Slog - Comments on What She Said http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3 Dana Goldstein: Sebelius, of course, would be the bold, unconventional choice—very Obama. But by choosing a female running mate, Obama would, unfortunately, thrust the Hillary die-hards and their ever-more marginal discontentment back into the spotlight. That said, anyone who believes that only Hillary Clinton deserves to be the first female president or vice president doesn't deserve the designation "feminist." So I'd relish watching the reactions to a Sebelius nod, not only because such a choice would double down on Obama's most effective message—"change"—but because it would reveal exactly which Clinton boosters are ready to widen the lens and enthusiastically support... Copyright 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:34:36 -0800 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:45:05 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by max solomon "bold & unconvential" is NOT "very obama".

dennis kucinich's smoking hot british wife would be "bold & unconventional".

but sibelius would be fine with me, because i don't give a fuck about VP.

]]> max solomon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109868 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109868 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:48:11 -0800 Comment by exelizabeth Ann talks about this on Feministing, and she pulls the exact same quote:

http://www.feministing.com/archives/010533.html

She writes: "I think most former Hillary backers would not disappoint. Maybe that's because, in my personal experience, every woman I know who was a die-hard Hillary supporter would be really happy to see any liberal, pro-choice woman on the ticket with Obama."

Look, there are some women who were just really dedicated to HILLARY and they're never going to be happy if it's not her. Of course, it's those women who the media will be looking for if Sebelius gets the nom, so we'll hear a lot from THOSE Hillary supporters but I hardly think they'll be representative of even die-hard Hillary supporters. You may not know that from the media, though, which will seek out what it expects to hear and rebroadcast that.

Watch for it. Ain't truthiness grand?

]]> exelizabeth http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109878 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109878 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:59:32 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Thank God.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109882 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109882 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:04:22 -0800 Comment by Catalina Vel-DuRay Do those diehard female Hillary supporters exist in any real numbers? I think it's mostly a media creation - although I do know a few hysterical homos who swear they'll vote for McCain because Hillary didn't get the nomination. I think they're mostly just doing it for the attention though.

]]> Catalina Vel-DuRay http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109904 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109904 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:20:11 -0800 Comment by Just Sayin' @4, agreed, though I'd go further and say they are a swiftboat-like false flag tactic by GOP supporters (not even necessarily McCain enthusiasts).

]]> Just Sayin' http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109908 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109908 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:23:02 -0800 Comment by tsm I can't honestly understand any Hillary supporter who would be genuinely offended by Obama choosing a well-respected, popular, pro-choice liberal female governor from a red state. That whole constituency, to the extent it exists, smacks of a cult of personality, which is pretty ironic given that they tarred Obama's supporters with that same accusation.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109938 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109938 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:11:08 -0800 Comment by RonK, Seattle @ 4 -- Yes, it's just a media creation, AND the polls are all faked ... like today's NBC poll that gives Obama only 52% of Clinton supporters, with 21% backing McCain.

That's a 20-25 million vote head start for McCain in a 140 million vote election. (Other polls will show variations of this result.)

But it's all a media creation, based on fake poll results. Nothing to worry about.

Nothing at all to worry about.

]]> RonK, Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109973 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1109973 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:08:54 -0800 Comment by Andy James @ 7 -- All right, fine -- so what's your point? Is it just time for everyone to pay, and pay dearly, for Hillary losing?

Is there any way the Hillary diehards can get their pound of flesh and Obama can win?

]]> Andy James http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110000 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110000 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:46:13 -0800 Comment by Ahem Regardless of the argument Goldstein has to make, I am skeptical of a man who posts a paragraph without explanation, that implies there is someone who knows who does and does not deserve the title feminist.

]]> Ahem http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110009 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110009 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:02:37 -0800 Comment by clintonsarmy No matter who da fuk NO-Bama pick we won't support him and will re-defeat him in November!! Go Hillary 2012!!

]]> clintonsarmy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110064 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110064 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:54:58 -0800 Comment by Catalina Vel-DuRay "@ 4 -- Yes, it's just a media creation, AND the polls are all faked ... like today's NBC poll that gives Obama only 52% of Clinton supporters, with 21% backing McCain."

Ron dear, don't get distraught. I didn't meant to imply that you were a hysterical home. But if the shoe fits...

How would a poll taker know that someone was a "hillary supporter"? What is the criteria they are basing that on? And if McCain gets 20% and Obama 50%, who has that other 30%? And where are you getting the 25 million number from? Even by the Hillary campaign's own (suspect) numbers, there were only 18 million Hillary voters, tops. So that would be about 9 million for Obama and 3 million for McCain.

Numbers, dear, numbers - they are important. That's why you should have taken math instead of drama 3. I know - I made the same mistake.

]]> Catalina Vel-DuRay http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110083 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110083 2008 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:04:09 -0800 Comment by irl big rally being planned in Indy this Saturday. mmmmmm. . . could it be to celebrate Bayh as VP pick? me hopes so.

]]> irl http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110177 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110177 2008 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:30:57 -0800 Comment by irl well crap, the story I read messed up and said IN but now they corrected and the rally's in IL.
still. . .Springfield is not far from Indy so I am still holding out hope!

]]> irl http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110588 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/what_she_said_3#c1110588 2008 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:45:05 -0800