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Thursday, September 18, 2008

California’s Biggest Conservative Daily Paper…

posted by on September 18 at 12:43 PM

…just came out against Proposition 8, the proposed anti-gay marriage amendment to California’s state constitution. Take it away, San Diego Union-Tribune

The right of gay and lesbian couples to wed on an equal legal basis with heterosexual couples has long stirred opposition not only among social conservatives but also among a much broader swath of society. But in the four short months since a landmark California Supreme Court ruling legalized gay marriage, a significant social shift seems to have occurred.

As gay couples have gone to the courthouse and entered into matrimony, usually surrounded by champagne, family and friends, the worst fears of gay marriage opponents suddenly seem greatly inflated. For instance, Christian conservatives have asserted for years that allowing gays to marry would undermine heterosexual unions—hence, such laws as the Defense of Marriage Act. In truth, however, there has been no discernible impact on traditional marriage between a man and a woman now that gay couples in California have the same right.

With gay marriage a fait accompli, society has not crumbled. The long-standing institution of marriage is not in crisis.

The Union-Tribune’s editorial board eviscerates the every-child-deserves-a-mother-and-a-father argument made by opponents of same-sex marriage:

The second argument made by supporters is that children should be raised solely by a father and a mother, not by two fathers or two mothers. Yet the debate over child-rearing is entirely beside the point, because Proposition 8 is about marriage only. It would do nothing to prevent gay couples from adopting children or from having children through artificial means. Indeed, all Proposition 8 would do is ensure that the children of gay couples would be raised in households where the parents were unmarried. Would that be a healthier situation for children?

Remember the disgusting, dishonest, transparently political decision on gay marriage handed down by the robed cowards on the Washington State Supreme Court? Our “justices” argued—with straight faces—that Washington state could reasonably argue that “limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples furthers the State’s legitimate interests in procreation and the well-being of children.”

What about the well-being of the thousands of children in Washington state being raised by same-sex couples? Fuck those kids, said our state supreme court. And even though Washington state places foster children in the homes of same-sex couples, and even though the state of Washington formalizes adoptions by same-sex couples, and even though the state played an still plays and active role in creation of families headed by same-sex couples, our supreme court allowed the state to get away with arguing that marriage should be limited to opposite-sex couples because that’s somehow in the best interests of children.

Sometimes I wonder if Barbara Madsen and Gerry Alexander—the POS author of the majority opinion and POS justice who essentially cast the deciding vote—don’t wake up in the morning and say to themselves, “If I had that to do over again…” If they have consciences—if—it must occur to them that they could’ve made history, and been on the right side of history, but they opted instead to hold on to their precious seats. Fuckers.

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Oh my God this is awesome.

Posted by David Schmader | September 18, 2008 12:46 PM

And all you gay ropin' rodeo-drive lovin slump bumpin' lolly-pop livin' desert streaming Thelma's out there can be assurred that your young blond one allready posted his reasons for his official official.

So take that to the bank.

Posted by dan | September 18, 2008 12:54 PM

It blows my mind that someone truly expected there to be some kind of affect on heterosexual marriage. I can't fathom what that would be. A 30 percent raise in divorce rates among straight people? A rash of teenage marriages? The wedding photo albums from the past 50 years all being replaced by satanic gay pornography?

Posted by Mike | September 18, 2008 1:03 PM

I've only read the first sentence and this has already made my day.

Posted by whatevernevermind | September 18, 2008 1:08 PM

And all you gay ropin' rodeo-drive lovin slump bumpin' lolly-pop livin' desert streaming Thelma's out there can be assurred that your young blond one allready posted his reasons for his official official.

So take that to the bank.

Posted by dan | September 18, 2008 1:13 PM

@3 Okay, I've read more -- yes, are these people insane?!?

Were straight marriages supposed to evaporate overnight once Joanie and June next door got hitched? Did they think the state would run out of marriage licenses? Were gay couples becoming legally committed supposed to mean that your straight spouse was now going to ditch you for a shiney new homo one?

It's utterly mind-boggling. And this era of unbridled stupidity is the one we get to live in. Oh, joy.

Posted by whatevernevermind | September 18, 2008 1:15 PM

For the life of me, I could never figure out what kind of "damage" gay marriages were supposed to inflict on heterosexual marriages. This is a great article - it shows that people's minds can change and are changing for the better.

Posted by Hernandez | September 18, 2008 1:23 PM

this is a great editorial, but the problem with the WA supreme court's decision was that they decided that the case warranted rational review, which does not ask the justices to be rational just for them to imagine that the legislature could have had a reason.

Posted by josh | September 18, 2008 1:31 PM

I still remember that interview you all had with Alexander just after the WA marriage decision. One of the Stranger's finest moments. I hope his heart has shriveled up by now from the shame he ought to feel for his intellectual and moral cowardice, but I doubt it.

Posted by David | September 18, 2008 1:32 PM

David Copley, scion of the Copley newspaper family that ran the San Diego paper and at the helm of the paper since the death of his mother Helen Copley and stepfather James Copley, is an out gay.

