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Monday, August 4, 2008

State Threatens King Cobra Over Wrestling Show

posted by on August 4 at 11:52 AM

The Washington State Department of Licensing (WSDOL) has threatened the owners of the King Cobra club on Capitol Hill with “administrative action” if they allow the Seattle Semi-Pro wrestling league to continue performing monthly shows at the venue.

In June, the WSDOL told the SSP that it needed to obtain a sporting event license—the WSDOL believes SSP’s staged wrestling events still meet the state’s loose definition of a sporting event—insure all of the wrestlers and spend hundreds of dollars to hire medics for each show.

SSP took issue with the state’s determination—members refer to their event as performance art or “fight cabaret,” rather than wrestling—held a protest show and hired an attorney.

While SSP appears poised to fight the WSDOL, the state is now leaning on King Cobra to shut SSP down. In a letter sent by a WSDOL investigator on July 15th, the state told King Cobra they could be targeted for “aiding or abetting” the SSP by holding the unlicensed events.

The WSDOL letter does not specifically state what kind of action could be taken against King Cobra or the SSP, but I’ve got a call in to the WSDOL to find out.

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Nanny state in action. Waste of taxpayer dollars. Waste of paid state workers time. Another attempt to control adults. Goddamn the fucking government!

Posted by Vince | August 4, 2008 12:12 PM
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I honestly can't think of anyone but very young children who maintain that semi-pro/pro wrestling is a sport. Is the state run by eight year olds?

Posted by bronkitis | August 4, 2008 12:21 PM
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Who gives a shit? Yeah, they're really fighting the Man here. Protest! Protest!



Stupid fucking hipsters. This is what constitutes a fight for freedom in this shitty, self-absorbed city.

Posted by Mother | August 4, 2008 12:47 PM
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i went to the show at king cobra once because we heard it was supposed to be funny. it wasn't funny at all. it was just lame bad wrestling. like 12 year old boys pretending they're hulk hogan in their backyard.

Posted by girlgerms | August 4, 2008 1:00 PM
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i'm confused....
wasnt there a story a week or two ago about king cobra closing down???

Posted by papa | August 4, 2008 1:19 PM
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can we have a grudge match against jonah retard-lee and the anonymous reporter from the anonymous newspaper? i'd pay good money to see jonah in a hammerlock.

Posted by scary tyler moore | August 4, 2008 1:53 PM
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When I was in the midwest a couple of years ago, they had ultimate fighting championships ala open mike. The only rule is that you can't be too drunk. SSP is a stage show. Nanny State Indeed.

Posted by just a thought | August 4, 2008 3:03 PM
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SSP wrestling is indeed "Fight Cabaret". I didn't realize that's what it was until Jonah coined the term. I would always tell my friends It's like wrestling, only not.

What crawled up the WSDOL's ass? Why are they trying to shut down one of the funnest things going in Seattle? I have no problem donating money to SSP's cause.

King Cobra certainly won't survive without SSP, that's for sure. I only go there for SSP events. And I'm definitely going to BE THERE THIS WEDNESDAY.

I hope they wrestle anyway. But I'll understand if they don't.

Posted by The *REAL* Susi | August 4, 2008 4:16 PM
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Looks like the state will stoop to any level just to get money. Their problem is with SSP, not King Cobra. Keep it at that. It's like "Mommy said 'no,' let's go see what Daddy says."

I've drank their Kool-Aid and have followed them for a year now. I know this group will not go quietly. They'll beat this like they have any naysayer.

Hold a protest. Issue a challenge to the HBIC. Whatever it takes! SSP! SSP!

Posted by The Fan | August 4, 2008 4:29 PM
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@3

um, as far as I know this is some people's livelihood that the state is trying shut down.

Posted by wtf, mom? | August 4, 2008 5:02 PM
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@5: We have no idea what we are writing about in case you haven't figured it out yet.

Posted by The Stranger staff | August 4, 2008 5:23 PM
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"Seattle Semipro Wrestling" is indeed a stage show, a cabaret, much beloved by jocks, nerds and trendy Seattle hipsters alike for the past five years. Part of what makes any city great is oddball performance art. A lot of futile energy is being spent by WSDOL because this monthly show has neither the means nor interest to become a sporting event. A lot of energy is being spent by SSP writers and organizers to keep their unique theater alive. First Wednesday they would normally engage in wresting-like theater spectacle. This Wednesday their efforts will be spent raising funds for lawyers and what's needed to keep the dream alive. Come to the King Kobra for a macramed Show of Support by wrestling thesbians and their sparkly friends.

Posted by Evilyn Sin Claire | August 4, 2008 6:29 PM
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They need to be shut down, they suck, the clown is a one trick pony, all he does is pretend to shove his hand up someone's ass, get's old, cause he can't wrestle.
And true what Nathaniel does isn't wrestling, it's more like a retarded monkey flinging pooh.
They had their chance, their time, and now it's over!

Posted by They need to be shut down | August 5, 2008 9:53 PM
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first i have to say that i love SSP. i have been going for 4 years now and i consider it to be some of the very best entertainment in this city. what i can't understand is why they are being lumped into the loose definition of a sporting event when their performance is clearly choreographed and extremely theatrical. i mean, come on; a kung-fu banana, a spin-off of ronald mcdonald, characters that get hypnotized into thinking that they are a bears and eagles?! what sport does that happen in?! i would say SSP comes closer to the rocky horror picture show then say a baseball game. as far as i understand it, for SSP to go through the hoops of getting permits and following the rules of a sporting event would be to take away from the very essence of SSP. not one person in the crowd thinks that they are watching actual fighting, everyone understands that there is a script. and a script to me means theater. i will feel a great deal of disappointment if SSP gets shut down. i think it is a tremendous waste of the city of seattle's financial resources to continue with this claim (especially now that we have become aware of the hiring hold on state jobs because the city's buget is so far in the hole, can the city even afford this?!). i sincerely hope WSDOL drops this suit asap so those that thrive on SSP can get our fixes.
and one more thing: the show last month was in no way a protest. it was a fundraiser for laywers fees so they can fight this. and having this jonah asshole label it as a protest does not help the cause.
i will be at king cobra tonight, and i hope to see the placed packed like it normally is in support of a group of performers that give their all each month for our entertainment.

SSP! SSP! SSP! SSP! SSP! SSP!

Posted by noeyebrowz | August 6, 2008 5:22 AM
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oh, and one more thing to "they need to be shut down": if you don't like SSP, then don't fucking go. i don't like football but i am not trying to get it shut down. that is stupid. just like your being.

Posted by noeyebrowz | August 6, 2008 5:42 AM
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That good enough for you?

Seriously...get a life. Hey everyone...ever quit a job and then complain about it forever? Then...you would like this guy.

Posted by They Need To Be Shut Down Is Paul | August 6, 2008 7:19 AM
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Ever work hard at something only to have it taken away from you?
Because there's an untallented a**-kiss waiting in the wings to stab you in the back.
Josh, back in May I was fine, everything behind me, then your lies got back to me.
So, guess you shouldn't have lied about how you shoved me out the door, and tried to screw me, but since I'm smarter than you, I saw it coming.
SSP is clearly a "wrestling" show, hence the word "wrestling" used to be part of the name.
The WSDOL used nothing but the truth to go after SSP, yes folks, pro-wrestling is regulated, just like boxing, and yes, SSP is unsafe!
And that's why it needs to be shut down.
It's not that everyone in SSP tried to screw me, just those in charge of it.
You want to say I'm the bad guy, well then let me do bad guy things.
Bad guys don't worry about the good people in SSP, those people who worked with me to make me a star, a star that people in charge of SSP would be jealous of, and go out of their way to bury.
So you want to know who is responsible, have those in charge of SSP look in a mirror, it's their fault.

