Slog - Comments on Speaking of Flow Charts

Comment by leek

leek — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:21:54 -0800

Hey! That's something my acquaintance Lore did! I believe that puts me in the geek chart. Hopefully above furries.

Comment by HULK

HULK — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:26:11 -0800

HULK LOVE NERDS

Comment by elenchos

elenchos — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:31:14 -0800

It's so limited. As if the only kinds of geeks are fiction geeks. Consider that non-BMW motorcycle riders consider themselves less geeky than BMW motorcycle riders -- note this is the opposite from BMW cars! And that BMW riders who don't wear Aerostich suits consider themselves less geeky than those who do.

Or the geekyness of organic gardeners who compost vs organic gardeners who don't. There is far more geekyness out there than comic books and sci fi. Far, far more.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:40:18 -0800

It's "Jonah and me", not "Jonah and I".

Is there a spot for grammar geeks?

Comment by grammar geek

grammar geek — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:40:26 -0800

for Jonah and me. Object of the preposition, so use the objective form.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:41:53 -0800

Snuck in before you, grammar geek. I look down on you from above.

Comment by grammar geek

grammar geek — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:42:01 -0800

jinx 12345678910 youowemeaCoke

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:44:22 -0800

I jinxed your jinx. You owe me a Scotch and soda.

Comment by UNPAID BLOGGER

UNPAID BLOGGER — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:44:57 -0800

Don't forget Sam in the nerd category, you ingrates!

Comment by wisepunk

wisepunk — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:45:36 -0800

Wear your nerd badge with pride!

And yes, I have all x-men spin off books before 1990 in acid free bags with backers.

Comment by HULK

HULK — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:46:08 -0800

HULK SMASH GRAMMMER

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:46:26 -0800

Who's at the top of the motorbike heirarchy, Elenchos? Motoguzzi riders? Carefully restored Nortons? If you say "Harley" I will burn your house down.

Comment by elenchos

elenchos — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:50:30 -0800

http://twinline.blogspot.com/

'Nuff said.

Comment by grammar/jinx geek

grammar/jinx geek — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:52:38 -0800

To jinx my jinx, you would have had to simultaneously submit the comment jinx. However, my protocol was incorrect. There was no need to count to 10 *unless* you had already jinxed my jinx. So we'll call it even.

In any case...

in that case I'll have a rum and Coca Cola
she said fine
and then in 30 seconds time she said...

Comment by leek

leek — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:53:32 -0800

Shouldn't Golob be in this category too? Science nerdery and all.

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:55:27 -0800

Nerds, for the most part, don't have shame.

Even geeks have relatively little shame.

Hence, a shame-driven feedback mechanism, for the most part, won't work.

That said, putting this up on a wiki is like asking a 10 year old not to hack it ...

Comment by Sheriously!

Sheriously! — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:56:09 -0800

@13 I shee that you have shown yourshelf to be a comic nerd, and referenshed Shtan Lee's famoush catch phrash in your commentary.

Well played Shir.

Comment by Hernandez

Hernandez — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:57:02 -0800

@10 All X-Men spinoffs before 1990? Dude, I've got all the X-Men spinoffs up to like, 1995, at the height of the mainstream comics boom (due to rampant over-speculation in the collector's market), so I think I win.

Comment by Joh

Joh — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:01:14 -0800

And oddly, yours, Jonah's and Sam's posts are the ones I enjoy the most (other than Lindy's, but hers are more due to infrequency and an absolute surplus of cuteness)

Comment by Poncho

Poncho — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:06:26 -0800

They forgot sports geek (i.e. anyone that obsesses on sports, collects sports cards, hats, jackets. etc.). Losers.

Comment by Emily

Emily — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:07:38 -0800

"Of course, lots of bloggers are responding to this with a �can�t we all just get along?� kind of thing, as though these sorts of caste systems don�t naturally occur."

ARE responding? This thing is like five million years old. Welcome to the internet.

Comment by elenchos

elenchos — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:07:54 -0800

Well, perhaps the least geeky motorcyclist on Earth is a frat boy doing a standup wheelie on the Alaska viaduct on his way to Alki Beach on a blue-and-white gixxer 600 wearing a backwards baseball cap, a Corona beer wifebeater, khaki cargo shorts, and flip flops, with a blond bimbo on the back who doesn't know his last name. And a full-faced helmet, not worn, but attached to the helmet hook on the side of bike. That's pretty non-geeky, but those guys eat pavement and die before their mother makes the second payment on the bike, almost as if they never existed at all.

Comment by Poncho

Poncho — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:10:27 -0800

They forgot sports geek (i.e. anyone that obsesses on sports, collects sports cards, hats, jackets, etc.)

