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Monday, August 25, 2008

Washington HRC Delegates Are Passionate, Torn

posted by on August 25 at 10:38 AM

Following a hellishly early breakfast meeting for the entire Washington state delegation, headlined by Jay Inslee, the Obama and Clinton subcaucuses held breakout sessions to consult with their whips, elect subcaucus chairs, and discuss how to sneak extra people onto the floor through well-practiced credential jujitsu.

The Clinton delegates also had to broach the subject of how their delegation should proceed at Wednesday’s roll call vote. Washington does not require its delegates to vote for the candidate to whom they are pledged, so switching from Clinton to Obama (or vice versa, for that matter) is an option. But first, delegates signed a Hillary Clinton poster in sparkly silver ink.

HRC breakout session

HRC delegate Anne Price-Mills of Kent signs the poster.


Then came the delicate stuff. Paul Berendt, former Washington Democratic Party chair and Clinton delegate, was appointed by the party to act as whip for the Hillary Clinton delegation. He tried his best to herd them (a task made harder by the fact that he intends to vote for Clinton at the convention), explaining that “It’s critical that we as Hillary delegates really honor Hillary… She’s made her position in support of the Democratic nominee abundantly clear.” At first, the delegates seemed to be taking these vague instructions in stride. The first question was whether Hillary t-shirts could be worn on the floor of the convention. Berendt said sure: “We can lay the love on Hillary as deep and as wide as humanly possible.”

The emoting continued. Julie Johnson (Neah Bay) had already made up her mind to cast her vote for Obama on Wednesday: “It’s hard for me to change my vote. It’s heavy. I feel like I’m grieving. But I’m a Democrat. And we need to put a Democrat in the White House.”

Most others disagreed—vehemently. Anne Price-Mills, pictured above, insisted, “I will vote for Hillary. That’s the promise I made to the people who elected me.” Delegates said that hundreds of people in their districts had contacted them to demand that they vote for Hillary at the convention, that democracy was not served by coercion, that the Hart-Mondale split in 1984 showed that pressuring people to vote a certain way led to losses for Democrats.

Victor Collymore, an unpledged add-on delegate from Bellevue, caucused with the Hillary delegation, but he was losing his patience with all the emotional talk. “I think there are people in this delegation,” he said slowly, “and I think there are people nationally who are not committed to voting for the Democratic Party in November […] There’s a saying that Democrats fall in love with their candidate, but Republicans fall in line. If we fall in love with our candidate, that’s problematic.”

Most of the Clinton’s pledged delegates from Washington state are voting for Hillary Clinton at the convention, unless she says something extremely persuasive at her reception for her delegates Wednesday. But one woman said her obligation was no longer to the politician; it’s to the caucusgoers who supported her.

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1

Why are these Hillary supporters SUCH sore losers. Your candidate did not win. She put up a great fight. Move on and unite the party. Your pride or President McBush for 4 to 8 years?

Posted by Democrats 08 | August 25, 2008 10:40 AM
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@1 - I agree, but that message isn't going to get through to the Hillary zombies. You can stare into their vacant, lifeless eyes and scream until you're hoarse, but common sense has no effect on them.

Posted by Georgia Guy | August 25, 2008 10:46 AM
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Ayup @1 that's exactly the kind of argument that does not work. Insult folks and demand they give in -- guess what, they don't have to.

Don't you know anything about politics? "Vote for me you stupid assholes" rarely works.

Look Obama didn't pick Hillary because she got too many votes and she's too powerful. He doesn't want a rival. So he picked an electoral weakling, Biden.

But the cost of that is he has this problem of Hillary supporters, some of them, not coming over.

You wanted the support of 100% of her supporters, all enthusiastic and donating and volunteering and shit -- you wanted and total fucking unity on the Dem side behind Obama -- you all knew, you were told, and you shoulda fucking put her on the ticket as VP.

Obama's made his choice and he has to live with the consequences.

Stop the whining. What he gains is no powerful rival right at his heels as VP; what he loses is some votes.

And pride? Shheeeeit, the main pride going on right now is the total denial the Obama hillary haters have for the fact that she came in second, very close, with lots of votes and support, so she should have been chosen as VP. And it was Obama's pride and arrogance and fear of her that kept him from picking her.

I jsut heard the Obama dude Gibbs on MSBC? All of a suddenhe says this election like previous ones with a non incumbent will be very close like maybe decided by a .7 of a percent. Wow. Guess all that hype about a sweeping change election was so much bullshit. And he said it all boils down to Ohio and Michigan andthe normal swing states. Oh wow, all that Jan-Feb. hype was bullshit about chaning the map I guess. And more he said the key counties are Youngstown and Scranton and Macomb county in Mich -- a/k/a Hillaryland.

Obama's put the election at risk by not picking HRC. Deal with it. He can win, what with all the other factors at work and many of his strengths, but it sure would've been better to have that sweeping victory he promised rather than just eking it out based on continued derision and divisiveness towards the Hillaryites. She was the perfect pick to get those fucking swing counties she just got them all in the primaries and Obama threw that advantage away.

Posted by PC | August 25, 2008 10:53 AM
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PC, do you honestly believe what you're talking about? Did you ever question whether an HRC pick wouldn't have made some Obama supporters think twice about his effectiveness? This wasn't a choice for co-president, it was a pick for someone who could pull in the working class (Biden's roots in Scranton which you keep ignoring) and someone with foreign policy experience (sniper fire in Bosnia! I mean, wait, no ACTUAL FUCKING FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE).

You and your hand-wringing have grown tiresome.

Posted by Ziggity | August 25, 2008 11:01 AM
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Is there a more stupid person alive at the moment than the one who will not let go of the proven self-serving liar that is Hillary Clinton? It's staggering that anyone could be so monumentally stupid.

It's one thing to vote against your own best interests and vot Republican, but to vote against your own best interests by voting for the Republican unconvincingly disguised as a Democrat -- one who has shown time and time again that she doesn't support what you support, doesn't believe what you believe? That's a whole other level of stupidity.

I will be so happy when these people are finally considered irrelevant by the media. Because they're already irrelevant now, we just have to keep hearing about them, anyway. The end of the week can't come soon enough.

Posted by whatevernevermind | August 25, 2008 11:02 AM
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PC, why do you want Obama and by extension, his supporters, to kiss your ass so much?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | August 25, 2008 11:12 AM
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@3. You've become unhinged, Susan. Stop and read what you just wrote. I can just picture the spittle coming out of your mouth as you read aloud while typing, your crazy eyes unable to focus on the fact that you aren't making sense. Of course, this could be due to your constantly rocking back and forth in the chair, too. Who knows?

Read what you're writing, though, dear. It's sad. Don't you see that? Wipe that spittle off your chin and come on up out of the basement. The fresh air will do you good.

God Bless Hillary.

Posted by Balt-O-Matt | August 25, 2008 11:12 AM
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I hear another Clinton delegate, Senator Patty Murray, has made it clear she and other senior delegates will be voting for Obama on the first round, once released.

Posted by Will in Seattle | August 25, 2008 11:14 AM
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Oh, puhleeze, PC, giving Clinton the VP nod would have been tantamount to Obama rolling over and playing dead to the GOP's attack wing for the next two months.

Whatever her relative merits as a presidential candidate, she carries so much baggage as to have made the GOP's normal mud-slinging tactics a veritable cake walk. Do keep in mind, for every PUMA/Clintonista/Hillaryite, there are probably 25 on the other side who absolutely loathe anything with the name Clinton attached to it; putting her on the ticket might have satisfied that small core of unrepentent loyalists, but it would have turned off a far larger number of independents/undecideds in the process; not a good move when the current polls show the race tightening considerably.

So, you-all have a choice come this November: you can either vote for a progressive ticket that will make strides toward mitigating some of the substantial damage done to this country in the past eight years, or, you can sit on your thumbs and spin like a carousel while the GOP squeaks out another questionable victory, and we all face a continuation of the same disastrous domestic and foreign policies that have left our economy in shambles, our military stretched to the breaking point, and whatever international credibility we've built up over the last 60 years squandered.

YOUR choice, but WE ALL will have to live with the consequences - and IF, in your unbridled narcisism, it becomes clear that YOUR choice represents the margin of victory for the Republicans, you can kiss both YOUR and Clinton's chances for another shot at the White House in four years - goodbye.

Posted by COMTE | August 25, 2008 11:15 AM
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PC: Here are the 2 main reasons that he couldn't have Hillary as VP:

1) Bill. He has been off his rocker this whole time, we don't need any more of his "help".

2) All the things she said during the primary. They are already playing the like, 1 thing Biden said against Obama. All the GOP would have to do is play the millions of clips about Hillary, and show people that the hopefully president and VP can't get along and will be a detriment to the country.

So there you go, 2 solid reasons among many. Hillary would not be the asset you think she would be. I think it's unfortunate that she couldn't have been president with Obama as Vice, but what are you gonna do.

Posted by Original Monique | August 25, 2008 11:20 AM
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So verrrrry tired of hearing about Sen. Clinton's allegedly disaffected supporters. She was the presumptive (I'm also tired of the word, "presumptive") nominee before the primaries began, had all the money, and she blew it with a shoddy, low-road, race-baiting campaign. So why so clingy, folks?

Posted by LDP | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM
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slick barry may fooled you but he has not tricked those of us with our eyes wide open i will not vote for slick barry at the convention on the first ballot i will not vote for slick barry at the convention on the second ballot i will not vote at all and i will make my voice heard for all those who were bullied killed and silenced by the obama osama cultists we wil not stop we will overcome we will never end mccain is a means to an end and if we have to punish the spineless democrats the sexist media and the racists cultists we will this is not a defeat this is the beginning of americas golden age hillary prevails

Posted by nobamano8 | August 25, 2008 11:28 AM
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One thing I like about Hillary not being in the running is the fact that you just know that a ton of right-wingers had all this Anti-Hillary material that they were prepared to unleash. They've been preparing it for the better part of a decade.

There was probably a dozen or more books written against her in preparation, and now they're just sitting there, unpublished. All of this anti-Hillary merchandise just waiting to get sold, maybe some of it already manufactured.

The GOP have been stiff at the prospect of ripping apart a Hillary presidential election, and Obama came in and ruined their boners.

Posted by JC | August 25, 2008 11:30 AM
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Haha, 12. I'm sure you're a convention delegate. The secret service will take one look at your crazy ass and throw you in a headlock. When does your computer time at the library run out?

Posted by Ziggity | August 25, 2008 11:33 AM
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There is probably a BAD reason Bill & Hillary would not open up their finances, and the Clinton Library and Foundation, to the public, so it would have been insane for Obama to pick her as a VP. It is a good thing Edwards peccadillo came out before he was seriously considered as a VP or even a speaker at the convention.

The Hillary supporters who insist on voting for her and not Obama, even in the general election, are traitors to women, minorities, and anyone who believes in the Constitution.

Any other so-called "liberal" who votes for McCain, Nader, or the Green Party, are just insane.

In my opinion.

Posted by elswinger | August 25, 2008 11:34 AM
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Obama has the votes, so all this is just so much bullshit.