Posted by Guess you shouldn't have kept p*ssing me off. | August 6, 2008 8:45 AM
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And just to clear up another lie told about me.
I complained way back in June, and that's all it took for the State to act, so I don't know where you get this "complain about it forever" crap.
To make sure this is read many times, I should use the word "revenge", "revenge", and "revenge". Can you tell I noticed every time I used the word "revenge" in a blog you all read it, over and over again.

Posted by I've got a one more thing too | August 6, 2008 10:39 AM
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Flabbergasted. It's an awesome word, and it describes how I feel about these shenanigans. Also an awesome word, shenanigans.

Ok, first of all, the state is being ridiculous. A rule that was designed for events that sell 10,000 tickets for $70 simply cannot be applied unilaterally to events that sell 100 tickets for $7. Someone needs to inject some common sense here; too bad the lawyer route is the only way to do that round here.

Second, seriously revenge? I stopped playing the "I'm taking my ball and going home" game when I was seven. You did work hard, and every SSP fan knows that you were one of the best wrestlers in the troupe. We dive perilously close to a "he said she said" situation by doing it, but for the sake of argument let's allow that the SSP leaders were assholes and you got backstabbed. So your response is to retaliate, lashing out against not only the assholes, but every other wrestler in the troupe, AND all the fans, AND now the King Cobra bar as well? Is this really what you wanted? I used to have a lot of respect for you sir. No longer.

May I suggest a better plan? Start or join a different troupe, whose goals and vision match your own more closely. It was always clear to me that you were more interested in the athleticism of wrestling -- so put on an event to showcase that side. Personally I'm more interested in the showmanship and absurdity of SSP. Please don't take that away with a childish tantrum. Even if you did get the shaft.

Posted by Tim! | August 6, 2008 2:17 PM
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SSP is like my family. I love them all dearly, but sometimes I can't be with them. That said, I always wind up coming back somehow... I don't know why. It's in my blood. I've been a part of SSP for three years now. It's who I am. The crowd loves us. Some of them even love me. (Yeah, I know. I don't get it either.)

I really just love performing in front of people. The fans eat this show up, and its a shame that they're the ones that are getting screwed here, worse than us. To be honest, for SSP this is a bit of a vacation. An unwanted one, mind you. Like when the work-a-holic father is given orders to take leave, because he hasn't had a vacation in 5 YEARS. Most of SSP could use a break. Sharpen our skills, heal up for a few months. etc, etc. The work that we do is intense, I will be honest. But above all, I know that myself, and ALL of my opponents were always safe. I saw to it personally. I wouldn't EVER wrestle a match if I thought there was a chance I could die. Neither would anyone. It's a non issue, because we don't let people like that in our league. All of our initiates have a year long trial (read: hazing) process that they undertake before they ever get on the stage. Though I haven't wrestled the entire roster in SSP (One day, clown. you and me.) I can say for a fact that everyone I have ever wrestled has been comfortable in knowing that I am here to have a match both realistic and safe. It can be done. Yes, the work is intense. Yes, the pain is real. You can't fake gravity. But you CAN be smart about it. And I'm no fool. It's a pity that the state of Washington can't see that. If they would like to attend one of our practices, I'm sure any one of us would be more than happy to show the good people at WSDOL that we are in fact, legit.

The bottom line here is that if it's not us, it's going to be somebody else. And those people are watching this right now, and learning from our mistakes. All this legislation ever does is move shit further underground. Remember the teen dance ordinance? Oh yeah, GREAT job guys. THAT put the kibosh on raves. O_O

There needs to be an agreement here. There must be an equilibrium, and we're not the ones who aren't willing to negotiate. It's the State that won't budge. All of SSP is willing to talk about this. There must be an accord. Without it, I'm afraid people actually will get hurt, and the state will be powerless to stop it.

Oh, and Paul? If you're reading this...Seriously...why? Was it worth it? Do you feel better? I never held you in contempt for leaving SSP. Like a man who has been quitting smoking for five months, I too have "quit" ssp several times. I understand completely your reasons for leaving. But you couldn't let it go, could you? You just had to bring about bad juju. You know, for a guy who dressed up as a giant plantain, you take yourself WAY to seriously. I also used to respect you. But no longer.

There was a time once when I was proud to say that you were "The Banana". But now, you're just a bunch of sour grapes, my friend.

Posted by $64 american | August 6, 2008 2:56 PM
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Pro Wrestling - are you serious? SSP isn't pro-wrestling. SSP is a bunch of wannabees dressing in costumes and pretending to hit each other. I have been a long time wrestling fan, and I've come to SSP shows. SSP is a joke. Seriously, has the state even seen one of these shows? Drag queens, Bananas, clowns. These aren't professional athletes. They're just actors pretending to be.

They don't even have a ring. Yeah, I looked into becoming a pro-wrestler. What wrestling fan hasn't? I remember something about the definition of pro-wrestling needing a ring.

SSP is a bunch of bad actors with choreographed stage combat. When I found out that they were hobbyists, it made sense. They do a good job for being hobbyists. But to say they are pro-wrestling is an injustice to great wrestlers like Samoa Joe and CM Punk.

Who's next? Is the state going to go after the Seattle Knights? Pure Cirkus? Circus Contraption? burlesque? aerials? Is the state going to come after me if I put my brother in a headlock and give him a noogie in a bar?

And Mr. Banana. I don't know your real name but you were one of the few "wrestlers" who I respected when I saw the show. SSP was obviously not for you. But why didn't you go to Pinnacle instead? Or TCW? I thought you knew the business. From what I'm reading I don't think any real wrestling organization would trust you.

Posted by pro wrestling fan | August 6, 2008 3:27 PM
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$64, I knew I'd hurt others who didn't deserve it, but the respect you showed was not given after I left, I couldn't let it go? Especially when those in charge didn't let it go.
Who was it who said I was "outshined" by the second banana? and I'm not going to take that personally?
Those in charge decided to keep on with lies after I left to make themselves feel better.
And Pro Wrestling Fan, Pinnacle from what I heard shut down, and I don't know anyone in TCW to get a spot.
How can anyone trust me, I decided to leave SSP in February, and yet I stayed and finished the crappy storyline I had agreed to do, no matter how crappy it was, I stuck with it.
The end of SSP is not the end of Wrestling, in fact it should be a new begining for someone else.

As for knowing the business, someone gets stiff with you, you get stiff back!
I stayed even when it wasn't in my best interests, for my commitment to the show that I started in.
If someone is straight with me, I'm straight with them, simple as that, all Josh could think of was how to screw me into leaving, I left and he kept on lying about why I left, because he didn't get to finish screwing me over.

One of the jobs of a leader is to think as to weather it's worth it to try screwing someone over, when that person might just screw back.

Posted by the Banana | August 6, 2008 3:53 PM
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Banana, You don't have to know someone to get a spot in a wrestling show.All you have to do is go to a show early and talk to the guys, ask for the booker, or E-mail the company.They are always looking for more bodies.

But they would probably ask who you've worked for.If and when they contact the only company you have worked for and hear that when you had issues with the booking you reported them to the state they will not want you.No company I ever worked for would anyway.Who would want someone in their company that would throw the whole roster under the bus.

