Slog - Comments on The Prison Card http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card In case you've spent all your time watching the DNC: Last night, Jay Leno asked John McCain how many houses he has. McCain responded that he was in prison for 5 1/2 years. He seriously needs to stop with the goddamned prison card. Did he learn nothing from Giuliani's endless repetition of 9/11?... Copyright 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:36:37 -0800 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:30:09 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Mike in MO uh, he is going to fucking win with the goddamn prison card.

And no one is even going to acknowledge how odious that is.

]]> Mike in MO http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114064 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114064 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:40:32 -0800 Comment by Jessica John, the dead horse: plz to stop beating it. kthxbai.

]]> Jessica http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114069 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114069 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:44:09 -0800 Comment by Karlheinz Arschbomber This prison card.... yes it cheapens the whole concept of sacrifice.

"I was a POW in Vietnam" is the new "subject-verb-9/11". A slogan for morons. Works wonders in Flyover/Jeebus Country.

]]> Karlheinz Arschbomber http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114072 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114072 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:46:52 -0800 Comment by levide If time in a Vietnamese prison gives him points is he going to announce Gary Glitter as his running mate? Guaranteed victory!

]]> levide http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114075 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114075 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:47:44 -0800 Comment by flamingbanjo Afterwards, did Leno give him a handjob?

]]> flamingbanjo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114078 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114078 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:49:16 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger A noun a verb and POW. What a fuck wad. If he had real leadership he would have escaped.

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114079 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114079 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:49:16 -0800 Comment by Gurldoggie @1 is right. Why should he stop? He's winning.

]]> Gurldoggie http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114081 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114081 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:51:25 -0800 Comment by Just Sayin' @7, no, he isn't, and he won't.

]]> Just Sayin' http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114095 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114095 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:07:37 -0800 Comment by DOUG. A true POW wouldn't flap his toothless gums about it. At least Bush was smart enough to dodge the draft.

]]> DOUG. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114097 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114097 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:10:37 -0800 Comment by Grant Cogswell Leno is SUCH a tool. Where did they get that audience from?

]]> Grant Cogswell http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114103 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114103 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:17:14 -0800 Comment by Mike in MO @ 8: I hope you're right, but you better fight like an underdog. After 2004, I will never believe Americans are smart enough to elect the right person.

]]> Mike in MO http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114105 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114105 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:18:03 -0800 Comment by elenchos Fucking awesome. More, please.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114109 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114109 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:19:30 -0800 Comment by w7ngman But, like, Obama is a celebrity.

]]> w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114117 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114117 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:25:31 -0800 Comment by Just Sayin' @11, good point (you can throw 2000 in there, too), but this year feels more like 1992 to me. I do intend to fight but I know we are going to win this time.

I love my country, and I know we're better than this.

]]> Just Sayin' http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114118 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114118 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:27:16 -0800 Comment by Fnarf @4: you are my new hero.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114119 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114119 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:27:32 -0800 Comment by Eric Grandy @4, 15: Well, at least he would get some great campaign songs out of that deal.

]]> Eric Grandy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114124 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114124 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:32:29 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle So, does he get points for learning how to make a shiv and having uncontrollable anger outbreaks that are only acerbated by his dementia (or is it Alzheimer's - Reagan got his about this age)?

Nuh uh.

Fess up to the fact you work for the top 0.1 percent of America and against the remaining 99.9 percent of us who still believe in our core American values of Truth, Justice, and the American Middle Class way of life, John!

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114126 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114126 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:33:57 -0800 Comment by LDP @1 is right. It's all well and good for us to recognize on a blog that McCain's beating the POW horse is bullshit, but someone at that convention needs to say it, and they need to say it a lot in the couple of months to follow.

On the other hand, it's not that easy, is it? Wesley Clark tried to say a while ago that time spent as a POW does not necessarily qualify one to be President of the United States, and half the country blew a gasket.

]]> LDP http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114139 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114139 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:41:23 -0800 Comment by elswinger MSNBC (especially Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow) are all over this. They have come out and said how disgusting it is. I expect that we'll see more of this covered in Newsweek very soon.

]]> elswinger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114142 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114142 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:42:10 -0800 Comment by infrequent it was his second home.

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114143 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114143 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:42:34 -0800 Comment by w7ngman #10, seemed like a standard Leno audience to me.

]]> w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114145 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114145 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:43:05 -0800 Comment by Liar McCain was never in Prison or a POW cmap.

He spent his Vietnam days lounging by the pool of the HANOI HILTON.

THE HANOI HILTON is not a prison. It's a Five star hotel.

Check out it's website:

http://www1.hilton.com/en_US/hi/hotel/HANHITW-Hilton-Hanoi-Opera-hotel/index.do

http://www.vietnamstay.com/hotel/hilton/

]]> Liar http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114158 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114158 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:55:00 -0800 Comment by Gurldoggie He's really full of it. And did you notice that he never actually answered the question? Never mind your time in prison or how much ass your father-in-law kissed. The question is straight forward: How many houses do you own?