Posted by ivan | August 25, 2008 11:44 AM
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Did you see the Times article this weekend?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008134869_convention24m0.html

'[Shannon] De Rubens says Obama's eventual victory followed a well-worn path: "A woman, really qualified, worked her whole life for this, did everything she can, and she got cast away for the charismatic male with half the résumé." '

That's Hillary support in a nutshell. This wasn't a primary this was their corporate life writ large. We weren't voters we were hiring managers and we discriminated against a woman. We were given resumes and we picked the one that would have us before a judge paying the wronged woman damages if only this had been the business world rather than the poll.

You could cut the cult of personality with a knife.

Posted by daniel | August 25, 2008 12:12 PM
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#17: De Rubens comments show that Hillary supporters support her because of a (misplaced?) identity-issue. It's really not about the candidate now. Its identity politics at its worst. Gender identity and Baby Boomer identity (and for those older gay male Clintonistas vapid diva identity, their reasons for supporting Hillary could just as easily be the reasons they keep buying Cher albums: "she's tough", "she won't quit", "she's been through a lot!"). My mother said wistfully (she's behind Obama now) "I wanted the first woman president to be my generation, we deserved it!"

The problem is that Hillary is not someone who has been in Senate nearly 40 years like Joe Biden. For all of her accomplishments, I don't think the resume comparison issue is valid. Some of our greatest presidents had resumes flimsier than Clinton's or Obama's (Clinton's is flimsy too folks). The Hillary hold-outs aren't talking politics anymore, they are projecting all their rages over past sexism, hiring practices, etc onto Obama/Clinton. And it's creepy.

Posted by Jason | August 25, 2008 1:25 PM
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riiiiiiiggght...i get it, so Obama supporters ALL would have thrown their support in for Hillary had she won the majority?

Posted by onion | August 25, 2008 3:45 PM
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@19 Definitely not all but I sure as hell would have. Fuck McCain.

Posted by joey | August 25, 2008 6:11 PM
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Hillary supporters are freaking ridiculous! Someone call Dr. Phil so he can do a special show for them on how to cope with losing.
I absolutely would have supported Hillary had she gotten the nomination because I recognize that a Democrate needs to be in office. McCain is NOT an option.

Posted by bros before hos | August 26, 2008 5:21 PM
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I don't believe your comments on CNN. You are a sad representation of an African American woman...of a woman period. Have you done any research into Obama's background. What experience are you referring to for Hillary...I was ashamed to watch you and i tried to hear your point, but there was none.

Posted by Mrs. Jones | August 26, 2008 8:28 PM
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CNN just interviewed this Kooky lady and she was just going on and on about Clinton. How does someone that unstable get to have a delegate vote. No wonder the party is jacked up. Letting idiots have voting power in the party like that. geez!

Posted by NO PARTY AFFILIATION | August 26, 2008 8:30 PM
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CNN just interviewed this Kooky lady and she was just going on and on about Clinton. How does someone that unstable get to have a delegate vote. No wonder the party is jacked up. Letting idiots have voting power in the party like that. geez!

Posted by NO PARTY AFFILIATION | August 26, 2008 8:30 PM
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Obama is a sinking ship....Hillary did so well that her supporters will be even angrier that they cannot vote for her. Barry will get a negative bump from this convention. LMAO !!!

Posted by Jay | August 26, 2008 8:37 PM
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Ann Price Mills haven't you heard that slavery is over? You look like an ASS on CNN talking like a slave. We are on the brink of the 1st democratic president that is not full of shit. Get you head out of Hillary's ass and wake up!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by freestyle | August 26, 2008 8:39 PM
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Ann Price Mills -- at the end of the day Hillary is supporting the Democratic Party! Get over your narrow sellfish attitude! As a Veteran and a Democrate we need a Democrate in the White House!

Posted by Concerned Voter | August 26, 2008 8:40 PM
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Ann Price Mills,

Are you kidding me? I too was embarrassed as a black woman. You showed no strength! Did you listen to the question that Hillary asked her supporters? Was it about her or the issues? To allow CNN to exploit you in such a manner, you should be ashamed! You were pitiful!

Posted by Ms. Detroit | August 26, 2008 8:41 PM
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Anne Price-Mills is a sellout and an embarassment. That this Black woman can't get on board and support the first Black president and did the cryin mammy act for Hillary when CNN stuck their camera in her face after Hillary's speech is tragic beyond words. Stay your behind home on election day Anne, and don't forget to wash your handkerchief.

Posted by TLL | August 26, 2008 8:47 PM
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As a woman, Ann Price Mills' commentary on CNN after Senator Clinton's speech really disappointed me, excluding the fact Mills looked like she was about to have a breakdown. I can't believe she actually alluded to the fact that she would not cast a vote this upcoming election because Hillary didn't get the nomination. What kind of message is she sending to the public, don't vote because you can't have it your way. We need a Democrat in office who shares many of Hillary's beliefs and ideals. Because it's my belief that every vote counts. Would she rather see McCain in office rather than Obama.

If Obama didn't win the nomination it would have been a race issue and since Hillary didn't win, its now a gender issue. Lets look beyond all of the differences and unite for the party sake.

And by the way I love Obama just as much as Senator Clinton.

Posted by Disappointed | August 26, 2008 8:47 PM
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Anne Price-Mills is a sellout and an embarassment. That this Black woman can't get on board and support the first Black president and did the cryin mammy act for Hillary when CNN stuck their camera in her face after Hillary's speech is tragic beyond words. Stay your behind home on election day Anne, and don't forget to wash your handkerchief.

Posted by TLL | August 26, 2008 8:48 PM
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I saw Anne Price Mills interview on the CNN report and I was shocked to see that she is debating whether or not to vote. I am voting for OBAMA and I am excited to do it. Anne wake up .....you look crazy on TV. Go out and vote for OBAMA......Hillary will:) Most of my friends think you were a plant by the republican party.....I disagreed.

Posted by Melody in Jax | August 26, 2008 8:48 PM
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Ms. Detroit I second that opinion. What planet does Anne Price-Mills live on? She stood there and referenced WOMEN'S right to vote! Did she not realize that BLACKS couldn't vote until over 20 years after that? Then she had the audacity to state that she's not going to vote for McCain, she may not vote for Barack and stay home! How DUMB can you be?
Although, I KNOW that Hillary has 2016(intentially not stating 2012 btw) Presidential hopes and obvious ulterior motives, at least she had sense enough to tell her base to not be stupid and support the cause!

Posted by Ms. Chicago | August 26, 2008 8:55 PM
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Anne Price-Mills spoke from the heart, and she spoke her truth. But it's apparent her truth doesn't count for all of those who bought the ticket and boarded the Obama train. Just know the Obama train is not the only form of transportation for getting a candidate on the November ballot. Unless the right to cast a vote for the pledge of choice (that would indeed be Hillary) has been stripped by Obama's minions too?

Posted by tdf | August 26, 2008 8:59 PM
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Anne Price Mills spoke the words that I would have spoken about Hillary! This is the first time I am not convinced that either Obama or McCain are the best presidential candidate. This is the first time since I have been 18 that I'm not sure if I should exercise my right to vote. I feel that the wrong senator is up on the democratic ticket, and tonight I was open to change, but Hillary's speech solidfied my choice of why I voted for Hillary in the primary.

I totally support Anne Price Mills in her comments this evening on CNN!

Posted by Anna | August 26, 2008 9:04 PM
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This is for Anne Price Mills ridiculous forced tears display on CNN tonight. You are NOT a "strong Democrat" you are a Hillary groupie. Nothing more.

Obama has the EXACT same number of years as a nationally elected official as Clinton! Plus, while Hillary was "dodging bullets" in Bosnia, Barack was a state senator.

I think we should ALL contact Ms. Anne Price Mills and explain why she needs to move on!

http://bschool.washington.edu/staff/z.asp?ID=357

Posted by Peacenik | August 26, 2008 9:06 PM
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It wasn't about her "truth not counting" but rather how much of an embarassment she was to Democrats as a whole! I bought my Obama ticket a looong time ago, but I respect Hillary as well. Hillary would have/should have been very embarassed to have someone as DUMB as Ann speaking her "truth" on CNN and claiming her unyielding support to Hillary. Someone who obviously didn't listen to Ms. Clinton's speech that said WE MUST CHANGE WASHINGTON! Not voting is worse than voting for McCain! At least if you do your American duty and vote for someone, at least you consciously put someone in the White House versus giving someone your vote by default. I'm soo disgusted right now...

Posted by Ms. Chicago | August 26, 2008 9:09 PM
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You embarrassed all of us african americans and democrats.Shame

Posted by dfletcher | August 26, 2008 9:09 PM
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I saw her on CNN tonight after the Hillary Clinton speech. I am an Obama supporter and I can emphatize with how she felt since my chosen Presidential candidate loss in the past two Presidential elections. I can imagine how she feels knowing all the work and hope that she put forth to make what you believe is the best chance for our country go down the toilet.

I am Black and Female too. History is being made in more ways than one and there is another glass ceiling still to be shattered. If you're intoi shattering ceilings.
We Democrats must understand the simple fact that NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA IS ELECTING JOHN MCCAIN. Do you know why you're at the DNC? Were you passionately in Hillary's corner because she is female, or for the policies and people she ran for ? If Barack had loss, I would have voted for Hillary in a heart's beat. I am a Democrat. I pray that you haven't confused the Hillary voters, and subjected us to 4 more years of Bush. Every single vote counts. Every vote. You know that there are Democrats that say they are going to vote who don't because they think that enough of us can pull it through for them.

Your voting so that my house doesn't go into foreclosure, so that my husband can keep his job, so that my sister-in-law and daughter can have health care. You're voting so that the next time I call about my television, I'm not having a discussion with someone in india that can't even say my name. You're voting so that we can afford to put gas in our cars, or have transportation that is not dependent on supporting terrorism in the middle east. You're voting so that we I go to the store I don't have to choose between buying food and getting gas for the car. I don't have to put back food I can't afford because my retirement income barely covers our living expenses, and disqualifies us from getting food stamps.

You said that Barack didn't have experience, Well, George W. did have leadership experience and led us to war in Iraq, and economic recession, led us into our jobs being outsourced, led us on a flip-flop mission to get Osama and coming back with Suddam. Barack has judgement, and judgement goes further than leadership. American's elected Bush's leadership and Dick Cheney's judgement. Hillary like Barack is a senator, the only way to get leadership experience IS by LEADING.

YOU are in a leaders position to greatly influence people, and God put you on a NATIONAL stage to support YOUR candidate and, YOUR party. Someone entrusted you to lead, to do the right thing. YOU let us down on a NATIONAL stage. I am sure Hillary chose every word carefully to make sure that you guys would receive her message. I am disappointed in you as a Black, I am disappointed in you as a woman. Don't undo all that Hillary has done up to this point. You need to encourage all people to vote. EVERYTIME so that we have a true American Voice.

Al Gore lost the presidency with less than 1000 votes. EVERY VOTE counts. We need EVERY DEMOCRATIC VOTE AND ANY OTHERS TO CHANGE what we have for government today.

