Did anybody refer to Hillary as "doable” or “babalicious" at any point in the last decade?

What does that say about women? Talk to me, hun.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/2008/09/05/the-issue-sarah-palin-must-address-i-want-to-see-her-naked/

Calling that nutjob a dominatrix is a serious insult to dominatrixes. Maybe I should file a suit.

Well, she is doable. Sue me for having testicles.

Also, those words make her sound in some way appealing. Ew.

Or... you could talk about the politicians you find attractive, rather than ask American men not to talk about sex.

Please provide one example of someone calling HRC babalicious or doable or someone saying they wanted to have sex with (drill) her.

And it forces people like me to defend her when we’d rather be calling her out (or, as Salon writer Gary Kamiya would have it, “reaming her”) for her hateful, out-of-the-mainstream, anti-woman track record and beliefs.

Actually, no, no one "forced" you to defend her from the caricatures of Salon.com instead of attack her horrible leadership and premodern ideology. You chose to, because one bothered you more than the other. Just note that, please.

And it causes non-issue based male voting blocs to get stiffies, and that turns into ballot box votes.

Yes, conservative democrats exist. Yes, people who don't care about issues vote.

Oh man, for real.

The more we attack her, the more martyr points she racks up. And everyone knows evangelical America loves nothing so much as a good martyr. Every time I think about this, my ulcer oozes a little bit.

Why don't we focus our energies AT LEAST on the parts of her private life that interfere with her ability to do her job and demonstrate some hypocrisy (ie troopergate). Better yet, why don't we focus on the incompetent, hypocritical dude who's actually running for president?

Erica, I think you're doable. Now you don't have to be jealous.

I think posting that image along with that plea undermined the point of the post.

Oh, and also: there's NOTHING ELSE to talk about on Palin. She's not made any non-prepared statements, interviews, etc. Everything she's talked about has been hashed and rehashed a billion times.

Obama is totally doable and the boy next door...yum. So is Biden's son and Palin's husband and oldest son. Biden would be, if it weren't for those gigantic teeth...

They're all fuckalicious.

Erica, I'm going to have to agree with tsm @9 on this...no one is forcing you to defend anything about Sarah Palin.

While I very much agree we should not do ANYthing help Palin's case by acting like misogynistic fools toward her... Erica, would you please suggest some appropriate ways to make fun of this insanely dangerous politician who happens to be female?

Is it only okay to make snarky personal quips against a public official when that official is male? Or is this one of those "can't we all just be NICER" pleas?

#4

Mistress Mattise:

You could sue, accept only if she goes on and on pointlessly about her "Polyamory" and how she is so much more evolved than the rest of the world. You could sue if her fashion sense was as bad as yours and if her life was as vapid and pointless as your tastes in dresses.

Sweetie, you are no more a dominatrix or edgy than a chicken is a dog. You are a whining posturing wannabe "kinkster" who's only point in life is disappointing your parents and irritating the majority of kinksters with your childish rambling.

You are boring. At least you and Palin have THAT in common. But hey, you are polyamorous, right? Go cry on one of your cock loving men's shoulders.

I totally agree with you for the reasons you listed, and for the reason that she is completely unappealing to me in every way imaginable.

Thank you Erica for posting this. It is sad that folks choose to perpetuate mysogyny rather than call out Palin for the bullshit candidate that supports policies that will throw women (and others) back a few decades.

I also agree with Mistress Matisse that it is a true insult to dominatrixes--many of whom do great work and are true feminists.

If you want to call her out, then call her out. Have you watched cable news lately? There are already plenty of people defending Sarah Palin. Nobody and nothing are "forcing" you to do anything.

ECB, I agree with your argument generally (that we shouldn't refer to Palin in those terms), but as usual, you misinterpreted the point of the article. Kamiya was not calling her those things. He was saying that the right has made this election about her image, and even though you find that imagery offensive, much of the country is attracted to it. But hey, he used the word "feisty", so he must hate women.

Did you feel outraged and defend Obama when Charles wrote an article about his cock?

I think Dan should offer to sleep with Palin's husband. I'm too old and fat or I'd do it myself.

Right on ECB! Sarah Palin is proof making the world hostile to women is truly an equal opportunity endeavor. Sexist insults just help her in this quest. I will however remark that anyone who works so hard to make the world so miserable for people like themself must lack some basic bit of humanity.

