Media They Forgot About the “Thinking” Part
posted by July 8 at 19:00 PMon
In case you hadn’t heard, there’s a bit of a blow-up over two editors at the Gawker-owned feminist web site Jezebel.com, Moe Tcakik and Tracie Egan, who appeared, representing Jezebel, an event called “Thinking and Drinking” last week. The host of the show, Lizz Winstead, says she asked them to do the onstage interview because “their work on Jezebel has made them role models for young women everywhere.” She wanted to talk to them about Hillary and sexism, women’s magazines and whether they “feel any obligation to write about responsibility and safety when they write graphically about their sex lives.” But things quickly went off the rails, as you’ll see when you watch the video.
On safe-sex choices:
Moe: Withdrawal has always worked for me.
Tracie: One hundred percent.
Tracie: People are always saying it’s not safe to go home with strange men, blah, blah blah, like Mr. Goodbar whatever.
Moe: What’s gonna happen??
Lizz: You could get raped.
Moe: That’s happening too, but you live through that, you know?
Lizz: Sometimes you don’t.
Moe: That’s true, if they have weapons.
Tracie: I’m not going to bring someone home and be like, not tonight.
Lizz… But that’s just not how rape works! If you bring a guy home and you want to fuck him and he’s like guess what, I’m a psycho, and when I look in your face I want to kill you…
Tracie: I live in Williamsburg, there aren’t very, um, assertive men there.
Moe: The thing about the rapists of our generation, is that they’re not very assertive men, but they all use drugs, they all have some sort of drug they use on you, so it’s good to feel, and I don’t know if this has happened to me or if I just drink too much but there are times when… It’s really hard to prosecute them (rapists), so you should try to avoid them at all costs. But you know, I don’t know, it’s a very strange line.
Tracie: I moved to New York when I was 18 and you think you would encounter more rapists in this big city , but, I don’t know, I haven’t. I always, I don’t know if I attract, like, dudes that want to be dominated or something?
Moe: I attract rapists.
Tracie: I once paid someone to rape me once.
Lizz: Well, first of all, you cannot pay someone to rape you. You are a willing accomplice. You have said, rape me now, it’s not rape. ..
Tracie: I think even though I’m a feminist I just have this issue where I naturally dominate everybody and so I had this like fantasy where I like wanted to be dominated so I paid someone—well, I didn’t pay someone, I had a magazine pay for it—
Lizz: That is two steps removed from rape.
On date rape:
Moe: I’ve totally been like victimized, and I think that I kind of must broadcast something. But the point is that, like, I think you were saying what do you regret in terms of sexual experiences and I guess I regret like being date raped.
But, you know, it seems like in terms of kind of bad sexual experiences that you’ve had the worst ones always seem to be in countries where sex is not accepted. I mean, that is the good thing about New York, it’s like, I’ve never has any problems with anyone here
I guess third guy, I ever had sex with, date raped me, and I got very mad at him, but I wasn’t gonna fucking like turn him in to the police and fucking go through shit.
Lizz: Why not, you see that’s the problem, why not, I am just curious?
Moe: Because it was a load of trouble and I had better things to do, like drinking more.
On how to not get yourself raped:
Tracie: I have to honestly say that like, I know that it happens to girls who are smart, who know what they’re doing, and blah blah blah, but like, I’ve never ever been in that situation and I’ve had lots and lots and lots of sex with a lot of people in my life. Maybe it’s about education or something.
Lizz: Maybe you’re lucky.
Tracie: I think it has to do with the fact that I am like, smart. Don’t hiss! When I see myself in a situation that’s not cool—I get wasted and stuff but like when I see myself in a situation I’m out. I’ve never hung around with frat guys. I took self-defense classes.
Moe: Yeah but it’s like that Holocaust poem, you know…
Tracie: I’m just saying I’ve never been in that situation.
Moe: I always felt very like, safe around this guy even after he date raped me.
Lizz: You’re digging yourself a huge hole, darlin’. You were not safe with him, he raped you!
Moe: All I’m saying is that he didn’t seem like a guy who was like a date rapist.
Lizz: You can’t identify where latent rage and anger and all that is. It doesn’t have a look, it doesn’t have a style, it doesn’t have any of that.
Moe: But it’s also, like, ridiculous to be like, you can never know, you have to be on guard at all times, it’s like, the war on terror.
On being role models:
Tracie: Anybody that would emulate someone else is not with it completely.
Lizz: Hello? We have a, like, 75 bazillion dollar television budget that is based on emulation! What are you talking about? Your whole blog is based on people emulating you. Regardless of whether you think they should! That’s like when football players say I am not a role model. You’re a de facto role model.
Tracie: That’s like undermining their intelligence to make their own decisions.
Now, it’s not like I’ve never said dumb shit when I’m drunk. But you know what? I’ve also never gone onstage, wasted, representing the Stranger, and made a complete ass of myself in front of a bunch of people who paid to see me speak. If I was their employer—hell, if I was their friend— I’d be sad as hell to watch these two smart, funny ladies make themselves look and sound like complete fucking assholes. If you’re gonna be a public person, you’ve got to take responsibility for your public actions. And tossing up a whiny post about how bad your hangover is ain’t gonna cut it.