Posted by Sharon Elliott | August 26, 2008 9:12 PM
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I saw her on CNN tonight after the Hillary Clinton speech. I am an Obama supporter and I can emphatize with how she felt since my chosen Presidential candidate loss in the past two Presidential elections. I can imagine how she feels knowing all the work and hope that she put forth to make what you believe is the best chance for our country go down the toilet.

I am Black and Female too. History is being made in more ways than one and there is another glass ceiling still to be shattered. If you're intoi shattering ceilings.
We Democrats must understand the simple fact that NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA IS ELECTING JOHN MCCAIN. Do you know why you're at the DNC? Were you passionately in Hillary's corner because she is female, or for the policies and people she ran for ? If Barack had loss, I would have voted for Hillary in a heart's beat. I am a Democrat. I pray that you haven't confused the Hillary voters, and subjected us to 4 more years of Bush. Every single vote counts. Every vote. You know that there are Democrats that say they are going to vote who don't because they think that enough of us can pull it through for them.

Your voting so that my house doesn't go into foreclosure, so that my husband can keep his job, so that my sister-in-law and daughter can have health care. You're voting so that the next time I call about my television, I'm not having a discussion with someone in india that can't even say my name. You're voting so that we can afford to put gas in our cars, or have transportation that is not dependent on supporting terrorism in the middle east. You're voting so that we I go to the store I don't have to choose between buying food and getting gas for the car. I don't have to put back food I can't afford because my retirement income barely covers our living expenses, and disqualifies us from getting food stamps.

You said that Barack didn't have experience, Well, George W. did have leadership experience and led us to war in Iraq, and economic recession, led us into our jobs being outsourced, led us on a flip-flop mission to get Osama and coming back with Suddam. Barack has judgement, and judgement goes further than leadership. American's elected Bush's leadership and Dick Cheney's judgement. Hillary like Barack is a senator, the only way to get leadership experience IS by LEADING.

YOU are in a leaders position to greatly influence people, and God put you on a NATIONAL stage to support YOUR candidate and, YOUR party. Someone entrusted you to lead, to do the right thing. YOU let us down on a NATIONAL stage. I am sure Hillary chose every word carefully to make sure that you guys would receive her message. I am disappointed in you as a Black, I am disappointed in you as a woman. Don't undo all that Hillary has done up to this point. You need to encourage all people to vote. EVERYTIME so that we have a true American Voice.

Al Gore lost the presidency with less than 1000 votes. EVERY VOTE counts. We need EVERY DEMOCRATIC VOTE AND ANY OTHERS TO CHANGE what we have for government today.

Posted by Sharon Elliott | August 26, 2008 9:12 PM
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37 - Price-Mills was speaking Price-Mills' truth - not Hillary's. Again, freedom of speech is great except for if you support Hillary - and only if you support McCain or Obama. Nice democracy, huh?

Posted by tdf | August 26, 2008 9:16 PM
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Really? Are you still on your "truth"? See the post by Sharon Elliott. Supporting Hillary is great! SHE'S NOW SUPPORTING OBAMA! SUPPORT HER NOW AND FOLLOW HER LEAD! If you can't stand saying your voting for Barack, hopefully you find comfort in just stating that you will be voting for change by voting Democratic.

Posted by Ms. Chicago | August 26, 2008 9:21 PM
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Anne Price Mills - you are a DISGRACE for getting on CNN and continuing to support Hillary who lost not because she's a woman, but because for all her supposed experience she could not run her campaign with the efficiency that Barack did - the so called inexperienced candidate. Besides even if Hillary did get the nomination and despite right-wing attempts to come out from the woodwork against her - she won - that DOES NOT mean that it translates to your improvement in life as a woman...that is so oversimplified. So get over it and yourself - stop giving McCain the ammunition to win - because if he does, you are guaranteed to fall behind...and you will will be a loser for another 4 years!!! So vote for Barack Obama and you will have a chance to move ahead as a BLACK woman!!!

Posted by SMS | August 26, 2008 9:40 PM
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My Reponse to Anne's emotional breakdown on CNN...

Anne, you explained that you’ve talked to many people and discovered a consensus that no one has heard of anyone graduating from Harvard and becoming CEO of a company?

Frankly, Barack isn’t a recent graduate of Harvard Law School. He graduated in 1991with a magna cum laude and this is the year 2008. It seems to me that there is a significant time span between the years of 1991 and 2008. Even though in 1996 he was elected to the Senate, some still may say he has no experience for the White House just being a senator from Illinois. I was quite thrilled to see across my television screen the fact stating Warren Harding and John Kennedy were the only two senators who moved directly from the Senate to the White House. John Kennedy alone gives me inspiration and hope to know that anything is possible and Barack Obama is ready for the White House.

Senator Clinton asked the question, “Why did you vote for me?” So Anne I ask were you voting just for her or the entire democratic cause and purpose for America?

As a black woman yourself, it baffles me that you seem to forget those who paved the way with the help of the Lord, for you to be able to stand and speak your mind on national television. Before you could even worry about being a woman in America, you had to deal with the fact that you are black in America. Rosa Parks, God rest her soul could testify to that when she was told to go sit at the back of the bus. They were not concerned about her gender at that time because they focused on the color of her skin.

It also saddens me that after so many years, you look back and realize that you have voted as a Democrat in the elections since you were 18 years old. Now, for the first time you contemplate not visiting the polls due to your unhappiness. There are convicted felons and many others who have lost their lives and right to vote, and you freely give your voting privileges away. This is truly depressing.

We know you love and support Hilary Clinton but it seems to me that there is a deeper issue involved. Bitterness bites and causes our spirits to grieve prematurely, when we should be celebrating these moments in history that we are fortunate to see before our very eyes. So I encourage you not to fall victim to a Republican’s bitter spirit and demeaning tactics, and cause us to reap the detrimental benefits of walking into their trap. Regardless, God has the final say so, and it is His will that shall come forth in November.

So I ask you once again, “Are you truly a Hilary Clinton supporter?” Hilary Clinton is for Barack Obama. Why aren’t you?

Posted by Barack Supporter | August 26, 2008 9:50 PM
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#3 - Dear PC - 10 Reasons why Barack did the right thing in NOT picking HRC for Veep...

1 - Bill fucked it up for her
2 - Hillary gave McCain the playbook on dissing Barack
3 - 20% of the Dems (the Reagan Dems or white trash class in the swing states) who voted for Hillary would not vote for a Black man anyway even if she was Barack's veep - so no loss there
4 - 80% of the Dems who voted for Hillary are coming over (60% came over right away)
5 - She demanded in public that she be made veep - she blew her chances by threatening Barack
6 - The new voters, the young voters and independents who support Barack would not vote for him if she was veep
7 - She has no real experience - no more than he does
8 - Being first lady does not qualify as experience
9 - She's a racist underneath it all
10 - Bill fucked it up for her

Posted by SMS | August 26, 2008 10:23 PM
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The Caucus Fraud candidate of race baiting and old time Chicago politics who snatched the DNC from Washington DC and moved it to his city should have picked the right VP. Instead he chose a candidate not nearly as good as the woman he passed over.

It's not something I choose to reward. I'll take the guy with experience and then get the gal with experience.

McCain 08/ Hillary 2012

Posted by Never Voting Faudbama | August 26, 2008 10:31 PM
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Dear Anne Price-Mills,

Thank you for everything you said during your interviews...especially the one with CNN. There are A LOT of US who support you.

Unfortunately, the hateful attacks have already begun (as evidenced by several of the commenters above and their use of "verbal whips"). Their responses and the negative energy that they are directing at you are meant to weaken you and bully you into submission. Try your best to ignore them.

This is a critical time for human consciousness. Continue to speak your truth and live your truth. The rest will take care of itself.

Stay strong and "no matter what happens, keep going."

Posted by HT | August 26, 2008 10:34 PM
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Can't anyone speak from their heart anymore? You obama supporters make everyone look bad. Just shut your faces and let people vote for whoever they want. Fuck you and fuck McCain. We are all human. If obama had lost I am sure I would see plenty of black men and women crying in shame. This is a historical moment. Grow the fuck up and get over it. People will cry and people will laugh. It is up to her to make the choice to vote or not. Right now it has been an emotional night. Us hillary supporters saw a better future when we voted for her. We trust her. We don't trust obama and don't feel welcomed.

I will vote for the democratic party but not for him. I am only voting democrat to see everyone who is suffering right now from the republicans to see a brighter future. Hillary will rise again and make this country better than it ever has been. I see a golden age ahead of us. Stray strong ladies. Men are just afraid we will do a better job. :wink:

VOTE DEMOCRAT AND STAND BEHIND HILLARY. She needs us to help her or the obama crew will blame her if he loses. That is not right. But you know how twisted the media is and how they blame her for everything when she has faught harder than anyone out there. Screw the man pride in this country. Republicans have been in charge too long. Lets take back this country and UNITE the democractic party. I am behind you Anne Price. So stand behind hillary and help us win!!

Ginger

Posted by GingerAnne | August 26, 2008 10:48 PM
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Dear Ms. Chicago:

Anne Price Mills may have been referring to the fact that the 15th amendment of 1870 gave "colored" men the right to vote, although admittedly this right was not enjoyed by many black men. By contrast, the 19th amendment of 1920 gave women the right to vote.

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 ensured the right of people of color to vote in practice, not just in name. The Equal Rights Amendment for women was never passed and in 2008 women still earn 80 cents on the dollar compared to men.

We could go through all the injustices, prejudices, and horrors visited on both groups, but there's been enough on either side that we can't berate Ann Price Mills for morning the loss of the first woman president.

To Ann Price Mills -- you go girl. You were passionate and articulate and it's true, Hillary would have been great. Watching Hillary, I felt the loss of breaking through the gender barrier that much more acutely. So I get it.

Do what you think you should at the convention.

However, you must honor Hillary's hard work by voting for Obama in the general election. He's not my first choice, but he has his own strengths and achievements, and he campaigned honorably against her. I'm moving on and I'll be proud, excited even, to vote for him. A vote of abstention is a vote for McCaine.

Posted by grrrl | August 26, 2008 11:54 PM
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The amount of disrespect running rampant from the Obama supporters directed at the Hillary supporters just cements my commitment not to vote. You guys are yelling about party unity while insulting the other 50 percent by calling Hillary Clinton supporters names, talking down to us, and being incredibly confrontational. Yeah. That makes me want to vote for Barrack. Yell at me a little bit louder. Call me some more names. Certainly that will sway me, and make me believe that he is for hope, friendship, unity, and a better America. Nice way of presenting your candidate to the people on your own side you need to help him win. I was for Barack in the beginning. I was going to vote either way. Then he decided to run a sexist, passive aggressive campaign and I started to wonder whether or not I could vote for him if Hillary lost. Now all I see is the harassment and ridicule of Hillary Clinton supporters from Barack supporters, and I’m done. You guys are embarrassing Barack, and alienating people who would otherwise vote for him in a HEARTBEAT. And you guys claim to be about party unity?? You are attacking and ridiculing members of your own party while preaching about party unity?? When last I checked, being condescending, dismissive, and insulting to people who you agree with politically isn't how you unite a party. His conduct, and the conduct of some, not all, of his supporters has disgusted me, and I’m staying home. I was going to vote for him happily! But now, I’m not casting my very first vote for this. What a disaster this is. If there was any chance that I was going to vote for him after the campaign he ran, it is now completely gone thanks to the hostile and degrading abuse Obama supporters are expressing towards their fellow Democrats in the name of “party unity”. Bravo. I’m staying home. And way to go Ann Price Mills! Like Hillary, she is a strong woman, who speaks her mind and her truths despite insult and ridicule. And despite the flippant disregard of Obama supporters, that kind of strength is what changes the world. Their words tonight embody what it is to be a strong woman, and I am inspired.

