the process.

All for your amusement.

@18. Well the good news is sports medicine and training has done much to improve the lives of the athletes in sports. The good news is that, the NFL seriously mandates their expectations and the numbers and realities of the lifestyles in these sports.

The bad news ... is that they are still KIDS when they get involved in the game. They don't have age, wisdom, PERSPECTIVE on what they are doing or what its all about with respect to being a professional athelete. Everyone thinks they are immortal in their teens and their 20's!

I guess that's why I like professional football better, they are a little more seasoned and adjusted than oh ... the idiots on the Penn State squad. UGH!

I could say the same crap about super models ...

The NFL is doing what? The average lifespan of an NFL lineman is something like 50 years. Almost all of them are unfit for any kind of real work (unable to walk, for instance) and almost all of them die penniless with no pension benefits, because the NFL pension doesn't kick in until long after almost all linemen have "retired". NFL linemen are among the unhealthiest of all Americans, in worse shape than crackheads and meth fiends, due to the strains of violent activity while carrying 300+ pounds. Don't tell me how progressive the fucking NFL is. It's a death factory.

And they are the lucky ones.

@20 ... I'm just saying it's getting better!

And fuck you! some people are just LARGER than others. I happen to be one of them! And larger people regardless of NFL careers are more likely to die younger than smaller ones, remember Wilt Chamberlain?

I'm also an Organic Chemist! Can we further discuss my life expectancy please?

I will say that a lot of former NFL atheletes are physically active AFTER the NFL, gettign involved in ultimate fighting. They are realizing that all that head trauma leads to natural growth hormone deficiencies. With a little supplamentation, a lot of these guys are going on to have quality lives ....

Brutal yes, but it still is getting better.

If I had to look at my life ... you know the difference between dying at 60 ... maybe or dying at 55 and not having the years and years of debt from being in school, social issolation of being locked in a lab. And getting lots of fresh air?

Well what the fuck do you think I would choose?

Their body, their money, not my problem. No brain, no pain. Fnarf, you know shit about football, fuck off you little pansie.

Homophobia has surprising side effects.

So, there's hazing going on in high school football? I'm shocked, do you hear, shocked. Next, you'll be telling me they use steroids...

@23, it's our money too. We buy their stadiums. And their college athletics, despite the lies they tell about how much money they raise, cost universities billions. Not to mention the billions that are lost to the economy by wasting school subsidies on meatheads instead of potential students. And the more general cost of allowing important social institutions be run down with corruption and criminality.

But yeah, "pansy", OK, fair enough, you got me there. Gee willikers.

But answer this: what lesson are the pansies in that New Mexico high school taking from this, when brutality and rape are glossed over for the sake of some entertainment? That's what school's for, right? Entertainment? And pansies who can't play football never contribute anything to the world, do they? Not like FOOTBALL PLAYERS.

Fnarf ... they are kids, and they are idiots. We don't pay them to be role models. We pay them because we are entertained and perhaps are jelous of their cushy lifestyles for being talented at something, to enjoy something to a level that we will never acheive.

Kind of like our rock stars don't you think? We LOVE our rock musicians, they abuse their body, they get to have all the sex, money and drugs they want. And they entertain us ...

But alas music, is that a drain on our economy too? What if we carefully INVESTED our money is something productive like oil or something and not something is impractical as rock and roll music

Strippers, sex workers ... totally useless with respect to the greater good. Wasting their lives, souls and bodies away for GASP our entertainment?

Fnarf, I bet you have plenty of useless vices that are important to you that you won't own up to ... and just because you don't like football, you can be all elitest about it ...

Fnarf @18: Much as I agree with your general outlook on the merits & sequelae of being subsumed in the male-dominated "big three" sports culture, there are lifelong benefits to being involved in sports for some...e.g., girls who exercised regularly in adolescence have lower risk of breast cancer later in life.

Emma's bee (former HS cross-country & track runner & trying to get my nieces into running)

@27 - I don't remember seeing college classes and special funding and coaching staffs being set up for things like rock star training and pole dancing at our public schools.

Stop being so fucking defensive and realize that Fnarf has a point. Good for you that it didn't ruin your life, are you happy now?

@29 I guess you have never heard of Wesleyen University ... he he

@29 ... oh yeah, like I said in a previous post. I'm an organic chemist ... I get to be in debt and poison my body ... for the greater good according to FNARF. At the end of the day, it's all the same damn thing.