]]> Gurldoggie http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114161 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114161 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:57:09 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle McCain never answers direct questions, @23.

Royalty never has to.

Just ask King George.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114166 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114166 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:59:56 -0800 Comment by PC The prison card is a compelling, moving story. Not to me, not to you but to those undecided voters in all those places we wouldn't even deign to live in. It makes a connection with the gut--it connects with voters. Hate to intrude with reality into the bubble here.

]]> PC http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114172 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114172 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:04:15 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Why is McCain on fucking Leno so much? And the Daily Show? Thirteen times each! OK, Leno's a giant floating turd, but Stewart's supposed to have a clue. Why do these people kiss his ass SO FUCKING MUCH?

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114173 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114173 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:05:18 -0800 Comment by Gurldoggie That's a joke, right @22?

The name "Hanoi Hilton" is the army's toungue-in-cheek name for the prison camp at Hoa Lo. It's a pretty infamous place, built by the French in the late 1800's to hold and torture political prisoners. It ain't no hotel and McCain really was there for 5 years. Not that it makes him a good candidate, but I'm sure it did suck.

]]> Gurldoggie http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114178 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114178 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:08:06 -0800 Comment by sepiolida McCain killed that. Impressively.

Damn.

]]> sepiolida http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114184 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114184 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:12:07 -0800 Comment by COMTE @18:

Unless it comes out of the mouth of a fellow former POW, and a prominent one at that (former FL Congressman Pete Peterson is the only former Viet Nam POW I can think of on the Dem side), it's not going to carry much weight, and even then it's just going to play as a pretty bald-faced attack; which of course would be exactly what it is.

Even so, there has to be some way around the "I was a POW - I DESERVE to be Preznit!" meme, just as there was a way around Hillary's similarly couched "I'm a WOMAN - I DESERVE it!" meme.

]]> COMTE http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114197 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114197 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:24:14 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Comte for the win!

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114210 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114210 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:32:11 -0800 Comment by elenchos There was a time when they said Rudy couldn't possibly overdraw his 9/11 credit. What with it being sacred and whatnot. But this man was so slimy that he actually did it. He made 9/11 into a punchline. Can McCain make POW into a joke too? Yes, he can.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114215 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114215 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:36:09 -0800 Comment by chet. @27 lol.urdense.uberdense.lol.

]]> chet. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114228 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114228 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:44:16 -0800 Comment by Mahtli69 Something tells me that Biden pulling a "Noun, verb, POW" won't work as well as "Noun, verb, 911" did.

]]> Mahtli69 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114254 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114254 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:08:05 -0800 Comment by Mike in MO 27, PLEASE tell me you know 22 was kidding, and that you were too?

PLEASE!

]]> Mike in MO http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114323 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114323 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:48:16 -0800 Comment by max solomon the correct answer is "none". they all belong to my wife.

he will wear the POW card out. obama doesn't need to call him on it yet. my friends, mccain will be hoist by his own petard.

]]> max solomon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114340 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114340 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:04:42 -0800 Comment by Jennifer in Chicago There are two reasons, just two reasons why I'm not voting for McCain, aside from the gay stuff, the abortion stuff, and the fact I'm vehamantly anti-war.

1. His policies are terrible and out of touch with what the people want. Your average American doesn't give a shit if their neighbor gets an abortion or fucks other dudes. They have more things to worry about. Like how the fuck they'll ever afford to buy a home and get their kids an adequate education and that their parents have affordable health care. Really, I should stop here. The only thing worse than a McCain presidency would be another four years of Bush.

2. Even without the above, I could never, EVER vote for a man who...well, we all know the story about his first wife. And McCain is endorsed by this "Moral Majority?" I would love to sit down some of those assholes and ask, "Excuse me, but WHAT THE FUCK, WHAT THE FUCK, is moral about abandoning your wife because she is no longer a six-foot tall supermodel?"

Those are the questions we should be asking McCain. And we should no longer be accepting "I spent five and a half years in a POW camp" as an adequate answer to EVERY. FUCKING. QUESTION.

]]> Jennifer in Chicago http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114356 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114356 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:09:38 -0800 Comment by 34, 27, 22, hike! 34, please tell me that you read 27's response to 22 where she says "It's a joke."

#4 is the only clever one among all ya'll.

]]> 34, 27, 22, hike! http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114363 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114363 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:13:20 -0800 Comment by elswinger #26 Almost all of McCain's appearances on The Daily Show were between 2000 and 2003 when McCain was still likable to liberals. He used to not seem so full of shit. Leibermann also used to do TDS a lot too before he ran as an Independent after losing the Democratic nomination to Ned Lamont.

]]> elswinger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114381 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114381 2008 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:28:11 -0800 Comment by Johnny Liverwerst UGH. So what he is implying is that every man who is imprisoned deserves millions of dollars and around ten houses?

Yes, get right on that one McCain. Even if you only did this for falsely imprisoned men or PoWs you have a LOT of houses and money to give out.

]]> Johnny Liverwerst http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114629 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/the_prison_card#c1114629 2008 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:30:09 -0800