As a performer you do what the writers tell you to.If you don't like it leave and that's that.If your in a movie and you don't like the script, tough.It is your job to do what they say.

You have no idea about wrestling or how the business works.

Anyway, I have only seen SSP once and I thought they were funny.A good show for what it is, an obvious parody show of wrestling, but my no means a "real" wrestling show.Some of the guys are good performers, some could probably make it in real wrestling, some are obviously just having fun with it and don't want to be wrestlers.But they all obviously work hard.

I'll go to see them again now and help them anyway I can in this fight.Wrestlers need to stick together and respect the business.Even though I wouldn't consider them "wrestlers" technically.But what they are doing is good for the performance community in general.

Posted by Wrestler | August 6, 2008 5:22 PM
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I guess I'll have to spell this out again, I left SSP in April, I was over it, all the screwing me over, I was over it.
Then June comes along and I get word that lies are being told about me and why I left, and that was why I turned their asses in.
But hey, trying to explain how I was forced to walk away from my dream, I managed to get over that, but being lied about because someone couldn't continue to screw me over, that was the final straw.

I did some good work, work that was not appreciated by management in any way, and if you can't understand then so be it.

I'm not saying I'm some great guy for turning them in, I was pissed when I left, but I got over it, then the lies got back to me, and that was it.

Someone doesn't want to book me, fine, my wrestling career is over, I left it all out there, it's why over and over again, if you read those who saw me wrestle, I kicked ass, because I worked at it.

So "wrestler", if you want to help them, good luck with that, but remember I tried helping them once, and all they could think of was the screw me over.

Posted by the Banana | August 6, 2008 5:44 PM
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I'm not sure what all the hub bub is about. I won tickets for this SSP thing at bingo the other night, and, I am going to go to check it out. From what I hear it's a fun show to go to.

I just think people should make up their own minds. If I don't like it, I'll leave. But, from what my friends who have gone told me, I probably won't be disappointed.

Hopefully I will see some of you there!

Posted by MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION | August 6, 2008 5:55 PM
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Banana, I've been in situations like that before. Where people I respected once were lying about me. People who didn't know the whole story believed them. It hurt. I wanted to get back at them.

But I didn't take it out on the people who didn't know any better. Regardless of whether they were lying about you or not, it doesn't matter. Quite honestly, with this sort of reaction, I'm inclined to believe those who are "lying" about you.

What you have done is not cool at all. And I'll agree, I liked you. Not just as the Banana, but as the person behind the costume. Now, I'm not so sure I ever want to see you again.

I'm sure that you still had people on the roster that you liked, so why do this to them? Why burn all those bridges at once? With not just them, but the fans?

I'm glad that you've admitted what you've done, but really. I will never respect you again because of it. You have acted wrongly, sir, and have lost every leg you had to stand on when it came to fighting the "lies."

As to the rest of SSP; keep fighting, and I'll keep fighting along side you. Good luck tonight. I won't be able to make it, but I'll be rooting you on from across the water.

SSP! SSP! SSP!

Posted by Generico's #1 Fan | August 6, 2008 6:18 PM
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Generico Fan, I hear ya, but if I was worried about being "cool", I wouldn't have wrestled in a Banana costume.

I guess it's hard to explain hate, a hate that doesn't care who I have to go through, who it hurts, all you can see is the target.

SSP management, I hate you, I hope I've made that clear, you sure did.

Love me or hate me, that is the question, if you love me, fank you, if you don't, well you know the rest.

Posted by the Banana | August 6, 2008 9:41 PM
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Banana, I don't know about you... but I graduated from high school long ago and left the drama behind me. I moved on. Why? Because I know that I'm better than that. If you were better than the drama surrounding you and SSP, you (should) have done the same.

It makes me sad to see you would go this far to get your rocks off. Seriously. Karma's a bitch my (former) friend.

Posted by The Fan | August 7, 2008 7:09 AM
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Banana you're a joke. You weren't all that. As a fan in the crowd I can tell you honestly I didn't cheer you because I thought you were the second coming of Mr. Perfect. It was more because you were a schmuck in a banana costume. Hell I'd pop for my neighbor's dog if he came to the "ring" dressed as a banana. Get over yourself. Oh and if you actually had all the skillz you think you have, you wouldn't need to know somebody to join another wrestling organization.

Posted by Banana wasn't all that | August 7, 2008 11:42 AM
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First I will answer a question from the Wrestler, why would any organization hire me, because I will go out and put on a wrestling show, the best I can, so that people would go home having seen a wrestling match, that's what I did in SSP.
And I work for free, SSP saw that as a way to use me as a rube or an easy mark, I was there for wrestling, I wasn't there to pimp a band, DJ act, or announcing, I was there to wrestle.

Former Friend, who the blue hell were you again? A wrestling locker room is the most trecherous room on the planet, I didn't think I had any friends.
My Karma is just fine, funny how someone who would talk of Karma wouldn't know that SSP's problems are it's Karma coming home.

Dear "wasn't all that", how would you know? And I never said I was the best, just better than most, mainly because I worked at it. I worked hard, and got screwed, so I returned the favor.
I never refused to bump when giving someone a suplex, I worked hard, sorry you can't seem to read that.


As to everyone who seems to want to discount me by saying what I did was "childish" or "high school", sad that's the best you can come up with to defend your positions.

And I also strongly reject the thought that I was the second coming of Mr. Perfect, the one that is, his name is Mr. Fitness, for example, PerfectPlex = FitnessPlex, really, where do you think Perfect got the move?

Honestly I can retire happy, true my last match I was mostly written out of, but the one before that, that was one of my best.
So I don't really need to wrestle again.
I was screwed, and shoved out the door, and I left, then lies were told after I left, and I'm the one that can't let it go?
Just returning the favor folks, sad you can't see that.

Posted by the Banana | August 7, 2008 12:29 PM
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you aren't really a banana.

you're just a bitter guy with even less friends than before.

Posted by it's not all real | August 7, 2008 1:23 PM
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(cue maniacle laughter)
You all got played, you only have to look at the begining of this thread to see that you all were blaming the state, and I really didn't like you people were even blaming Jonah, a guy who is only reporting information given to him, by SSP and the state. He's the guy giving you a forum to vent, and you blame him.

SSP was a wrestling show, when I was on the stage, it was always billed to me to be a wrestling show, I never drank the cool-aid and believed SSP would ever get a ring, as they have promised over and over again.

It's been fun as hell to finally play a heel, even as the WMD, you all cheered me.
So I can say I've done it all.

It is true my leaving SSP wasn't a joy, management and myself do really hate each other, it's why I can laugh at their misery, I never felt I had friends there, just people I worked with, and outside of wrestling, we have nothing in common, so we wouldn't what I would call friends, were we friends after I left, no.

True some people associated with SSP were blaming me for the state involvement, so why not work it, for my amusement.

Was it all a work, or not?

You'll never know if it was me, the state, or someone else out there.

For a bitter guy I got to say, I'm loving life, besides, I'm the one with the smile on my face.

There are Kings and Champions,
But there is only one Golden God,
Love me, Hate me, you will chant my name

BA NA NA
(thank you and good night)

Posted by the Banana | August 7, 2008 4:15 PM
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Paranoid schizophrenia with delusions of grandeur and a twist of multiple personality disorder.

Seek help Banana, you are not healthy.

Posted by Psychology Major | August 7, 2008 6:20 PM
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For what it's worth...did you all have fun last night? I did. He he....SSP has balls.