Posted by rob | September 18, 2008 1:37 PM

My mother and I once argued about this. "Why should gays have the right to marry?" she asked me. I replied that they were human beings and deserved to have the same rights as everyone else. I asked her why they shouldn't have the right to marry. She said they would make a mockery of the institution of marriage.

At the time, my mother was on divorce number three.

I'm just saying.

Posted by Charm | September 18, 2008 2:03 PM

Barbara Madsen and Gerry Alexander have no consciences. They barely qualify as sentient beings.

Posted by Fnarf | September 18, 2008 2:42 PM

Uhhh, jeeez. I don't know about you guys but my marriage totally ended because of gay marriage.

Wait. No. It just didn't work out.

Carry on.

Posted by Original Monique | September 18, 2008 2:46 PM

To Dan's point on children, here are the statistics from the Williams Institute (UCLA) that I recently posted to the Facebook "Causes" page for the entirely appalling and misnamed Families Northwest:

"Children are already being raised by 18% of same-sex couples in Washington State and on average couples are raising 2 children per household. 8% of Washington’s adopted children live with a lesbian or gay parent. As of 2005, an estimated 7,249 of Washington’s children were living in households headed by same-sex couples."

"All these children are denied the protections and stability of having married parents by Families Northwest opposition to marriage equality and legal protections in Washington State."

"If Families Northwest really wanted to foster the expansion of marriage and support all families with children it would support marriage quality. This would provide equal protection to the children being raised by same-sex couples and lead to an expansion in marriages in Washington State."

Taking care of the kids is supposed to be at the heart of conservative values. On that basis, I don't get why conservatives aren't overwhelmingly for marriage equality.

Posted by The Gay Curmudgeon | September 18, 2008 2:55 PM

Please promise me that if you get a chance to ask McCain a question during the campaign season, it will be of this nature:

"How did the prospect of gay marriage break-up your first marriage, and how does it threaten your second marriage?"

How a non-churchgoer & well-know adulterer can claim the "family values" mantle is amazing.

Posted by Sir Vic | September 18, 2008 2:56 PM

And what if Prop 8 does pass, what then? Gay-Americans tend to roll over and fad away when laws are passed that treat them as non-citizens. Like here in WA state. The Cowards in the court ruled against equality, Gay citizens lost. Was there any visible anger, any visible outrage, did anything outside of weeping and nashing of teeth happen? No. Why did nothing happen? Because it's not that bad for Gay-Americans. We can't get married. Okay. It's wrong, it's un-American, it's not good for kids. And how angry are you about that? Not angry enough apparently.

Posted by Sargon Bighorn | September 18, 2008 3:14 PM

@3, @6: I think it's quite Freudian. Deeply closeted Focus on the Family type guys imagining every straight marriage is as big a sham as their own. "Whoa, imagine if it was legal and respectable for a guy to marry another guy! No-one would have to make do with pussy for the sake of appearances! The divorce rate would go through the roof!"

Posted by banjoboy | September 18, 2008 3:35 PM

The "Christian" gay haters have never...never had truth on their sides. They are motivated simply by hate. They use fear to push their lies in every case. They have used it effectively in the debate on gays in the military argument as well. Fear is what they use expertly. News papers and the media in general have let them get away with it "in the interest of fairness." But you don't hear the media giving "equal" time to Nazis. Or skinheads. Or the KKK. No, that would be wrong. That would be incendiary. But if it's lies these fucks want to spread about gay people, then let's hear it. And for the fucking assholes on the Supreme Court... Ever hear about equal justice you barking assholes?

Posted by Vince | September 18, 2008 4:08 PM

@17 Gay comedian Jason Stuart has a great line: "If you allow us to marry each other, we promise to stop marrying you."

Posted by whatevernevermind | September 18, 2008 4:11 PM

It was a calculated risk to bring the marriage case before the Supreme Court, a risk the clients were willing to take. Unfortunately, Madsen and Alexander betrayed their ideals for the opportunity to be re-elected and ruled in error. However, because the community did not give up, we elected candidates who support marriage equality. They worked (and are working) to pass legislation guaranteeing same sex couples the same rights as heterosexual couples. So it is not accurate to say "nothing happened" after the decision. Sometimes plain old hard work is better than visible outrage.

Posted by crazycatguy | September 18, 2008 5:20 PM

Polls indicate there's hope to defeat prop 8 in Cali, but I'm skeptical that Arizona's 6.5 million residents will do the same for our prop 102. Arizona was the first state to defeat a gay marriage constitutional ban, but that one also took away benefits from unmarried straight couples. Prop 102 just says "ONLY A UNION OF ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN SHALL BE VALID OR RECOGNIZED AS A MARRIAGE IN THIS STATE". Gay marriage is already banned here by statute, but this would be, you know, the constitution, and that sucks a little extra hard.

Posted by nightlifejitters | September 18, 2008 5:22 PM

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