Why do you have to "defend her" from being called "doable" or "babalicious?"

i completely agree with you on this one. there are plenty reasons to attack sarah palin (obstruction of justice, misappropriation of taxpayers' money, lying...) without resorting to misogynistic slander. besides, this just gives that self-righteous, attention-starved freak melissa mcewan something else to be self-righteous and attention-seeking about. i just hate it when i agree with her.

I agree with ECB 100%. Why give these bullies an opportunity to play the victim?

She's a right-wing wacko whose policies are completely out of touch with mainstream Americans, gender irrelevant.

@10:

I think stiffies only are counted as votes on those mechanical lever voting machines.

Yay! Ecce homo is back! I was getting quite sick of the recent trolls of the John Bailo ilk. Ecce homo is at least somewhat entertaining in his ridiculousness.

For the sake of what's left of your credibility, you really should stop linking to Shakespeare's Sister.

"Except" E.C., NOT "accept". Didn't they teach you ANYTHING during your latest involuntary institutionalization?

ECB, would it be okay if I fantasize about Palin in that gear, but with a Bible in one hand and a gas-pump nozzle in the other?

Can I still call her the Schlockey Mom?

I just want to know if Palin likes it in the poop chute.

That is the test of a true feminist.

To love ones vagina so much as to segregate it from the oppressive penis. The penis should be reserved for the "ole dirt road" as shit is the only suitable mixture for it's cover.

Sorry, the first part of my comment was meant for E.H. NOT E.C. My apologies for any potential confusion.

Unless of course it's E.H. who's confused...

For all the people asking why Erica feels like she should defend Palin against the sexualization that going on... Um, how about because to not do so would make Erica completely inconsistent as a feminist?

Erica was vocal about defending Hillary when she perceived that people were judging her gender as opposed to her stances on the issues, her record, her ability to get the job done, etc (or, to put it another way, when they treated her differently because of her gender).

So, if people are juding Palin based on her gender/do-ability, it would be awfully hypocritical of Erica not to defend her, even if she does have a despicable belief system and ridiculous stances on the issues. She should be judged on those beliefs and stances, as opposed to anything to do with her gender.

I think you meant to say "dear morons who also happen to be liberals" in the title.

Can't she be judged on both her despicable belief system and her doability?

i dont' call her any of that. i call her a cornpone fascist, and that's gender neutral, bitches.

@36:

The part where I get confused is the part where you say that Palin must be "defended" against being called doable.

I'm not talking about cases where someone says she should or shouldn't be elected because she is or isn't hot/female. I'm talking about where someone says, "Yeah, she may be a horrible person, but at least she's hot."

What's wrong with that? Many of us have commented on how Obama's hot--why didn't I hear any reaction to that? Why, when it's a woman being discussed, is that suddenly "sexist"?

Post pictures of pain and ailing next to the names McCain and Palin.

Bush-McCain-Palin dead in Iraq
Bush-McCain-Palin home foreclosure
Bush-McCain-Palin no health insurance
Bush-McCain-Palin torture

etc.

@40 - I was specifically thinking about this quote from the Salon article linked in my do-ability comment:

the presidential race may be decided by the perceived doability of the governor of Alaska.

I don't care if people judge the hotness of a male of female politician. Just don't judge their hotness instead of their stances on the issues.

just stop talking about her. she isn't running for president.

Sarah Palin isn't doable. She's not hot. She's not attractive in any way, shape, or form. I wouldn't fuck her with YOUR dick. Barf, barf, barf. I've seen sexier meatloafs.

Man, are some people ever Unclear on the Concept. If we're going to attack candidates based on our own childish perception of their degree of fuckability, then apply those perceptions equally to male and female candidates. If you're not going to assess the relative fuckability of McCain and Biden and Obama, then leave Palin's out of it. Gods know there are PLENTY of insane policy issues to assail her on. The woman's a lunatic. I could give a shit what she looks like; she's barking mad, corrupt as hell, and arrogant as a Bush.

You know what the difference is between Sarah Palin and George Bush? Lipstick.

George Bush wears lipstick?

I can't wait to blame all of you stupid, apathetic sexist jerks when the McCain-Palin God Squad moves in to the White House. Erica makes a great point and the best you can do is call her "jealous" or dispute her point? If you have no desire to even examine what is wrong with sexualizing Sarah Palin, you fucking deserve a McCain presidency.