Posted by Did you all have fun? | August 7, 2008 6:22 PM
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Are you happy that all of the attention is on you again, Paul?

I remember-- I was there when you were given the banana suit. You were embarrassed. You didn't want to do it. You whined about it being stupid. We all knew it was going to be great. The moment you got cheered for being someone in a banana suit, you ate it up. It wasn't you. It could have been anybody in a banana suit.

And you couldn't take criticism. When you were given points as to how to improve your portion of the show, you would chuckle, claim to be a "bad guy," and frustrate everybody. I'm sorry, but that's how you take part in a group effort. You communicate with everybody and take advice from anybody who'll give it.

And it's quite offensive that you talk about "the locker room" as this tense, competitive atmosphere where nobody's a friend. I would have called you a friend. When you left, and we were all confused, those of us at the next practice felt a loss. This is what it has become?

In your last match, from what I remember, you got the hot tag. You WERE respected for what you were doing with the group.

Posted by Student | August 7, 2008 8:24 PM
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Well let me clear up some lies, while I wasn't thrilled with the Banana Gimmick, I announced very clearly that I was going to be the best Banana I could be. I took it and tried to be "team player", even though I knew a joke was being played on me.
In my last match I was written out as much as possible, and for the finish someone that could actually perform wrestling moves was needed, hot tag, how about a match not written to suck? how about some respect when I ask for some time to wrestle during a match, I get it, it instead was "written out" by Josh.

All these so called "suggestions" didn't seem like "suggestions" to me, I responded to EVERY suggestion, and every time I was ignored, I explained what I was going for with what I was doing, I was ignored, and lets face it, most of those "suggestions" were slanted to make me suck.
How many times did I type that out?

No I wasn't respected, or my disagreements with all the "suggestions" wouldn't have been ignored, every single time.

With "suggestions" like, hand out bananas to the audience, oh yeah, in a show where people throw things, I'm supposed to hand them produce, I'm sure everyone who would have had to perform after me would have loved rolling in banana goop.
So "suggestions" that came from the bottom of a bottle or the bottom of a bong, were of little use.

If I was so respected, then why did nobody ever ask me if I wanted to give up being the Banana, Luke knew for how many months, and he never said a word. To a certain extent I felt insulted that nobody thought I could work the Banana as a heel.

But really "student", it sounds like someone told you some lies, which I don't doubt, and you were a sucker for believing them.

And Major, when someone is pissed, they vent, sometimes at the expense of those that have done them wrong.

Ok back to my book, yes the names have been changed to fully describe those in the book.

Hate ya later.

Posted by the Banana | August 7, 2008 10:06 PM
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Well let me clear up some lies, while I wasn't thrilled with the Banana Gimmick, I announced very clearly that I was going to be the best Banana I could be. I took it and tried to be "team player", even though I knew a joke was being played on me.
In my last match I was written out as much as possible, and for the finish someone that could actually perform wrestling moves was needed, hot tag, how about a match not written to suck? how about some respect when I ask for some time to wrestle during a match, I get it, it instead was "written out" by Josh.

All these so called "suggestions" didn't seem like "suggestions" to me, I responded to EVERY suggestion, and every time I was ignored, I explained what I was going for with what I was doing, I was ignored, and lets face it, most of those "suggestions" were slanted to make me suck.
How many times did I type that out?

No I wasn't respected, or my disagreements with all the "suggestions" wouldn't have been ignored, every single time.

With "suggestions" like, hand out bananas to the audience, oh yeah, in a show where people throw things, I'm supposed to hand them produce, I'm sure everyone who would have had to perform after me would have loved rolling in banana goop.
So "suggestions" that came from the bottom of a bottle or the bottom of a bong, were of little use.

If I was so respected, then why did nobody ever ask me if I wanted to give up being the Banana, Luke knew for how many months, and he never said a word. To a certain extent I felt insulted that nobody thought I could work the Banana as a heel.

But really "student", it sounds like someone told you some lies, which I don't doubt, and you were a sucker for believing them.

And Major, when someone is pissed, they vent, sometimes at the expense of those that have done them wrong.

Ok back to my book, yes the names have been changed to fully describe those in the book.

Hate ya later.

Posted by the Banana | August 7, 2008 10:08 PM
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Well let me clear up some lies, while I wasn't thrilled with the Banana Gimmick, I announced very clearly that I was going to be the best Banana I could be. I took it and tried to be "team player", even though I knew a joke was being played on me.
In my last match I was written out as much as possible, and for the finish someone that could actually perform wrestling moves was needed, hot tag, how about a match not written to suck? how about some respect when I ask for some time to wrestle during a match, I get it, it instead was "written out" by Josh.

All these so called "suggestions" didn't seem like "suggestions" to me, I responded to EVERY suggestion, and every time I was ignored, I explained what I was going for with what I was doing, I was ignored, and lets face it, most of those "suggestions" were slanted to make me suck.
How many times did I type that out?

No I wasn't respected, or my disagreements with all the "suggestions" wouldn't have been ignored, every single time.

With "suggestions" like, hand out bananas to the audience, oh yeah, in a show where people throw things, I'm supposed to hand them produce, I'm sure everyone who would have had to perform after me would have loved rolling in banana goop.
So "suggestions" that came from the bottom of a bottle or the bottom of a bong, were of little use.

If I was so respected, then why did nobody ever ask me if I wanted to give up being the Banana, Luke knew for how many months, and he never said a word. To a certain extent I felt insulted that nobody thought I could work the Banana as a heel.

But really "student", it sounds like someone told you some lies, which I don't doubt, and you were a sucker for believing them.

And Major, when someone is pissed, they vent, sometimes at the expense of those that have done them wrong.

Ok back to my book, yes the names have been changed to fully describe those in the book.

Hate ya later.

Posted by the Banana | August 7, 2008 10:11 PM
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I can understand your frustration, Paul and yes, you're probably eating up the fact SSP is in trouble now after 5 solid years. Yes, you had beef with management and is (from what I gather from your postings) one of the main reasons you did what you did. But what about those in SSP that gave you no trouble? That liked (yes, actually LIKED) having you around and seeing you at practice each week? Your actions have affected them. The SSP fans who would chant "Banana" everytime you came out and cheered when you did the Banana Stomp, fans who loved and supported SSP, your actions have affected them. Your hate may have been directed at a main part, but it effected the area as a whole like an atom bomb. Truthfully, I was shocked at the news of your departure and even more shocked from your confessions here.

Nothing I can say will change your mind or your opinion. I'm sorry you feel the way you do and I hope you don't think this post is me blowing smoke up your ass and telling you it's sunshine. We didn't get along all the time, but I still respected you. Maybe not to the degree you hoped for, wanted, expected, etc. I don't know.

*shrug*

I have nothing really left to say. You go your way, we'll go ours.

Posted by The Fan | August 8, 2008 9:06 AM
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I am a *huge* wrestling fan. I go to every wrestling show in my area, including SSP, TCW, and even Pinnacle before it shut down. My girlfriend and I even have a huge shelf of almost every wrestling figure you could imagine.

That being said, I don't think SSP should qualify as pro-wrestling. They don't use a ring, so their movements (Although, very entertaining.) aren't the same as what real pro-wrestlers do. They don't bounce against ring-ropes, they don't dive off of ring-posts, they don't grab the ropes to stop a pin-count, I could go on and on.

If you discount all the wackiness, SSP seems to have more of a greco-roman type of product. Which any pro-wrestler would tell you is not the same. It *maybe* would classify as an amateur sport. Except, it's not competitive. Amateur sports don't implement air-guitars as a legit wrestling hold.