Posted by Tara | August 27, 2008 1:07 AM
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Obama owes Hillary big time....she has the class that he does not, the experience he does not and 18,000,000 supporters who are NEVER going to drink his kool-aid.

McCain 2008.....Clinton 2012 & 2016

Posted by moolaroo | August 27, 2008 1:10 AM
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I see a real arrogance among these sore loser Clintonites. You felt Clinton was entitled to the nomination, that it was hers going in. Not how the game is played. And now some of you have the audacity to play the gender card. As a Black man I deplore discrimination in any form. That's not what's going on here.


Then you want to claim you won't vote for Barack because some of his campagain workers didn't treat you nice. C'mon ya'll! This is the most important presidential election in a generation. It's about the economy, this nation's direction at what could possibly be the beginning of the Post-American era. This is bigger than a single candidate or personality. Ideas are important, and Barack's just resonated with a few more people than Hillary's. For you to poke your lip out and cede the presidency and my children's future to McCain causes me to question your true motivations. Your candidate lost the nomination fair and square. Get over it.

Posted by TLL | August 27, 2008 2:00 AM
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I agree with the Hillary supporters! Obama is not going to win the red states that had caucuses and you should know that. Republicans could vote in those caucuses and did for Obama, just to stop Hillary, and the DNC knows it! Don't blame Hillary, when we lose. No other person who has lost primaries, with so many votes, has ever been this gracious! Obama supporters have been sexist calling her a "b". While no one dare call him a "n". Obama denied the voters of Mich,, Fl, and Hillary for his own purposes - now he wants all their help. Good luck!

Pres. Clinton just told the truth and you called him racist. Biden, after over 30 yrs in DC, told you Obama has no great experience of Change in Chicago or the Senate - now you call Biden VP. This and other flip flops Obama has made should haunt all of you. Not many, even Black people like me, had ever heard Obama come out for issues that concern us, prior to this campaign. Despite his Harvard law background, Obama does not talk or think well on the fly. Saddlebrook emphasized Obama's lack of conviction, particularly compared to McCain. All of this is why Obama is tied with McCain!

Obama and Biden plagerize. Look how close Obama's healthcare plan is to Hillary's, who worked on hers with a team of experts for over a decade. Whose paper will they cheat off, when she is not around? Democrats did not have half this controversy in 2004 with Kerry and we lost! Clinton waited in 2004. Obama is young and should have waited to increase his own experience. Obama should have taken Hillary's offer to be her VP, after Super Tuesday. America is being quiet until election day, when they will go in the voting booths and elect McCain. Obama's ego over judgement will be to blame.

Posted by Cindy | August 27, 2008 2:55 AM
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moolaroo, you summed it up perfectly for me! Rude, dismissive, degrading, and a la George W. Bush, questioning the "motivations" of those who those feel unwelcomed, and disregarded by Barack Obama! Thanks! All of this geared towards your fellow Democrats, who feel just as strongly against John McCain as you do, who would have voted for Barack Obama if he had run with the integrity, partisanship, and new hope that he promised he would. I don’t want to be a part of a campaign that insults, and talks down to me because I wasn’t happy about how this race turned out, when I am desperate to feel hope and inspiration after the hell of W. Ideally, this wouldn’t have been the environment Hillary supporters were “welcomed” into when she dropped out. And do you really think the same group of people who would have voted for a plastic toy over George W. Bush in 2004 would really just, for no reason at all, not want to work for someone with the grace and intelligence of Barack Obama? We’re just sore losers. Right. There are REASONS why Hillary supporters are even fathoming the thought of not voting for Barack Obama. Reasons, that Obama supporters flippantly disregard. The fact is, he assassinated her character left and right, accused her of “running a negative campaign” when her campaign was no more “negative” than his own (getting the media to hold her to a different standard than himself, then subsequently demonized her as a bitch, which is SEXISM), and then sat back as the media had a field day, framing her as an annoying little bitch who was in his way starting at the Iowa caucus. Then I get called a “sore loser” for not being happy with any of this. Even with all that said, I would never question the “true motivations” of a fellow Democrat had the tables been turned, and Hillary was the nominee. The fact is, the race was a train wreck, and it is clear now since we are tearing each other apart, and emotions are high, with each side trying to force unity, when there are some serious issues between both sides and people who are pissed off about how things ended up. Obama made it worse by picking Joe Biden. At the end of the day, I blame Howard Dean for this, since he was leading the ship. It was his job to help these campaigns run to prevent lingering animosity at the end, so that we cinch the presidency that was handed to us by the disaster of Bush’s presidency, and by the fact that John McCain is Bush III. Howard Dean obviously failed. And obviously Obama hasn’t shown the skills yet to unite a shredded and fractured party, as he’s been the nominee since June, and things have just gotten worse.

Posted by Tara | August 27, 2008 3:26 AM
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Anne Price-Mills
What are you thinking? My son and his new bride will vote for the first time in November. You have spoken recklessly, unrightously, and regretfully. Please be the standard bearer and take your verbal thoughts to next level of unity and usefulness by considering not just your future but the future of America. Make it all JOY, Jesus first, Others second and Yourself last.

Posted by sweet g of louisiana | August 27, 2008 4:01 AM
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Would you hire a graduate fresh out of college as a CEO with no experience? Hmmm... Lets ask Youtube, Microsoft, and Google.

And by the way - Both Bush/Quail and Bush/Cheney had more experience than Clinton/Gore, and look at the difference.

Posted by kaanuki | August 27, 2008 4:41 AM
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Note to Obama supporters: You do not do justice to your candidate or the reality that we need to win in November by engaging in personal attacks against fellow Democrats who hold different views. This is NOT what your candidate wants or needs. You guys are the ones who sound crazy. You have your nominee. The only thing you should want from the Clinton camp is their vote for Obama. Do you honestly think that you are going to get it through vicious personal attacks? What is your problem? Are you so fragile that you can't take an opposing view? This is what Democracy is all about. Ann Price Mills expressed her heartfelt sentiment. There is nothing wrong with that. She disagrees with you. So what? Does she want universal health care, equal pay for equal work, security for the middle class, money for education and the development of people? You bet, because if she didn't she wouldn't be at the Convention. The Democrats need her vote and votes like hers in November to beat McCain. Insulting her and others who share her disappointment in an historic election is not going to help Obama win. Senator Clinton did her job last night. Many of the Obama supporters who have responded here are so hateful and derogatory that it is embarrassing. Certainly you have a right to imagine Clinton supporters as hysterical, irrational, and crazy (all terms that have been thrown at women for centuries to keep them in their place). Okay, is that going to get Obama votes? I doubt it. So keep it up fellow Democrats and we will get four to eight more years of Bush politics. Sometimes it's better to be kind than right, especially towards fellow human beings who support the cause but disagree with the presentation. We have a lot to lose here.

Posted by Elizabeth | August 27, 2008 4:49 AM
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Obama supporters, talk about entitlement... I hope you all get over it when Obama loses by less than 1000 votes (and think back on those 18 million votes and their associated voices you so heartily beat into submission). Don't you dare blame Hillary's camp when that happens. Blame the Obama culture of sexist, tired, dismissive words and actions which contributed in toto to Hillary supporters not wanting to cast their votes for a lesser candidate. And I don't mean Hillary, either.

Posted by tourmalet | August 27, 2008 6:01 AM
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PC you stupid fucking idiot. Yes i will insult the hell out of you because its morons like you and the rest of these fucking retarded psycho hilary supporters that are going to doom this once proud nation because you cant distinguish reality from fiction. I am an Obama supporter, i dont agree with him 100percent, but i am smart enough to know to vote against him out of spite hurts only me and you. For your sake asshole, I sure hope mccain does not win, because we all will pay, not Obama, not Hillary, and not Mccain, WE will pay.

Posted by david | August 27, 2008 6:19 AM
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To all you Hillary Supporters (of which I once was one until Barack came along) let me attempt to summarize why we Obama supporters have gone from putting up with your tantrums to now just blatantly asking you to vote your personal interests - as well you should - (increased American jobs, lower taxes for the middle class, universal healthcare, abortion rights, equal pay for equal work, civil rights, getting out of Iraq, focusing on Afghanistan where the 9/11 terrotists still enjoy life, renewed energy plan, and a higher standing on the world stage) by voting for the 2008 Democratic ticket. We are OK with you liking Hillary more than you do Barack, but she lost and he won fair and square. So which is more important voting for your interests as Democrats or throwing your vote away or worse yet, voting against your own interests by voting for McCain?

We undestand that you liked the Clinton years as did we...We understand that you expected a coronation of Hillary as did she...We understand that you subscribe to a pecking order of White Man, followed by White Woman, followed by Black Man, followed by Black Woman etc. and that Barack upset your order...We understand that her candidacy was historic as was Barack's...We understand that many women have suffered under many men and supporting Hillary under any and all circumstances was cathartic as it has been for most Blacks with Barack (and I might add many non-blacks of which I am one)...We understand that you feel cheated because she got nearly 50% of the primary vote because she was in it long after she should have dropped out...We understand that you magically wanted MI and FL to count even though she signed documents to not campaign there and accepted that these two states would not count because they broke the rules...And we understand that it is easy to ascribe the gender bias and insulting remarks that Hillary received on the campaign trail from ignorant men to Barack's campaign simply because he was her primary opponent.

But here is why she lost...

1 - She ran an inefficient campaign between two sides - one who wanted to hit Barack below the belt led by Bill, and the other who wanted to run a civil campaign led by her own personal liking of Barack. She vascillated between the two and you never knew which Hillary was going to show up. BARACK HAS RUN A CAMPAIGN THAT WILL ALTER FUTURE TEXTBOOKS ON THE SUBJECT

2 - Bill and others on her campaign committed one too many racial blunders in NC and other states. I guess Bill was not the first Black President afterall. BARACK IS NOT KNOWN FOR GOING ON THE OFFENSE OR BEING AN ATTACK DOG (HIS ACCHILLES HEEL) BUT HIS STYLE, DEMEANOR, AND INTELLIGENCE IS GAME CHANGING. COULD HE BE THE MESSIAH WE HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR - DON'T SLEEP, HE IS, EMBRACE HIM AND YOU WILL BE IN RAPTURE!!! THAT WAS FOR ALL YOU SUPER CHRISTIES OUT THERE!

3 - Hillary and her contemporaries ran the old style campaign of big states and bump and run everywhere else. BARACK RAN A GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGN LED BY THE INTERNET AND FOLLWED UP IN CAUCUSES AND PRIMARIES. HE LEARNED FROM GORE, DEAN & KERRY. HE UNDERSTOOD THE POWER OF ONE BY ONE BY ONE.