Query for ECB, is PanTrogCavewoman acceptable? If pushed, I could agree to HotPanTrogCavewoman

And, if not, why?

Lest we forget she's courting this kind of behavior because the ONLY reason a guy is going to vote for a woman president is if she's doable. Don't be so naive.

@48 - For the record, ECB did not make a great point. She repeated the point that Shakesville made which, ironically, was the same point that Kamiya made. It's just that Shakes and ECB missed Kamiya's point, so they attacked him for it. The point is that the Republicans are specifically making this race about personal qualities, so they are the ones playing up her alleged hotness. It's not the liberals doing it.

@48: Okay, but you realize the Stranger posted a feature article a couple weeks ago about Obama's cock. So you have to concede that sexualizing candidates isn't new and isn't restricted to females. And also, the internet is a juvenile, prurient place where in spite of everybody's best intentions, stupid remarks will continue to be made as long as these comment boxes contain a "post" button.

Rather than figuring out strategies for saying "I told you so" after accepting "inevitable" defeat, maybe some strategies for avoiding defeat while it's still possible would be helpful. I'd also like to point out that women like yourself are in a far better position to criticize Palin than men are, since it's much harder to accuse women of doing so for sexist reasons. So what are you waiting for? If there was ever a time to vent some righteous feminist anger, it is right now and the target of choice should be Palin and her neanderthal buddies in the GOP. Maybe some of those women voters who think Palin is "one of them" need to hear another woman talking some damn sense about it.

We are down to the wire here and liberals need to step away from their favorite game of attacking each other and go after the dangerous idiots who are trying to secure another four years of their disastrous rule.

sooooo... we can't call her a bitch either? does this mean that i can't call the mens like cheney, rove, bush, rossi, et al. a 'dick', 'cocksucker', 'asswipe', 'asshole'?

Why do you have to defend her when what it seems you really want to do is attack her attackers? That's not the same thing.

Why is your first instinct to "defend" utterly reprehensible women? Why is Hillary Clinton an idol of yours and Sarah Palin under your protection?

Do you really have any idea whatsoever what it is you even believe?

Um... I think Obama just called Palin a "pig"...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_Lipstick_on_a_pig.html

ECB... Thoughts?

@55: Sounds like he was making fun of the McCain campaign's "'change' mantra" using the old cliche about "putting lipstick on a pig." Unless I'm missing some context, I'd say that isn't calling her a "pig" any more than saying someone is "casting pearls before swine" is.

@55: Learn to fucking read, ass.

"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."

"We've had enough of the same old thing."

@57 Learn to read the whole post, ass.

"The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: 'lipstick.'"

Not a stretch: Pit bull... Hockey mom... lipstick... pig in lipstick... Hockey mom... Palin.

Again, according to the reporter, the crowd of Obama supporters seemed to make the connection...

Also... gotta love the smells like old fish line. That should go miles with women voters. (Obama used to choose his words so carefully...)

@58: Oh, I read it. See, I used my huge brain to employ something called "reading comprehension." You'll learn about it next year when you start fourth grade.

ok, i like calling her "hooker heels" so sue me. it sums her up, for me. you see, she agrees to be on this alaska show, http://alaskapodshow.com, the host comes to the mansion, they talk about it for awhile, then she goes walking in the snow with him 6 mos pregnant in hooker heels. that's her judgment, that's her wisdom. she strikes me as just plain trashy.

@59 Let me help you:

"The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: 'lipstick.'"

Look for the words "apparently", "took", "the", "lipstick" (that ones tough because its in quotes; they look like this:""), "line", "as", "a", "reference", "to", and "Palin". From those words, if you concentrate really really hard, you MIGHT comprehend that the reporter understood the crowd believed he was talking about her.

Shit head.

Here's another saying for you: "Houseguests and fish start to stink after three days."

Some commenters/trolls, like yourself, stink right away.

If you have no desire to even examine what is wrong with sexualizing Sarah Palin, you fucking deserve a McCain presidency.

The people you seek to address here are not the ones who will be the most damaged by a McCain presidency.