I like SSP for delivering things that us pro-wrestling fans crave, and are starving for: Smart storylines without any plot-holes. Exotic likable characters. Honesty in their advertising. (To my knowledge, they've always delivered matches as advertised. No bait-and-switch "swerves" that is so common of TV wrestling.) Basic things that have been denied from us fans for so long, that the underground wrestling scene is thriving all around the country.

Banana, I used to like your character until you started wearing Straight-edge X's on-stage. WTF?!? We're in a bar, douche-bag. That's when it clicked to me that you were just a very mediocre (at-best) talent.

I don't know what happened "backstage" other than what you've posted. I can tell you what I saw with my own eyes. You were being presented practically as SSP's equivalent to the Undertaker. You went on an insane winning streak, (By SSP standards.) and never lost a match that I saw. How did "management" screw you over? Aren't they an all volunteer organization?

So you're mad that they wouldn't let you turn into a "heel"? (wrestling nerd talk for bad-guy.)You didn't get the script that you wanted, so you you're mad at "management"? You are a mark! What wrestler *ever* gets the exact script that they want? It comes with years of paying dues. I barely saw you wrestle for a year!

Let me break it down for you from a wrestling fan's perspective. Your stage-psychology sucked. All you did at your entrances was hit that stupid Randy Orton pose. (Because you're a mark.) Your move-set sucked. All you did was hit people in the crotch. You had zero charisma, and poor mic skills. Even technical wizards never get a good storyline push if they're missing that element.

So let's see... you lucked out and were given an awesome gimmick, one that apparently you told "management" that you didn't like, and then you got pissed when they tried to give you a different gimmick? Then you were given an insanely awesome win-streak with your amazing gimmick, and pushed to the moon.

And you know what?

All it resulted was very minimal impact on the audience, and nobody cared. Your "skills" held you back. That's abundantly obvious to anyone who knows and follows wrestling. It's also plain to see that you are clearly bitter, and insanely jealous of other people's success.

SSP invented a completely new art-form, one that I wish the wrestling powers that be would learn from,(I'm talking about you WWE, and TNA.) and use to make their stale-ass product something fun to watch again. I agree that it's closer to the Rocky Horror show. (But Fight Cabaret just sounds gay. Sorry.) I'm willing to support SSP, because although they're not pro-wrestling, the wrestling industry should take notes from them.

Posted by I miss Ric Flair..... | August 8, 2008 1:53 PM
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Ok back to my book, yes the names have been changed to fully describe those in the book.

wow you are really writing a book? judging by your expert prose on this thread, i am guessing it will be a real page turner. and it will definitely be shelved in fiction.

have fun in fantasy land!

Posted by literary critic | August 8, 2008 3:05 PM
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Paul,

it is really sad that you turned in your friends and additionally you are airing your dirty laundry in public for everyone to see.

For fucks sake, meet face to face and settle this like men rather than this high school dribble on the internet.

Posted by bobcat | August 9, 2008 1:45 PM
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First of.. Mr Banana, the fact that your PLOT LINE didn't live up to your expectations of where you were going indicates clearly that it is a THEATRICAL production.

Even so, let the state reign down on the SSP, they will beat it, and even if they don't beat it, they will come up with the money to pay the regulatory fee's.


Second off, THE 2ND BANANA RULES!!!
so the ssp is better off with out you anyways.


Seriously, if you weren't happy with the situation, why not walk away and be done with it. They have a word for people like you, its called a SNITCH!
Do you literally have so much hatred inside you that you felt it necessary to seek your "revenge?" Do you have no self respect?


I think somebody didn't get enough love as a child, I feel sorry for you parents if they are baring witness to your disgracefull activity.


Man up, seriously.


Thank you SSP, not only for providing quality entertainment, but for standing up to the state, and to the snake in the grass cry baby.


I fully support your endeavors.

Posted by Charge me $50 for an ssp ticket, ill pay it gladly | August 9, 2008 3:45 PM
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First of.. Mr Banana, the fact that your PLOT LINE didn't live up to your expectations of where you were going indicates clearly that it is a THEATRICAL production.

Even so, let the state reign down on the SSP, they will beat it, and even if they don't beat it, they will come up with the money to pay the regulatory fee's.


Second off, THE 2ND BANANA RULES!!!
so the ssp is better off with out you anyways.


Seriously, if you weren't happy with the situation, why not walk away and be done with it. They have a word for people like you, its called a SNITCH!
Do you literally have so much hatred inside you that you felt it necessary to seek your "revenge?" Do you have no self respect?


I think somebody didn't get enough love as a child, I feel sorry for you parents if they are baring witness to your disgracefull activity.


Man up, seriously.


Thank you SSP, not only for providing quality entertainment, but for standing up to the state, and to the snake in the grass cry baby.


I fully support your endeavors.

Posted by Charge me $50 for an ssp ticket, ill pay it gladly | August 9, 2008 3:45 PM
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Paul,

Imagine you weren't stupid and lonely enough to take the time to start all this crap.

Imagine you left the SSP as your banana suit rotted as a good loser.
Do you really, honestly think the SSP fans would miss you for second?
Think about it, I'll give you a minute..................................

The answer is NO.

You weren't much of an asset to the troupe. The charm of seeing two bananas at once was fun for the story line for a while, but really do you really think you were that awesome?
Do you really?

Your arrogance is deplorable.

You are a great disappointment to the performing artist community. That includes me.

Hide yourself away in the gym with your protein shakes. Nobody gives a flying steaming shit what you think or what you have to say.

Look down.
Do you still see two feet???
I'd be surprised since you shot one off.

Your not even a REAL person.



Posted by Michele Frances | August 9, 2008 3:56 PM
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I'll probably have to repeat this a few more times since several refuse to read it.

I did walk away, had left it all behind me, and Josh had to run his mouth and lie about why I left.

Those lies got back to me.

I know, I put up with a year and a half of crap, and a drunk runs his mouth after I leave and that's what pushed me too far.

You want to cheer the second banana, go ahead, then look him in the eye and ask him if he can wrestle, anywhere as good as I can.

Michele, my feet are just fine, gave myself a pedicure this morning, both feet feel great.
I'm also working out all the time, I usually drink the protein shakes on double workout days.
Michele you and I weren't really that close, you are a great, intelligent young lady, good luck in life, not that you need it, you will do fine.

Post # 39 "the Fan" typed "You go your way, we'll go ours".

I concider that an act of contrition, not that it means much now, I can't call the dogs off. The State will do what it does, hating on me won't do much.

For a guy who can't write, I sure inspired something in people to write paragraphs.

Oh an I'll be fine to.[smoochies]

Posted by the Banana | August 9, 2008 6:28 PM
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What did Josh say about you that wasn't true?

Posted by Just Wondering | August 9, 2008 6:56 PM
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"Michele you and I weren't really that close..."

Considering that we have never met, that would be an understatement.

Jeepers Paul, sounds like you wish you could in fact "call the dogs off". Interesting that you complain to the state that the SSP is wrestling, but then in this forum say that what they do isn't really real wrestling.

You want people to stop hating you?
Start by saying sorry, and telling the office you complained to that you were WRONG. Explain to them that what the
SSP does is not wrestling so much as performance art. Considering that you are pretty much a self proclaimed wrestling guru, I'm sure you could school the WSDOL on the difference between pro-wrestling and the contact improv style of entertainment that the SSP provides.