4 - Hillary overplayed her experience - especially her foreign policy experience and LIED about some of it. She knew that sipping tea and attending funerals as Fist Lady was not going to stand up so she faked a Bosnia aerial attack. BARACK LIKE JFK MAY NOT HAVE EXTENSIVE WASHINGTON EXPERIENCE - BUT SO MANY WITH EXPERIENCE HAVE DONE NOTHING WITH IT. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU SEE STOCK WITH POTENTIAL BUT LIMITED HISTORY AND YOU BUY THE STOCK BECAUSE YOU JUST KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE BIGGER THAN ANYTHING YOU IMAGINED - MICROSOFT, MASTERCARD, GOOGLE, STARBUCKS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN WHERE THEY ARE WERE IT NOT FOR THE POTENTIAL WE SAW IN THEM.

5 - In the last weeks of the campaign she threw the kitchen sink at him thereby opening the door for McCain to do the same. AMERICA SAW THROIUGH THIS AND THE NEW VOTERS,THE YOUNG VOTERS THAT NOBODY POLLS ARE TIRED OF THE SAME OLE BUSH AND CLINTON BULL - WE WOULD RATHER TAKE OUR CHANCES WITH BARACK BY BETTING ON INTELLIGENCE, SAVVY AND POTENTIAL.

So in summary, Hillary blew it and Barack knew it...Barack would have likely had her on the ticket, but two Clintons are more than even God can handle. We Barack supporters feel your pain, but how much kow-tow-ing is Barack supposed to do to win her over and win you over. This amount of resPect from the winner to the loser is unprecedented - she got a prime-time speech, he wants to pay her debt even though his people refuse to help the woman who ran a gutter campaign against him - can you really blame his fundraisers for that? The whole thing smells of racism - there's a different set of rules for Barack to play by than anyone else who has run for President. He shouldn't have to come kiss your asses to get your vote - when you should be clearly voting your interests; and Barack Obama is most interested in you. Even if Barack was your number 2, he is our best chance against the evil in McCain and the Republicans. So DON'T get over it - just vote for your self interests - vote for the Democratic ticket for President in 2008 and put Hillary on the ballot in 2012!

Posted by SMS | August 27, 2008 6:32 AM
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AMENDMENT TO #60...And we understand that it is easy to ascribe the gender bias and insulting remarks that Hillary received on the campaign trail from ignorant men to Barack's campaign simply because he was her primary opponent, however Barack's campaign did not ascribe the numerous death threats and racial slurs he and his family endures to Hillary's campaign because that would be playing in the same gutter that Hillary's campaign did and he always takes the high-road.

Posted by SMS | August 27, 2008 6:41 AM
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Anne spoke for many of us, black and white and hispanic. Why do you Obama people keep bringing up race? If 90 per cent of blacks are voting for Obama (and I will not, thank you very much), is this not racist? In my neighborhood, we would not even call Barack black. He is mixed race and lives an elitist lifestyle. He may have a degree from Harvard, but that don't give him any points, in my book either. Blacks I know are for Hillary. Some of their hothead kids want Barack, though. Kind of makes you wonder...

Posted by Charlene | August 27, 2008 6:51 AM
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I was watching CNN, and I couldn't believe it. I was like "is this woman for real?"..LOL..After Hillary's speech, to hear that nonsense was just weird. Look, if you don't want to vote for Obama, frankly, don't. That's your right. But to go on TV and slam the guy, at the democratic convention, saying you'll stay home, jeez. What has the guy ever done to you? No experience? Fine; but then the logical conclusion is that you should vote for McCain; after all, he's been in the senate for 20+ years. I'm not into voting for Obama because he's black, though that's obviously historic. Like Hillary said, you've got to think back and consider what this is all about. And if after that you think McCain is the guy, then vote for him. I'm tired of all those Hillary fans who are trying to get their asses kissed and come up with all these excuses. You don't want to vote for the guy, fine. Whatever. But don't come back and say you're a Democrat or complain when McCain nominates people on the supreme court in a year or two. Christ. People really do get the leaders they deserve.

Posted by Independent | August 27, 2008 7:57 AM
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Ann Price Mills? Last night was a sad display of drinking way too much Clinton kool aid.

Posted by Proud American | August 27, 2008 8:06 AM
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Just to let most of you obama supporters know that you are not going to unite the party by being a bunch of assholes to the Hillary supporters. And us Hillary supporters were fans and supporters of her back in the 90's and on.

I am a college student and all I HEARD was OBAMA this and OBAMA that. Screw him. Hillary all the way. She deserved this president seat more than anyone out there. Obama stole it from her with only the color of his skin. Because admit it, this is the most sexist and racist shit I have ever seen. This proves that black people are more racist than white people. They are too proud of their color and can't except the world as a unity.

You let your pride get in your way and now elected a poor democrat who will not be able to win up against McCain. Obama should of waited or worked as VP for Hillary. She would of chosen him and we all would of had that dream ticket. But no, obama's pride got in his way. This is why we needed a woman. Some of men's biggest weakness is PRIDE. So Fuck YOU obama supporters.
You all have been nothing but rude sons of a bitches. Even in college it was a pain walking around with my Hillary pin and hearing nothing but "racist bitch" "BROS BEFORE HOS" Fuck you. You all are so ignorant that you chose the wrong person. Thank you obama supporters for not having the common sense to learn to except others and have the brains to understand what this country needs and it was not Obama.
You all were even saying that you would of NEVER voted for Hillary if she was president. It was the same fucking thing. So shut your faces and stop acting like we are doing the wrong thing for not voting for him. He is the real loser in this. Not us or Hillary. The country will go on.

I hope to see that woman president one day. He should of picked her for VP. That would of been a dream and united this country and world. I saw it being a beautiful thing. Then I would of had some more respect for him. I will only vote for the democratic party but not him.

Hillary 2012!!!! and beyond!

GingerAnne

Posted by GingerAnne | August 27, 2008 8:07 AM
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An e-mail sent directly to Ms. Mills:
-----Original Message-----
From: hleightoney@bellsouth.net [mailto:hleightoney@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:19 AM
To: abpm@u.washington.edu
Subject: Your Remarks on CNN After Hillary's Speech

Ms. Mills:

I'm writing to you to offer a couple of thoughts based upon your remarks
tonight after Hillary's speech at the Democratic Convention. God bless
America! A country that gives each citizen, by virtue of the First
Amendment, the right to freedom of speech. I honor and respect your
right to express your sentiment and to advocate on behalf of the cause
of women in America, but I also feel deeply compelled to remind you of
some other basic tenets:

The 15th Amendment, passed February 26, 1869, gave African American men
the equal right to vote. The Fifteenth Amendment states: "The
right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or
abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color,
or previous condition of servitude." The Fifteenth Amendment is one of
the major tools which enabled African Americans to more fully
participate in democracy.

I am deeply dismayed at the irresponsible nature of your comments
suggesting that you may not vote; that kind of sentiment demonstrates
that you are perhaps not a suitable representative for the persons
who've elected you to serve in one of the most important roles in our
democracy; that of an elected delegate. Moreover, many African
Americans suffered and died to give you the right to vote and the
opportunity to serve as a delegate and to use your "15 minutes" on
national television to imply that you would rather not vote than to vote
for Barack Obama was an abysmal statement to hear, much less to witness
on national television!

I guess you were one of the ones "who were in it just for Hillary" and
who are willing to essentially "vote" for McCain by virtue of your
personal inaction. I hope you can live with your role as a role model
for others who would follow your "lead" and squander this opportunity to
arrest control of our country from the Republicans. How responsible!

Signed,
Hoping You'll Reconside

Posted by Leigh | August 27, 2008 8:08 AM
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Regardless of what anyone says or how anyone feels Obama is the Democratic Presidential Nominee!! Thank you, JESUS!

And as for Anne Price-Mills, She is a DRAMA Queen....She was just as fake (not genuine) as ever.

Hillary lost fair and square. Obama is the democratic nominee. Bottom line - The ticket will show Obama/Biden and any black women who will not vote for a black man because others expect her to since she is black is a ridiculous reason...and that is basically Anne's stance on this.

I am thankful that "God's Will" be done.

Now as we move forward and encourage each other to vote Democrat if we have any hope of getting out of this hell Bush has put us in for the last 8 years. No time to argue but to do what we know is right. God provides relief for his people and we start to pull apart the package because it doesn't look the way we think it should(the Israelites wandered around for 40 years because they would not listen to God and accept his commands and the journey was only 4 days long). God has given us Obama, let's not miss our blessing.
GOD BLESS AMERICA! Seattle for Obama!!

Posted by OBAMA PRESIDENT OF THE USA | August 27, 2008 9:22 AM
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Leigh,

What a way to pressure someone into voting for a canidate they do not trust or believe has the potential to run the country.
Just because hundreds of people died to give us the right to vote doesn't mean our vote should be pressured into something we feel deep in our heart is wrong. That is like someone saying we HAVE to vote McCain because we don't like Obama.
She will do what is right in the end. Have you even thought for a second that it was an emotional speech? It made all of us Hillary supporters sad to see that she was not the nominee. She spoke with honesty and strength. Her light shines in us all because we so many of us wanted to see her in obama's shoes.
Anne Price has spoken for so many of us. You would be suprised at how many of us felt the same way after Hillary's speech. As her supporters and people who believed she would make this country a better place. We shared her ideas and dreams. Hillary has been about those dreams and ideas WAY before Obama. She has always been trying hard to make this country a better place. She cares about everyone.
Obama supporters wouldn't vote for hillary and even said that if she beat obama to the nomination that they wouldn't have supported her. They were going to go over to McCain. Screw that. The obama supporters now are getting angry because their canidate isn't winning and may just lose.
How many times I heard from the OBAMA SUPPORTERS that Obama doesn't need hillary. He can win without her. He doesn't need her and her supporters. Well god were they wrong.

I want a democrat to be president this year but Obama was the wrong choice. He needed more experience and more time to grow and learn how to run things on his own without Biden to do it for him. That is not a president. Not a leader. He should of let Hillary win and then worked for her. But Pride got in his way.
Pride got in many of you obama supporter's ways. God forbid any of us hillary supporters have any pride. We have worked harder and had to be stronger supporting her. I got called every name in the book for supporting her. So screw you obama followers. You are all cruel and narrow minded people. You call us crazy for supporting Hillary when you should take a look at yourselves.
You all only support eachother and obama. But don't welcome hillary supporters in. It's up to Obama now. No thanks to his supporters who demand our vote. We have the right to vote for whoever we want. And saddly many of us will chose to go republican this year but the country has been republican for the past 8 years. What else would you expect.
Obama's words of change were all bullshit.
He chose Biden and that was the wrong thing to do. BIG MISTAKE. That is not a sign of change. I love how the media did everything in their power to believe and force the fact that Hillary was not worth the VP spot. They were right, she was worth MORE than the VP spot, but indeed to be our next president of the United States.