I've decided the best way to deal with this issue is not to discuss Sarah Palin AT ALL. The GOP trick aimed at stupid America is working and we need to stop falling prey to it. She is a nothing and a nobody and has nothing to do with the real issues that should be being addressed by the campaigns. As Huffpo put it she's a "Trojan Moose"....

Hmm, I wish YGBKM would take Representative Westmoreland's use of the figure of speech "uppity" to describe Barack Obama - a phrase which is almost invariably followed by the "N" word in common parlance - as seriously as he does trying to distort and/or impart new meanings to two even more common sayings (you can't put lipstick on a pig, you can wrap an old fish in new paper and it still smells rotten, or variations thereof).

McCain offers more of the same failed Bush policies, and he chose a right-wing wacko for a running mate. Period.

YGBKM would make little Joe proud (and I meant McCarthy, though I suppose Goebbels would apply as well)

Oh wait, you can't be intellectually honest and still be a Republican these days. How could I forget?

Sorry, ECB, until women are required to no longer mention Obama's looks, we get to mention hers. Pretending that noticing and commenting on the appearance of candidates isn't a two-way street involves either lying, wearing enormous blinders, or being shamefully stupid. Having a vagina doesn't shield you from observations about your appearance, which I'm stunned to have to explain to you.

Obama totally took a shot at Sarah Palin and inadvertently at women in general. Ouch.

thank you

we really need to focus on the issues.

it's frustrating to read all this crap about Palin when we really need to correct the lies that the republicans are spreading. Stop making it about her, we'll never win that way.

"I can't wait to blame all of you stupid, apathetic sexist jerks when the McCain-Palin God Squad moves in to the White House. .... If you have no desire to even examine what is wrong with sexualizing Sarah Palin, you fucking deserve a McCain presidency."

But women are the one who will suffer the most from the God Squad, aren't you? Stupid, apathetic sexist guys will still be free to screw and whine and not accept any responsibility.

Which is all the more reason to get out there to defeat the McCain/Palin campaign - a campaign that seems fueled at the moment by women - and make all of us stupid, apathetic, sexist jerks eat our words.

The train for the red states leaves daily at 4:45 from King Street. Pack some hairspray and deodorant, and head out there.

Oh, and you may not have to go any farther than the stop in Spokane. Electoral-vote.com now has WA state as simple a "barely dem" state, as far as the Presidential election goes.

Stop Slogging, start moving...

I hate it when I agree with Erica. There is so much legit stuff to go after that it seems cheap and lazy to objectify her and falls right into the martyrdom trap.

That being said, I would hit that shit in a second. I'd make retarded babies fall out of her like pies in a game of Donkey Kong.

@69

Which is all the more reason to get out there to defeat the McCain/Palin campaign - a campaign that seems fueled at the moment by women - and make all of us stupid, apathetic, sexist jerks eat our words.

^^
Bullshit, btw. The majority of McCain/Palin supporters by any measure is, and always has been, white men, most of whom are cut from the same bullshit cloth as the Democrat stupid apathetic sexist jerks.

And they both deserve the McCain presidency.

EmmiiG, calm yourself, dear. There's no need for profanity. The point remains that the sexist guys won't be the ones to suffer the most from a McCain/Palin presidency. It will be women.

And whether or not it fits into your view of the sisterhood or not, women are apparently behind the surge that McCain/Palin is experiencing.

@72

lol @ "no need for profanity". I will try to be a bit kinder and gentler for your sensitive soul there, Catalina, didn't realize people still cared about that. D~mn, haha.

Poor women will suffer the most btw, rich women rarely if ever suffer the same way. Sh~t, if we want to split hairs lets go with poor lesbians in the inner city who don't speak English. They can get on a train with some deodorant, ride to Washington, and try to fight the inevitable. I don't disagree. All I did was point out who will ~deserve~ it more. (aka not the poor b~tches riding the train to Washington.)

Women aren't "behind" the surge that McCain/Palin is experiencing. Obama is still ahead amongst women, and McCain is still ahead amongst men. White women and men are part of the post-convention bump, with white men being the majority of supporters/financers/people planning to vote for the guy/people talking him up in the media, as they always have been. So saying "women" are behind McCain's success, when they are the minority of McCain voters and the majority of Obama voters just seems a little like bullsh~t to me. Sorry.

Ecce homo is back and Mr. X is the most reasonable person in the comments. Did I e-die and go to blog heaven?