Oh, let me guess.
You dont care if people hate you right tough guy???

Bullshit Paul.
Bullshit on that.

Youre pretty transparent.

Now stop wasting my tax dollars and end all of this nonsense please.


Posted by Michele Frances | August 9, 2008 7:32 PM
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The SSP is one of Seattle's greatest experiences! Doesnt matter if you are a die hard fan or a first timer, come to the next show to see what I mean!

SSP! SSP! SSP! SSP!

Long live SSP and King Cobra!

Posted by Olive Butter Parfait | August 9, 2008 7:52 PM
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Here's the thing, guys... SSP is a "clique". An incestuous group of friends that love the attention and control. That's perfectly OK as long as you don't hurt other people, but the unstructured format of SSP means that eventually people's toes are going to get stepped on, and they're going to get butt-hurt when they're not included in the fun any more. The inevitable natural response, of course, is revenge.
With great power comes great responsibility. If you treat people badly, you have to expect to deal with the consequences.
The unfortunate thing for SSP in this case is that the revenge actually happens to be legitimate, in that despite how much you might tout your prowess, you AREN'T pro wrestlers, not even close. And the suckier you are, (and I know none of you have any illusions about being truly good wrestlers) the more potential for injury or worse.
What would happen if just ONE move went wrong and someone broke their neck? How could you ever forgive yourselves?
It seems like if you wanted to be responsible, you'd understand WHERE all this is coming from and why. They're doing it to protect you, not limit your creative freedom. Nobody signs any waivers or anything, and if something WERE to go seriously wrong, not only could you have someone seriously injured but then injurer would have to deal with A: the guilt and B: the legal ramifications if any.
In any case, you may say you've left the drama in high school, but after being on the inside I can say you guys are one of the most drama-filled groups I've ever worked with, and now it's time to pay the piper.

Posted by former SSPer | August 9, 2008 9:22 PM
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As I posted earlier, I thought about what I was doing for quite a while, because I knew there was no going back. No take backs, no do overs.
You missunderstood what I said "fight caberet" means not wrestling, just to cover up the incompetance of people who never tried to improve their art, and pro-wrestling is an art, people in charge of SSP should try learning it.
The show however, even though it doesn't have a ring, was a wrestling show, especially when I was on stage.
SSP was presented to me as a "wrestling show", that was about to make the next step, getting a ring.
There would be no ring, no matter what.
That fraud would be another reason for me to decide to leave.

Kind of sad you need to get supporters from the canine world, I'm sure little Olive Butter will love anyone you tell her too, but I am doubtful Olive can type her name.

Try to remember, I was in the military, the concept of acheiving an objective, no matter what, no matter what has to be taken down with it.

The "Go" "No-Go" situation was several months ago, I don't have to do anything else, I already pushed the button.

"Just Wondering", I have explained, this is post #50 read the previous posts, but anyway unless Josh can sober up long enough for the tremors to stop, he won't ever be able to comprehend that he lied, not that he would want to.

Posted by the Banana | August 9, 2008 9:23 PM
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First "former SSPer" isn't me, and Second I remember signing a waiver, we all did, I think I might know who you are, but unless you want your name revealed, I'll respect that.

There was the really funny waiver at Studio 7, it had a specific part mentioning "not responsible for Death".

"Former SSPer" does make some good points though.

Posted by the Banana | August 9, 2008 9:32 PM
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Paul:
Actually, I'd be really surprised if you knew who I was, as I was before your time and never actually met you or saw you wrestle. But I'm sure the other SSPers can probably figure it out. ;)
I can say you have balls for what you did, and I can't say it was wholly undeserved.

Posted by Former SSPer | August 9, 2008 9:40 PM
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I think the point of the article is that the State is going after the club the host SSP events, which is a nasty tactic.

How can anyone define the line between art and sport for the sake of tax?

who lobbies the state to enforce this license?

This is an issue of freedom, like SSP or not, this is the testing ground to establish where our laws and freedoms really stand...

everyone should back up SSP in this case...

Posted by painlesspeter | August 9, 2008 10:06 PM
55

Sorry I can't find it in all of your rambling. What specifically did Josh say about you that was a lie?

Posted by Still Wondering | August 9, 2008 11:43 PM
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Paul, you walked out of a show without saying a word.Then NEVER told me why you quit.If I said why I thought you quit, I was just guessing not lying.I assumed you were upset because we were going to take the banana gimmick from you.But you never told me that upset you before you left.You never talked to me at all about being upset or considering leaving.I was planning on letting you create your own character after that since I thought you didn't like the Banana character from what you had said before.
You just packed your bags, left and put a post on myspace stating that you had quit SSP.Then began this campaign to take us down.

I'm sorry if there was not enough communication.You could have just told me you were upset and we could have worked something out.

As far as SSP being presented to you as "real" wrestling company.You apparently never got the joke.Here is the description of SSP from our myspace that has been there for years.

Seattle Semi-Pro (SSP) is an EXOTIC FIGHT CABARET THEATER TROUPE, utilizing surreal storylines, adult-cartoon characters, played by the best collection of local bad-asses, and rough-house thespians. SSP delivers the most unique live viewing experience with high intensity audience interactive events UNDER A PRO-WRESTLING THEME.

I don't know how we could be clearer?
To former SSPer.If this who I assume you are wrong about some things.The days of the unorganized, no practice space SSP of five years ago have changed drastically to make for a safer show.Also, we do have waiver's now.

Posted by Josh Black | August 10, 2008 1:36 AM
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Also Paul about my "tremors" from drinking.
I have been diagnosed with and suffer from a condition called essential tremors.It's hereditary condition.My hands shake.Especially after workouts and when I don't eat well.Thanks for having me explain that in a public forum.

Posted by Josh Black | August 10, 2008 1:44 AM
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First up Josh you lied when you said Luke "outshined me", you see this is why WWE wishes people well in their future endevors.

You also lied when you said I "refused to do the job"(that means intentionally loose).
Since I had never agreed to the match, the finish of that match was irrelevant, not to mention insulting.

And again you lied when you said I refused to finish the storyline. Since I had decided to leave on April 19, which was the end of the WMD/Banana storyline I had agreed to, which means I finished the storyline.

Then on May 30th someone got a touch of insomnia and asked why I left, since you said things that were very disrespectful, this person wanted to know what the truth was.
So after explaining that, again, I was pissed, pissed off enough to turn your ass in.

Josh it's obvious you had two reasons to lie, one to protect your ego, and the other to put the blame upon me.

Tremors huh, yeah, walks like a drunk, acts like a drunk, must be a duck huh. Since when do you ever workout, ha!

You want sympathy, I have none.

Crush your enemies,
See them driven before you....

Posted by the Banana | August 10, 2008 9:13 AM
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Time for a reality check Paul.

Your "dream" of being a professional wrestler never came true. You've still never wrestled a real match. You were too stupid to realize SSP isn't professional wrestling. You've said it yourself many times in these comments. There's not even a ring! How can you say you've worked a real wrestling match without a ring?

Why are you bringing up WWE and locker room treachery? The pool table at the Re-Bar isn't a "locker room" you idiot. Quit deluding yourself, Paul.

Did you think you were REALLY PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING when you taped a potato chip bag full of spaghetti and hot links to your belly before a match? Just like The Rock did huh?

Face it. No one ever chanted YOUR name. Your name isn't Banana is it? The finish to a match was insulting? To who, Paul? You're really worried about the integrity of a character in a banana suit?!?!