Obama should of been VP. And Hillary said she would of made him VP. Too bad we will never see such a ticket. A white woman and black man running together in unity. If that isn't change, then god help me to know what is.

Think a bit more before demanding votes or calling names. Obama supporters would of never supported hillary because they would be even more upset than us hillary supporters. They wanted the gold or nothing at all. At least us hill supporters would of been happy if she were even VP. All that bullshit about her stealing the spotlight is CRAP!!
And if it were true maybe that is telling you something. Saying, she should of been in that spotlight. The light has always shined down on her. She was the true leader and strong person out of all of this. We needed her more than anyone. Hell, she wouldn't even need a VP that is how amazing she is. Don't worry Hillary fans, we will see her shine again. Let obama try and fix this country. Or should I say Biden, because obama will be doing what he has been doing since this all started. NOTHING.

-GingerAnne

ANNE PRICE FOR LIFE AND LONG LIVE HILLARY CLINTON!

Posted by GingerAnne | August 27, 2008 9:44 AM
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if the roles were reversed,
clinton supporters i doubt would tell obama supporters to just get over it.
we would have much more compassion,and less anger. there is so much hate under this cloak of 'hope.'

Posted by c deb | August 27, 2008 9:58 AM
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I was saddened by the comments of Anne Price-Mills. She does have the right to cast her vote according to her conscience and I only hope she can live with 4 more years of George Bush if mcCain wins. To allude to the fact that she will possibly stay home rather than vote for Obama is really tragic. Barack Obama is an intelligent politician and can certainly run this country as well as HRC. The display of emotion and negative comments about Senator Obama makes me think of the slaves who preferred to stay on the plantation after the end of the civil war rather than seek freedom. This woman really embarrassed me and while it is true that Obama will not be able to fix this country in one term (no one but God could do that) this attitude of wanting him to fail (which would hurt everyone) just because so many Americans are blinded by fears, prejudice, and ignorance is a tragic commentary on our society. Perhaps had HRC not been so negative in her campaign she would have won or been in the number 2 spot. She attached Barack personally and gave more respect to John McCain than to Barack Obama. Do not vote for Senator Obama and if McCain wins you will get just what you deserve.

Posted by geniebunny | August 27, 2008 10:03 AM
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It was really sad to see Ann Price-Mills (any relation to Cheryl Mills from the Clinton Admin?) breaking down on CNN in support of Hillary. This is what happens when people put humans (their candidate) over party interests. You cannot tell our family and friends that the Republican agenda is better than the Democratic agenda. Whether it had been Hillary or anyone else as the nominee (Yeah Barack/Biden '08!), we are all sticking with the Democratic party. There is a big contrast on party ideology between both parties. Ann Price-Mills, needs to soul search as to why she's a Democrat.

Posted by Terry | August 27, 2008 10:05 AM
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I understand both sides of the argument, but I cannot understand how two "minorities" are battling each other when the real threat is just sitting back and reaping the rewards. Republicans will never do what both sides are doing, because they understand the importance of power. Mccain just recently voted against equal pay for women, why would you even consider voting or not voting for Obama, when mccain has said to you face they your needs don't matter. And to Obama supporters don't you think you should be a little more understanding of hrc's supporters opinions and paradigms. The best way to beat any enemy is too divide and conquer!!!! Both minority groups in play have had to " take the best available candidate" since the founding of this country. We must take our emotions out of the decision and make the most logical choice. P.S. People must give some people time to deal with their emotions ( as we all deal with things differently)

Posted by understand both sides | August 27, 2008 10:31 AM
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I was one of the shocked people watching CNN and Anne Price-Mills comments.

She clearly does have issues with either 1) hearing well, or 2) understanding what Hillary said about what being a democrat means.

As one Huff Post analyst said on CNN, Hillary clearly stated that she's a democrat, not anyones therapist. In my mind that was a nod towards Anne Price-Mills, she needs to seek help.

Posted by Tim | August 27, 2008 10:48 AM
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Obama supporters were racist and sexist and yes I'm Black too. Ask any Black person what did they know about Obama and his great CHANGE in Chicago and the Senate, before the campaign. Most did not know him, his issues, and they still don't. That's how much he flip flops. How does Biden and his 30 gaffed filled yrs in DC and his lobbyist son get you CHANGE. It's too late for Obama supporters to even wake up. We will lose to McCain more than we did with Kerry.

Fannie Lou Hamer would have rolled in her grave to know a black man was denying votes in the South, like Obama did in my state of FL, just so he could win. Who and how will he sell out next? The DNC knew we were forced to hold our primary early by our Republican legislature. If our votes not counting was such an important rule don't ask for our votes now! Now you know you can't win without FL, Mich, women, Pa, etc. You thought your man was going to win in Nov. with Idaho, Wyoming, the Dakotas and all those red states he won earlier. Those wins were rigged by conservatives, who could vote in our races, to beat Hillary, since the RNC had already picked McCain.

The DNC knew the primaries were flawed by such conservative mischief, but was afraid Blacks might riot. I switched from Dem to Independant soon after that. Now be very afraid, because you're tied with McCain and losing fast! Now Halliburton and the rest of the oil giants can roll merrily along. Did you actually think the powers that be were going to allow Snoop and the rappers at the Inaugural balls?! If Obama truly got all these new voters and thereby increased the popular vote, why is he tied? Even with all his high tech nonsense about texting his VP choice, CNN beat him to the punch. CNN is deep in the tank with him, making you second class. So much for spare CHANGE!

Posted by Cindy | August 27, 2008 10:52 AM
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This woman is a disgrace to African Americans. It's fine that she identifies with being a woman before being black, but to go as far as saying that she would not support Obama and in the same breath talk about how far we've come makes her the ultimate hypocrite. Obama's policies are 90% in line with Hillary's and whether or not she thinks he can get the job done, she needs to realize that every lost vote for the democrats equals one vote for McCain. So I guess the thought of having another old white man with Bush's policies is better to her than having a young black man who inspires. Anne Price-Mills truly saddens me...

Posted by judith | August 27, 2008 10:54 AM
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GingerAnne,

While my intention was not to get involved in a protracted debate, I had to respond to you since you called me out by name. The first sentence or two or your retort suggested that you perhaps had some rationale thoughts to share, but as I read your statements more thoroughly the cohesiveness and rationality of your argument began to deteriorate at an alarming rate. I was always told that persons with limited vocabulary are forced to resort to cuss words and name calling, so I'd caution you to think about how your represent yourself, and more important to you, how effective a representative you are for your candidate -- Hillary Clinton. Right now you and the "others" among you seem to be unraveling like the threads on a polyester suit.

This much I know, and I can only speak for myself as a woman of color; as a Democrat and as an Obama Supporter from "day one." (Pun intended!):

First, I would vote for ANY DEMOCRAT whose name had been chosen to appear at the top of the ticket -- even Hillary Clinton. Any Democrat is better than the prospect of four more years of Bush-McCain politics!

Second, I care about high quality education; access to healthcare for all; affordable housing; and a clean environment, for my children and for your children even, and my belief, as should be yours, is that a Democrat, and Barack Obama in particular, will more likely advance a platform more in line my principles and beliefs.

Lastly, we need to move beyond the cult of personality. I, like you, want to see my candidate propelled to the White House. I'll be heartbroken, crestfallen and dejected if that reality is not achieved. HOWEVER, nothing can and nothing ever make me will sit out a vote -- that's irresponsible, cowardice, selfish and makes a mockery of our country's efforts to democratize the world while we American shamelessly sit on the sidelines when our team doesn't win!

Hillary said what she had to say and you and others of her supporters should repeat the mantra she offered over and over again until it tastes like sweet manna on your lips -- NO WAY, NO HOW, NO MCCAIN!

Posted by Leigh | August 27, 2008 11:09 AM
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GingerAnne,

While my intention was not to get involved in a protracted debate, I had to respond to you since you called me out by name. The first sentence or two or your retort suggested that you perhaps had some rationale thoughts to share, but as I read your statements more thoroughly the cohesiveness and rationality of your argument began to deteriorate at an alarming rate. I was always told that persons with limited vocabulary are forced to resort to cuss words and name calling, so I'd caution you to think about how your represent yourself, and more important to you, how effective a representative you are for your candidate -- Hillary Clinton. Right now you and the "others" among you seem to be unraveling like the threads on a polyester suit.

This much I know, and I can only speak for myself as a woman of color; as a Democrat and as an Obama Supporter from "day one." (Pun intended!):

First, I would vote for ANY DEMOCRAT whose name had been chosen to appear at the top of the ticket -- even Hillary Clinton. Any Democrat is better than the prospect of four more years of Bush-McCain politics!

Second, I care about high quality education; access to healthcare for all; affordable housing; and a clean environment, for my children and for your children even, and my belief, as should be yours, is that a Democrat, and Barack Obama in particular, will more likely advance a platform more in line my principles and beliefs.

Lastly, we need to move beyond the cult of personality. I, like you, want to see my candidate propelled to the White House. I'll be heartbroken, crestfallen and dejected if that reality is not achieved. HOWEVER, nothing can and nothing ever make me will sit out a vote -- that's irresponsible, cowardice, selfish and makes a mockery of our country's efforts to democratize the world while we American shamelessly sit on the sidelines when our team doesn't win!

Hillary said what she had to say and you and others of her supporters should repeat the mantra she offered over and over again until it tastes like sweet manna on your lips -- NO WAY, NO HOW, NO MCCAIN!

Posted by Leigh | August 27, 2008 11:09 AM
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This bitch needs to be kicked out of the convention

Posted by DEemocrat | August 27, 2008 11:30 AM
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I feel its a shame that people are so caught up in their own emotions that they can't see the bigger picture. Ms. Ann Price you are entitled to your feelings but please realize that CNN exploited you and your interview post-speech was in complete contradiction to the excellent speech your candidate Hilary Clinton just made!

Also, I found it embarrassing that you would be a delagate and say you may not vote. Furthermore, how can you be so proud of Hilary and women's rights and say you may not vote?

Hilary Clinton has asked her supporters to move on. Do you realize that by staying home you are supporting John McCain. Do you realize that many of the things Hilary would do as President, Barack will also strive to do. Are you looking at the bigger picture? Or are you just caught up in the emotion of it all. This ignorance is so frustrating!

Posted by concerned Democrat | August 27, 2008 11:35 AM
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Leigh:

I only respond to you directly (in this first paragraph) because the statements you made above about four more years of Bush-mcCain is correct. I too would have voted for HRC if BO had not won. We really do need to get beyond our own candidate and do what is best for the country.

To those of you who will stay home or vote for McCain, I sincerely hope you do not have young relatives between the ages of 15 and 18 because it will not be long before they are sent off to fight; they will not be fighting for freedom or democracy but will once again be in a foolish war that will not benefit the country. My father and brother are both veterans so I totally support the military and understand that freedom is bought with a price. But senseless war is just that-senseless and it should be criminal. John McCain, while a war hero has now become a war monger; listen to him-war is the topic of most of his speeches and comments. Put your anger aside and look at the issues-not the person.

Posted by geniebunny | August 27, 2008 11:42 AM
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Leigh,

Your words I am sure meant no harm but we strongly stand by our candidate. I mean, it has been hard to just quickly make up our minds. We support the democratic party but at the rate that Obama and his supporters are going it seems they have a party of their own.
I feel like Hillary and her supporters should make their own damn party. Since this race started, we have been struggling to support Hillary. We got called racist and heard horrible sexist things tossed at us because we were not supporting Obama to be the first black president.
Black, white, purple it don't matter. He is still another man trying to run the country with no experience and using his skin color as a way of change.
The Clintons fought long and hard for African Americans. It's sad that the fight they put out was forgot by one man's color. Just because Hillary isn't black or Bill doesn't mean they are different or honest and strong enough to make this country a better place.
Obama has plenty of time on his hands as Hillary doesn't. She is getting older and Obama just needed a little bit more time to build up his experience and knowledge of the world. He's young still.

For you to be upset over one woman's emotions is just wrong. You can't force people to do what you want or support what you think is right. People need to do that on their own. The more people preach to each other the more annoyed the person listening gets. It is up to the people to decide who they want. NO ONE WANTS MCCAIN. And the only reason why Hillary supporters would vote for mccain is so that they can see Hillary again in 2012. If obama wins, he may get reelected and then Hillary will be even older to run in 8 years.
Women want to see a woman president just as much as African Americans want to see a black president. But it's sad because if there were to be any woman to do the job, it was Hillary Clinton. And that chance to see her be that president of any female president with knowledge such as hers could of happened this year. But that chance may be gone and lost forever.
This is why Anne was upset. She was upset at the moment. She could be changing her mind now but at that moment, it was a great moment and made a lot of us cry. Because we saw Hillary's potential at it's best. We saw her shine brighter than anything. For her to get up there and be that strong even knowing that she lost and got so close to making history and helping all those people who need health care, that takes a true leader. For her to go and say all those nice things about Barack Obama. For her to do her very best in all her power to make as many of us as she can support him, is just special.
You see, Hillary showed us what strength and leadership is all about. Even after losing to Obama she showed her support for him. And Biden. She stood up to all her supporters who love her and believe in her and told them to go to Obama. That has got to be hard. I can't tell you anyone that would do such a thing. She is a special person. I am sure Obama is proud and probably wishing he chose her for VP.
You obviously do not understand. And your pain would be shocking if you found that Obama got so close, lost and had to give such a powerful speech. The pain in your heart would of been just as great as Anne Price's.
I feel us Hillary supporters will vote for Obama, but not for him, but for Hillary so the media doesn't tare her apart like they have done since she ever started doing good things for this country. So they don't blame her if Obama loses. Not Fair. So not fair.

Long Live Hillary R. Clinton. I wish we could preserve that woman forever. I made many wishes and my wishes were to see Hillary become president. There will be plenty more African American men to run but there was only one Hillary. One woman strong enough for the job. I could think of many other African American men who could of ran and been strong enough to last but no other woman than Hillary and to get as far as she did. She made history and she will make it again.

-GingerAnne

Posted by GingerAnne | August 27, 2008 11:42 AM
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Anne Price-Mills comments were very disgraceful and embarassing! Our ancestors were beaten and killed for us to have the right to VOTE and for anyone (especially a woman of her age) to throw that right away because your nominee did not win is very sad to say the least. WHAT ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Kim | August 27, 2008 11:46 AM
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GingerAnne, I think your way of thinking is immature. Intelligent voters are not simply voting for Hilary because she is a woman or voting for Obama simply because he is Black. Its about their vision for the country, their values as people, can they improve the economy, provide better jobs, unite the country...

Playing this 2012 game is also an immature way of thinking and you are sacrificing ordinary people's future, jobs, lives etc. TODAY! Are you saying that you want 4 years of McCain...4 more years of people dying in a senseless war...just to MAYBE get Hilary in the office in 2012???

Posted by Voter 08 | August 27, 2008 12:14 PM
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That sound you hear is the boys and girls at RNC headquarters cheering and celebrating after watching Mrs. Price-Mills' teary eyed (and slightly too dramatic) lament on CNN.
Way to go, Annie!!!

Posted by RudyPoo Jabroni | August 27, 2008 12:15 PM
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I am truly baffled at the people who will endure 4 more years (if you honestly believe he wont get 8) of this kind of lunacy in the White House. I just hope your crap shoot doesn't come back to bite you in the butt. Who knows what kind of country we will have in four years. I wonder if there is a draft (because we cant get anymore people to enlist), who would be the first ones to sign their children up to fight in this senseless war? (Looking for a show of hands). Who will still have homes to live in? How long will this recession last? How many more people will be unemployed because McCain (just like airhead Bush) doesn't have a clue about the economy. Why should he care, he's sitting on his wife's millions and never had or will have to worry. ANYONE WHO DOESN'T VOTE...IS GIVING THEIR APPROVAL OF THE LAST 8 YEARS!!! I just pray to God that we can afford to WAIT until 2012 or 2016.

Posted by Baffled | August 27, 2008 12:27 PM
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Voter 08,

Sorry but where in my comment did I MENTION that I wanted 4 more years of McCain? It's not up to me if Obama fails. It's up to him to get off his ass and do something about it. Why count on Hillary and her supporters? Why not prove it to the country and even to these republicans that he is worthy? Why get upset over my views.
People have their right to vote for whoever they want. If we lived this long with Bush, we can go on but doesn't mean that even if Obama wins that Hillary can't run in 2012.
And the war is going to last another 3 years anyway because there is no way in hell that obama will be able to take those solders out anytime soon.
Obama has a big job ahead of him and I don't think he is ready. He is not strong enough. But even if he wins, he wont get much done. Hillary was ready. And at least if she wins in 2012 we will see a better future faster.
Looks like to me you all just voted for Biden to be your president because Barack will not do much. That is my view. McCain will just be more of the same.
But It's up to Obama to show that he is worthy to be our leader. He has done nothing. Threatening us with war and the downfall of other people's lives doesn't seem immature to you?? Sorry but this is politics. Get over it and go cry elsewhere.
People will vote for whoever they want. You can't put a stop to that. And not to mention it's up to the leader to gain the voters trust. Otherwise people will not be able to sleep at night no matter who is president.

Good Luck!
-GingerAnne

Posted by GingerAnne | August 27, 2008 12:40 PM
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I find it funny too how all these Obama supporters are getting so frustrated over the fact that only about half if that of the Hillary supporters will not vote for Obama. Many of them have already given their vote to obama and support him fully.

How about blame your candidate for not doing the right thing and choosing the right VP? It's not the Hillary supporters fault that Obama isn't winning in the polls right now.

It is his mistake and has showed that he doesn't care for Hillary's supporters and that he didn't need her to become president. I have heard by the media and many Obama supporters, yet all I see now because of these polls that suddenly the Hillary supporters are needed.

We were bashed, called names, insulted and even called racist for supporting Hillary. Told we were not needed and now yet here are the Obama dogs, whining that half of us just can't give our vote to him. Poor puppies, don't whimper so loud the rest of the world might see how week you are. Just like a woman you all said right? lol ha.

Should of chose Hillary. Did you know that a lot of Hillary's supporters were republican and only voted for her because she was a woman? Same for barack obama? He got some republicans who voted for him because he was black. That is the way it is. You can lie to yourselves all you want. But it was the truth. THe race card and sex card was played hard. This is why no one has the guts to run for president who is of color or female.
If there was someone else who was sent to run for president with his small amounts of experience and wasn't black. He would of been laughed out of there before anyone. But Hillary had the experience. People knew of her work that she did even for her husband who mind you did a fantastic job on this country.
Cars just got larger in those times. SUV's couldn’t have gotten any bigger and remember the saying "wider is better" lol now smaller is better. Thanks to Bush. No one wants a big car anymore. No one has the money for the gas or food. I don't see McCain or Obama fixing this country as fast as Hillary could of.

Good Luck to this country. We are going to need it.

Posted by GingerAnne | August 27, 2008 12:59 PM
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GingerAnne, it will be almost impossible for Obama/Biden to convince voters like you. You are so anti-Obama you can't even see the bigger picture for the Democrat party. I think Obama has proved that he is a many of strong values and morals and will make a great President, but people don't know him, can't get over that he is Black, and he does not have an extensive history in politics...all hurdles most people are fully aware of but support his vision for the country, his ideals and his concern for the average American.

How can you love Hilary so much and not think McCain will reverse everything she stands for. For example, Obama has a very similar healthcare plan to Hilary and Hilary knows that Obama will help her acheive her healthcare goal rather than McCain. Read up on the platforms please before simply hating...just to hate. Do you get the bigger picture or are you simply too bitter?

Posted by Voter08 | August 27, 2008 12:59 PM
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Voter 08,

AGAIN why do you assume that us hillary supporters or I for that matter are not going to vote for OBAMA? Have you not been reading what I have been saying?

You have already proven that you would never vote for Hillary by all this arueing back and forth shit. Seriously. I never said I was voting for McCain. What I have been saying is that it is up to Obama to get supporters not me or anyone else. Nor Hillary. The people know what they want and we will see what is chosen in a couple months.

Stop this acusing and assuming shit. I am voting for Obama but not for him but for the democratic party. Nothing else, nothing less. I don't care what you think of Obama or how great you think he is. He isn't any of that to me but just another man running for president with an older man behind him not representing any change what so ever.
Obama only gets my vote for the democratic people. Not because I think he would be a great leader.
Never have I said that I was staying home or voting for McCain. So please learn to read and stop assuming that everyone who supports hillary and thinks she is a great person who is a great leader is not voting for Obama. I think the Unity thing is bullshit and poor Hillary has to be put in the middle and even get blamed if Obama fails. Which I had a feeling he would because he is lacking experience. The delegates and media wanted Obama.

Again, bashing Hillary supporters and pressuring them to vote for your canidate is not going to get them to want to vote for him any more. You are an example of why some hillary supporters hate obama because of his supporters. They can't except the fact that they like hillary. Get over yourself. I see the only one here who is bitter is you. What else do you want from Hillary and her supporters? I think you need to get the real picture here.
Now go back to playing Obama's follower and vote for him all you want. But your word doesn't count. Only Obama's does. For he is the only one with the power to win over Hillary's supporters. Hillary did all she could.

-Ginger

Posted by GingerAnne | August 27, 2008 1:23 PM
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Voter 08,

AGAIN why do you assume that us Hillary supporters or I for that matter are not going to vote for OBAMA? Have you not been reading what I have been saying?

You have already proven that you would never vote for Hillary by all this arguing back and forth shit. Seriously. I never said I was voting for McCain. What I have been saying is that it is up to Obama to get supporters not me or anyone else. Nor Hillary. The people know what they want and we will see what is chosen in a couple months.

Stop this accusing and assuming shit. I am voting for Obama but not for him but for the democratic party. Nothing else, nothing less. I don't care what you think of Obama or how great you think he is. He isn't any of that to me but just another man running for president with an older man behind him not representing any change what so ever.
Obama only gets my vote for the democratic people. Not because I think he would be a great leader.
Never have I said that I was staying home or voting for McCain. So please learn to read and stop assuming that everyone who supports Hillary and thinks she is a great person who is a great leader is not voting for Obama. I think the Unity thing is bullshit and poor Hillary has to be put in the middle and even get blamed if Obama fails. Which I had a feeling he would because he is lacking experience. The delegates and media wanted Obama.