As others have already said, they would have chanted banana at any chump that put on that outfit. YOU never got over, Paul. The gimmick that you were given by people who know what they're doing better than you got over. The gimmick's still getting over WITHOUT YOU. You didn't make the banana a success. The banana made your boring ass a success.

You are just a stupid mark.

And Luke outshined you big time. At least he wears the banana suit properly.

What a loser.

You think you have destroyed SSP? You've only created MORE publicity and given the performers a chance to refocus. If anything Paul, you are making SSP bigger and stronger.

And you'll never get to be a part of it again.

Posted by Face the truth | August 10, 2008 12:10 PM
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You did get out shined at 4/20.2nd Banana was hilarious, the way we had envisioned the character to begin with.The crowd loved him and still does.

You were told weeks in advance that we were going to have you lose to the 2nd Banana in a banana v. banana match and you never said anything about it bothering you.You just left and refused to lose the only time we ever asked to.Thereby refusing to job, and finish the storyline.

So, I don't see where I lied.

All you had to do was talk to me and we could have changed the story.Instead you said nothing to me.Nobody knew you were quitting after 4/20 or even thinking about it for months.Not one complaint, just left.Leaving us to guess why.

As far as protecting my ego.I dress up like a clown and pretend to fist people for a hobby.Do really think I take myself that seriously?

I'm done with the he said/she said.All you had to do was talk to me once before all this started and we could have changed the story and/worked things out.


Posted by Josh Black | August 10, 2008 1:14 PM
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There you go again with the lies, I can assume you might have told someone, but you only let me on the "replacement" plan the TUESDAY before Chronic Pain, and that's not "weeks" like you just lied again.

I had figured it out back in February, why didn't you tell me back then? doesn't matter.

I "guess" you should have kept guessing, rather than lie about me.
All you had to do was say "Paul isn't with us anymore", that's it, if anyone had questions they could have asked me, and depending on who it was, I might have answered them.
But you had to talk shit.
I don't doubt you will never see that you ostracized me, treated me like crap, so much so I decided to leave, yes, lied to me, and about me.
You act like all I had to do was talk to you, since when did you ever listen to me, I will call that a dellusion rather than a lie.
I asked question after question, you never responded, you did notice in January when I stopped posting on the forum, by then it was too late.

So do you hate me now, well now you know how I feel towards you.

Just sharing the feeling.

I'm a mark huh. As for that spagetti bag, I got yelled at for ten minutes because Simon felt his toes had been stepped on because I agreed to do that spot.
That's what it was like in SSP, bunch of people with their egos, and Josh you weren't any different.

Posted by the Banana | August 10, 2008 4:32 PM
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So, apparently The Stranger takes the time to put a story up about King Cobra sticking its neck out for SSP, and SSP sticking its neck out for ALL STAGE PERFORMERS IN SEATTLE, and it turns into this. Good job all around folks.

First off, I want to publicly thank King Cobra's owners, staff, and security for what they have meant to SSP so far. Their dedication and support and recommendations have made ME, not to mention all of SSP, work harder to make this work.

Make no mistake about it, our show is a successful show that has drawn hundreds of people to our events before. These folks that showed up spent alot of money on booze and merchandise. More on that later.

I'd also like to thank the community of Weirdos, Artists, Bartenders, Musicians, etc who have shown their support for SSP. My two favorite moments Wednesday night were 1) "Fat Bottomed Girls" (if you weren't there, you don't understand) and 2) walking into The Crescent and hearing a SSP chant, even though there were NO SSP MEMBERS IN THE PLACE YET! The outpour of love is amazing.

However, I couldn't help but notice the crowd was smaller than usual. And why not? People come to see the "Fighting Cabaret" we usually do, which, we cannot do right now.

Why? For the aforementioned reasons in the article. The state has decided to enter action against us due to a complaint. Where did that complaint come from? Well...go up a few posts to the poster THE SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN IS PAUL.

That was me. Not Josh, Paul. I knew all along it was you. And I knew I could get you to admit it in a public forum for the world to see.

Now, to be fair and honest, (and this will shock some people I am sure) I agree the state has a REQUIREMENT to investigate. That is why state agencies exist. For all they know, we pick random people out of the crowd and beat them up. It is their job to follow up on a complaint and make a decision. However, I feel that they do not have a GOOD CASE, as it does interfere with First Amendment rights and goes against the concept of performance artist rights. When all is said and done, I hope the state realizes this and drops the case.

My problem with the state's position is that it sets a precedent for other "acts". What about Metalcore bands that use stage theatrics a la Alice Cooper? What about the growing hip hop community which relies on crowd participation at shows to make the shows better? What about Seattle's successful Burlesque community that entertains so many? Where is the line drawn? I say the line is drawn at physical endangerment to the audience. In which case we better shut down burlesque shows, because my heart cannot take the overwhelming beauty and talent I see at every show. Seriously, I feel weak everytime I see a beautiful woman in a thong. (This is called SARCASM!)

In conclusion to this issue involving the state, this is Seattle. As a 15 year old boy, my first knowledge of Seattle was a picture of Eddie Vedder hanging from a lighting rig at the DROP IN THE PARK concert. From a lighting rig! Man, as a midwest teenager that spoke volumes to me. It made me think that anything was possible in the land of the Northwest. It was the first of many things that added up to me moving here. The thought that maybe some kid will see a guy in a clown suit, a guy in a banana suit, a guy in a shiny shirt, and some fat ass loudmouth singing "We Are The World" motivates me. Maybe that kid will believe the way I did. Creativity and passion lead to more creativity and passion. And that is a GOOD THING. However, cutting off that creativity and passion, leads to nothing except emptiness. I hope the state can see that SSP is there to entertain. Period.

We entertain the people who serve you drinks. Who deliver your room service. Who wash your car. Who deliver your pizza. Who make your video games. We entertain the people of Seattle!

Now, to go back to my earlier point about attendance and money, this goes back to you Paul. Do you realize that you are not just "getting back" at those you claim "screwed" you? This is not just about SSP. What about the bartenders counting on business from the show? What about the bar owners doing the same? What about the kitchen counting on selling food? What about the hot dog guy outside? What about the neighboring bars hoping for aftershow or preshow business? What about the bands playing the venue, or surrounding venues, hoping someone sees their ad and will go to their show? And on and on an on....

In the end, you have caused far more trouble than you were worth.

And that's not even the worst of it.

See, you cost yourself, too.

Think about it. Bigger venue. Popular character in a banana suit. T shirts. You made the Banana shirt first. As far as I am concerned, the idea for the shirts was yours. And you could have kept going and going and going. Hell, I would go as far as to say you could have sold ten shirts at the last show alone. But, no, you took the route you did. And why? Because of some disillusion you have.

Time after time after time people come to me with their problems and I try to help them. I go as far as to soften the blow for them. And as far as not getting your "ideas" across, well, you would have had to get in line and wait. For awhile. Behind me. Because there is NO ONE who gets ideas shot down at the rate I do. I feel like a wooden air force against a dragon army sometimes. But, I do not take it personally. Because it is all part of the process. And you have to go with the flow.

Now, I have read through your posts, which, of course take away from the main point of the Stranger (that being that KING COBRA and their staff KICK ASS for sticking their necks out for us), and I have to laugh.

I love the "lies" part. What "lies" are you talking about? Guess what champ, I WAS THE ONE WHO INFORMED EVERYONE ABOUT YOU WALKING OUT AND LEAVING AND YOUR MYSPACE POSTS! I WAS THE ONE READING YOUR DELUSIONAL BLOGS! It's funny you'll go after certain people because they are too nice to bother normally. But I have sat back for too long through this whole thing to allow you to berate or downtalk those who do not deserve it. The line of people who have beef with you is now too long to fit in one place. I think the bar owners who were expecting huge business are first. What do you have to say to them? What do you have to say to the staff of King Cobra? What do you have to say to the fans? How can you justify yourself to anyone? You cannot.

Do you think anybody really cares about you now? Cry me a river, buddy.

In conclusion, and this goes out to the ENTIRE SEATTLE COMMUNITY, we thank you for your support. We hope to resolve this as soon as possible and get back to entertaining you like only we can. Thank you again to:

KING COBRA---FOR STICKING BY US
KING COBRA STAFF---FOR BEING SO DAMN AWESOME
KING COBRA SECURITY---FOR FORCING US TO SHOW OUR BALLS!!! (HEHE!)
SINNER SAINT BURLESQUE---FOR BEING A GROUP OF SUPER TALENTED SEXY WOMEN WHO STOOD BY US
SSP FANS---FOR BEING COMPLETE LUNATICS ALONG FOR THE RIDE, YOU MAKE OUR SHOW YOUR SHOW!!!
FUTURE SSP FANS---WE WILL SEE YOU SOON ENOUGH!!!!
THE STRANGER--FOR MAKING OUR CAUSE KNOWN
OUR LAWYER---WHEN YOU RUN FOR MAYOR, YOU HAVE ME FOR FREE AS A VOLUNTEER

and last but not least...

SSP---I LOVE YOU GUYS.

See you all next month, or, out and about. Also, to all the fans, stop yelling out my T-Shirt catchphrase in front of children. It's embarassing.

Luuuuuuuuuvvvvvvvvv you,

Evil Kimmel

Posted by The Voice Of SSP | August 10, 2008 7:10 PM
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Dealing with Conflict

Conflict occurs when individuals or groups are not obtaining what they need or want and are seeking their own self-interest. Sometimes the individual is not aware of the need and unconsciously starts to act out. Other times, the individual is very aware of what he or she wants and actively works at achieving the goal.

About conflict:

Conflict is inevitable;
Conflict develops because we are dealing with people's lives, jobs, children, pride, self-concept, ego and sense of mission or purpose;
Early indicators of conflict can be recognized;
There are strategies for resolution that are available and DO work;
Although inevitable, conflict can be minimized, diverted and/or resolved.
Beginnings of conflict:

Poor communication
Seeking power
Dissatisfaction with management style
Weak leadership
Lack of openness
Change in leadership
Conflict indicators:

Body language
Disagreements, regardless of issue
Withholding bad news
Surprises
Strong public statements
Airing disagreements through media
Conflicts in value system
Desire for power
Increasing lack of respect
Open disagreement
Lack of candor on budget problems or other sensitive issues
Lack of clear goals
No discussion of progress, failure relative to goals, failure to evaluate the superintendent fairly, thoroughly or at all.
Conflict is destructive when it:

Takes attention away from other important activities
Undermines morale or self-concept
Polarizes people and groups, reducing cooperation
Increases or sharpens difference
Leads to irresponsible and harmful behavior, such as fighting, name-calling
Conflict is constructive when it:

Results in clarification of important problems and issues
Results in solutions to problems
Involves people in resolving issues important to them
Causes authentic communication
Helps release emotion, anxiety, and stress
Builds cooperation among people through learning more about each other;
joining in resolving the conflict
Helps individuals develop understanding and skills
Techniques for avoiding and/or resolving (board-superintendent) conflict:

Meet conflict head on
Set goals
Plan for and communicate frequently
Be honest about concerns
Agree to disagree - understand healthy disagreement would build better decisions
Get individual ego out of management style
Let your team create - people will support what they help create
Discuss differences in values openly
Continually stress the importance of following policy
Communicate honestly - avoid playing "gotcha" type games
Provide more data and information than is needed
Develop a sound management system
Causes of board-superintendent conflict:

How does a school board cause conflict with a superintendent?

Trying to be administrators; overstepping authority
Making promises as board members individually
Involving themselves in labor relations or budgetary minutia
Not doing their "homework" and failing to prepare for meetings
Not following procedures for handling complaints
Not keeping executive session information confidential
Failing to act on sensitive issues
Failing to be open and honest with the superintendent
Making decisions based on preconceived notions
Not supporting the superintendent - lack of loyalty
Springing surprises at meetings
Having hidden agendas
How does a superintendent cause conflict with a school board?

Not treating board members alike
Not informing the board members of public concerns
Not providing adequate financial data or adequate information
Using poor public management practices
Making public statements before informing the board
Failing to be open and honest with the board
Not providing alternatives in an objective manner
Not adjusting to the new reality of an involved board
Not support the board - lack of loyalty
Springing surprises at meetings
Having hidden agendas
Elements of a strong board-superintendent partnerships

Full disclosure
Frequent two-way communication
Careful planning
Informal interaction
Periodic evaluation
Mutual support
Courageous decision controversies:

The controversies usually involve:

Changes in the way "we've always done things"
Notions of fundamental values
Determined, articulate advocates for every side
Inability to compromise
Rampant rumors
Threats of retaliation at the polls at the next bond, levy or school
Board election
Resolving Conflict

Searching for the causes of conflict is essential to be successful in resolving the conflict. Nine possible causes of conflict include:

Conflict with self
Needs or wants are not being met
Values are being tested
Perceptions are being questioned
Assumptions are being made
Knowledge is minimal
Expectations are too high/too low
Personality, race, or gender differences are present
Reaching Consensus through Collaboration
Groups often collaborate closely in order to reach consensus or agreement. The ability to use collaboration requires the recognition of and respect for everyone's ideas, opinions, and suggestions. Consensus requires that each participant must agree on the point being discussed before it becomes a part of the decision. Not every point will meet with everyone's complete approval. Unanimity is not the goal. The goal is to have individuals accept a point of view based on logic. When individuals can understand and accept the logic of a differing point of view, you must assume you have reached consensus.

Follow these guidelines for reaching consensus:

Avoid arguing over individual ranking or position. Present a position as logically as possible.
Avoid "win-lose" statements. Discard the notion that someone must win.
Avoid changing of minds only in order to avoid conflict and to achieve harmony.
Avoid majority voting, averaging, bargaining, or coin flipping. These do not lead to consensus. Treat differences of opinion as indicative of incomplete sharing of relevant information, keep asking questions.
Keep the attitude that holding different views is both natural and healthy to a group.
View initial agreement as suspect. Explore the reasons underlying apparent agreement and make sure that members have willingly agreed.

Posted by RESOLVE THE ISSUE | August 10, 2008 8:46 PM
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so what's the big deal, banana? it sounds like the ssp wasn't even worth your time. why waste so much time and energy on all this negativity? I've seen the show (not my thing), and it doesn't seem like the be-all-end-all you make it out to be. just some guys having a good time. was everyone really out to get you?

Posted by misty higgins | August 11, 2008 1:10 AM
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whatever, dude. the banana sucked. he was boring as hell, never smiled, never looked at the crowd, just stared at his feet the whole time. what, you get your feather boa in a twist? maybe you should have acted like you enjoyed what you did on stage, if it meant that much to you. you looked like you just woke, smoked a blunt, and stumbled on stage. you know, the line for the bar always tripled in length when you came out?

Posted by the re-barbarian | August 11, 2008 12:33 PM

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