Again, bashing Hillary supporters and pressuring them to vote for your candidate is not going to get them to want to vote for him any more. You are an example of why some Hillary supporters hate obama because of his supporters. They can't except the fact that they like Hillary. Get over yourself. I see the only one here who is bitter is you. What else do you want from Hillary and her supporters? I think you need to get the real picture here.
Now go back to playing Obama's follower and vote for him all you want. But your word doesn't count. Only Obama's does. For he is the only one with the power to win over Hillary's supporters. Hillary did all she could.

-Ginger


Posted by GingerAnne | August 27, 2008 1:24 PM
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GingerAnne, you have me somewhat confused as I was orginally a Hillary supporter. I was responding to your comments in another entry and responding to the fact that many people like Ann Price who are die hard Hillary supporters are miss the bigger picture. Don't appreciate your language but you have a right to your opinions. Gotta log off now. Take care.

Posted by Voter08 | August 27, 2008 1:33 PM
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Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die. It seems to me that many Hillary supporters are resentful of the fact that she lost, and are willing to allow the country to die behind it. I am baffled at the fact that anyone would actually think that not voting for Barack is going to hurt him personally? Please believe that he will be alright regardless, as well will be Hillary, but can we say the same thing for the country? Have we become so simplistic in our thought process that we cannot see how voting for McCain or not voting for a democrat (which happens to be Barack) will affect us personally. Are we really going to willingly allow the policies of the Republican party to continue to kill us slowly? It is definitely mind boggling to me. When did it become an election about a particular person, instead of the issues? When did it become more important to vote in the person we prefer, instead of voting to protect the livelihood of the country? Are we all so arrogant to believe that by sitting by sulking we can make things better? I really hope that what I've read on this message board is just emotions speaking for the moment, and that your brains will direct you come November. Remember this, it is not about Barack or Hillary, it is about the future of America. If you love America and are a "True" democrat, then I know you'll make the most logical decision come November.

Posted by phila | August 27, 2008 2:01 PM
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During the roll call Calif. passed! That's after Obama was supported by Oprah, the Kennedys, and David Geffen. There is still tension in the Dem. party that Obama split worse than Nader. Why didn't he and the party rally around Clinton, after Super Tuesday. So what that Idaho has more votes than NJ, Dems are not going to carry Idaho and all those other red states in Nov.

Do you get it now - Obama will lose in Nov.!

Posted by Cindy | August 27, 2008 3:23 PM
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This woman is completely out of touch with reality.

This is an African American Woman. A double minority. And she will always be viewed as African American first and a woman second. It is the law of the land...even to those who will comment as to why I had to bring race into this issue.

I do because this woman won no matter how she looks at it. She is African American and the history that was not made through gender was certainly made through race.

This moment was historical for her no matter how she tries to chop it up, deny it, ignore it, live outside of it.

This woman is clearly out of touch with reality.

African American women still make less money than White women with less education.

This is truly frustrating to me!

This woman needs a reality check. A really BIG ONE!!!!

And Mr. Obama doesn't need to prove anything to her. His agenda has been clear since day one. And if she has been ignoring it, I suggest she goes to the Harriet Tubman library and learn something about who she really is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Clinton / Lewinsky '16 | August 27, 2008 4:12 PM
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Ginger-anne
Just F..off. Please. You don't want to vote for Obama, then don't. Nobody will kiss your butt. Jeez. Stop the narcissistic nonsense.

Posted by Independent | August 27, 2008 4:51 PM
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GingerAnne, don't try to give the BS impression that you speak for "us Hillary supporters". You don't. You speak for one single person and poorly at that.

That reminds me of the so-called PUMA supporters that have their websites paid for by the republican party.

I'm still amazed that the mainstream media don't call the PUMAs what they are: republicans that try to confuse the democratic voters.

Posted by Madeleine | August 27, 2008 5:46 PM
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What is all talk about Hillary supporters and Obama supporters? Obviously, we have all forgotten what we stand for, because to publicly announce that you may possibly not vote is a complete disregard of everything we as DEMOCRATS work towards. This is a petty conflict that sadly involves themes of sexism and race, and as a whole, it poorly represents our party and us as individuals.

When Bush was the topic of conversation, all of us were DEMOCRAT, and there was unity. So now that we have different opinions on our personal choice of candidate, unity is now overshadowed by bitterness. It makes me as a proud DEMOCRAT disgusted in the way we represent our party. Do you think Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney supporters are going to even hesitate voting for McCain in November? Not because they like him or they deemed him to be better than their original choice, but simply because he’s a republican. They understand as a party they all have to support McCain because although he may not be the most credible candidate for them, he still shares the morals and values that define republicans as a whole.

Is that not why we are united as a party? If that’s not the case then Mrs. Price-Mills shouldn’t be at the DEMOCRATIC convention , she should be an independent. I understand her position but she should understand that we can’t have more Bush-like influence in office, and I for one will not accept any thing less from a DEMOCRAT than unity.

Posted by Proud Democrat | August 27, 2008 6:17 PM
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The DNC stopped counting the votes at California. I am from PA. My daughter proudly cast her very first vote for Senator Clinton in April. The DNC did not count our votes. That's it. I am no longer a Democrat and the Democrats do not represent me. If the DNC can't count my vote today, then it does not need my vote in November.

And to the OBAMA fanatics who will choose to throw insults at me while questioning my sanity etc. I say "Knock yourselves out!" and see how far that gets you with other's who like me, might once have supported the OBAMA campaign. I wanted to like Obama. I was so happy at the prospect of seeing some diversity on the ticket...but I can't tolerate a party that insults me for my views and then discounts my primary vote. I don't blame Obama half as much as I blame the Democratic leadership. So long and good luck.

Posted by Elizabeth | August 27, 2008 8:45 PM
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Whoops, typo -- I don't know where California came from, I meant New York in my first sentence.

Posted by Elizabeth | August 27, 2008 9:00 PM
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I don't care any more. I like Joe Biden. I have met him and he is a genuineliy good person, yet despite my positige feelings toward Joe Biden, I have to say that for me, he Democratic party leadership is a big disappointmjent. What a bunch of gutless wonders going all the way back to 9/11 when no one had the guts to challenge Bush. Thus began the politics of intimidation, alive and well in the emotionally charged attacks from some of Obama's supporters. To those who would attack me for my views, perhaps you might ask yourself why you feel so compelled. If you yell and scream and hurl ihslts at my "rabid feminism',,, do you think that is going to make me vote for a Democrat in the fall? I think not.

Posted by Liz | August 27, 2008 9:18 PM
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Hey Liz
You must have been tired because your typing is usually better. Anyway, I agree that Biden is a good guy, but I wanted Obama to choose Senator Clinton. I am tired of all the fighting. I plan to turn off the TV and the computer and give it a rest for now. It's late so I am going to call it a day, before I starting making typos too.

Posted by Anne | August 27, 2008 9:28 PM
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I suggest that we all take a break and remember what is really important. You can be mad at the Democratic party and the fact that Hillary lost, but you will be hurt if your house is foreclosed, if you can't afford health insurance, if you can't afford food and gas all because you want to make sure someone knows that you're mad. I hope you understand, that you are hurting no one but yourself and your fellow Americans. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

Posted by PhilA | August 27, 2008 10:12 PM
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I suggest that we all take a break and remember what is really important. You can be mad at the Democratic party and the fact that Hillary lost, but you will be hurt if your house is foreclosed, if you can't afford health insurance, if you can't afford food and gas all because you want to make sure someone knows that you're mad. I hope you understand, that you are hurting no one but yourself and your fellow Americans. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

Posted by PhilA | August 27, 2008 10:13 PM
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If Hillary had won, there would have been no conversation. The Rethuglicans would not have one ad from Obama that they could use against Hillary. Obama tried to tell her about the negative campaigning and that she needed to remember that they were both democrats. Hillary kicked Obama to the curb and said McCain would make a better president because she wanted to win at all costs. She did all the Rethuglicans work for them, they can run her ads for the next two months and make it work for them. On top of that, she put Obama on blast and tried to punk Obama into making her the VP, what the hell was that?? She messed her VP chances up all on her own.

Posted by Babylonsista | August 28, 2008 1:32 PM
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Barack constantly accused Hillary of not having the personal integrity/will to create positive change in this country. I recall an ad in PA that ran non-stop saying that SHE would just bring "more of the same" to the White House. He also made remarks about how he knew Hillary's supporters would vote for HIM, but he didn't think his would vote for HER. I'd call that pretty negative, and would have provided fuel for McCain had she been the nominee. They both had pretty negative things to say about one another during the campaign, because they both wanted to win. It goes both ways.

Posted by Tara | August 28, 2008 10:12 PM
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THIS strong woman would not vote for McCain and Palin even if offered ten million dollars. Unlike a lot of women hemming and hawing I actually READ and recognize that a vote for McCain would be an INSULT to Hillary's platform. Candidates are representatives of their party and their platforms are based on traditional party values. McCain does NOT value women's rights and would set us back 200 years.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face is a dumb move and I'm certain not many would.

Posted by CreoleInDC | August 29, 2008 5:52 PM
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Peace and Blessings
Anne Price-Mills

Did you know that 38 million+ people possible saw you on TV when you made those silly and stupid remarks. You are going to be hound, hound, hound, hound to death.

I'm going to start praying for you right now.

CNN is looking to interview again, did you know that? You can make amend when they do.
They want to know how you feel after you heard Obama speech...

God have mercy on my Black Sister.

Olin Ross

Posted by Olin Ross | August 29, 2008 10:02 PM
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Continuing to insult Hillary Clinton and her supporters like Anne Price Mills and telling them to "get over it," will not make it so. It will only make those who worked so hard for Hillary even more upset and drive them further away. And that would be a shame because it was clear that Anne Price Mills was wavering, not insisting she would never support Obama. One would hope that anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence would realize this. But perhaps some here are actually right-wing trolls posing as Obama supporters, smearing Team Hillary to further the division.



It also is true that tapping Hillary as VP would have healed much of the rift. For whatever reason, Obama chose not to do that -- and it looks to many Hillary supporters like a slap in the face to the 18 million who supported her. Image how you would feel if the situation was reversed.

Posted by Ogre Mage | September 1, 2008 2:48 AM
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She was a plant. No one is that stupid.I t didn't bother her when Hillary sugessted assination. Geraldine Ferraro racism.Hillary and Rush Limbaugh participating together in "Operation Chaos"there two reasons Hillary's not there,racism and voting for the war.That womans performance look like mammy from gone with the wind."Please don't hurt massa",that was ingorant.

Posted by kid funkadelic | September 1, 2008 5:22 AM
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He could have picked Gov.Richardson if Hillary didn't have her friends throw up race.Now the sexism charge he didn't say a thing.Now hillary's new racist friends Limbaugh and Oreilly called her the b-word a lot.

Posted by kid funkadelic | September 1, 2008 5:32 AM

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