Comment by keshmeshi

keshmeshi — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:11:47 -0800

You also need to include sci-fi nerds who try to write teleplays or books based on TV shows. And of course slash fanfic writers.

Comment by Brandon J.

Brandon J. — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:14:17 -0800

That's right, Nerds should be ashamed of themselves. Because we like to use our free time in ways that don't involve Coors Light and Football(NASCAR if you live south of the Mason-Dixon Line). I'm getting real tired of the constant "joking" that anyone with a hobby that isn't retardedly mainstream or cliche is a Nerd and should be looked down upon by the rest of the boring turds in society.

Comment by Mike of Renton

Mike of Renton — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:28:40 -0800

They forgot trading card gamers. I think it would fit between video gamers and role playing gamers. I could add a few more in there, but I'll pass for now.

Comment by Congrats

Congrats — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:38:40 -0800

"That said, putting this up on a wiki is like asking a 10 year old not to hack it ..." -WiS

Congratulations for attempting to make a simile out of two phrases that are impossible to do so with. +10 points.

Comment by Smartypants

Smartypants — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:48:52 -0800

Where is the parallel track for Star Trek fans?

It'd look something like SF TV fans --> Star Trek Fans --> Go to Star Trek Conventions --> Go to Star Trek Conventions in uniform --> Have sex in uniform at Star Trek conventions --> Masturbate in Star Trek uniform while living in mom's basement.

Comment by Bellevue Ave

Bellevue Ave — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:07:59 -0800

Brandon J. you're a fucking idiot. People in Seattle pride themselves on their non mainstream hobbies which has become so fucking mainstream that people that watch football and make dogs fight homeless people for oil futures are the real outsiders.

OOOH YOU KNIT? OOOH YOU SEW? OOOH YOU LET EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT YOUR NERDY HOBBY THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOOO REJETED BY THE MAINSTREAM?

Do you play warhammer or have any idea what that is? I played warhammer and watched football at the same time and I've only been defined by my thick cock, not what i did in my free time. The lesson here is that you are defined by your physical attributes and physical/mental abilities, not what you do as a career or as a hobby. I'm known as mr. thickcock and my girlfriend is ms. bustychest. Will in Seattle is known as Balding Idiot.

THUS ENDETH THE LESSON!

Comment by Bellevue Ave

Bellevue Ave — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:11:25 -0800

http://www.beegs.com/images/nerdheirarchy.gif

Comment by Jay

Jay — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:14:08 -0800

29: Yeah, these self-proclaimed Seattle nerds are weak. When I was a lad, I ran a warez BBS, listened to metal and played Rifts.

Comment by Jay

Jay — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:16:04 -0800

30: I'm glad to see that I achieved and even exceeded the highest level of History nerdom.

Comment by Jay

Jay — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:18:57 -0800

Nevermind, I think I got the history nerd heirachy backwards. I only acquired degrees in it.

Comment by Stacy in Austin, nerd hag

Stacy in Austin, nerd hag — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:19:48 -0800

2: IAWTC

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:29:02 -0800

@27 - um. k.

Emily FTW @21, FWIW.

And it used to be Trekkie - Trekker - Trekfen .. but that was before speaking and dressing as Klingon became such a deal and Vulcans were more typical.

Comment by Emily

Emily — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:46:18 -0800

@ 35, thanks.

...says the slash fanfic writer. XD

Comment by Gloria

Gloria — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:47:08 -0800

The internet's spoiled me. I was actually surprised -- genuinely surprised! -- when someone at work sneered at me for being a Star Trek fan.

Comment by I'm black! Really!

I'm black! Really! — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:05:21 -0800

Did someone mention Star Trek fans having sex in Star Trek uniforms? Cause that's smokin' hot.

Comment by wisepunk

wisepunk — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:40:29 -0800

Hernandez,

Sorry I had to stop collecting in 1990 when I joined the Army to defend the freedom of whiney little commies like yourself and Muldede.

/i keed, i keed. About the whiney commie part at least. And the defending freedom part.

Comment by tabletop_joe

tabletop_joe — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:44:17 -0800

I like the new category. ^_^

Comment by Luke Baggins

Luke Baggins — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:32:10 -0800

If you look at the image, you'll notice the legend says that the arrow indicates that the group at the base of the arrow considers itself less geeky than the group to whom the arrow points. The chart doesn't claim to reflect the actual geekiness of the groups, just the level they themselves perceive. The arrows pointing to the Furries are all two way. Like you'll notice that Ren Faire folk and SCA folk have a mutual arrow between them. That said, it looks like a pretty good reflection of the actual dorkdom hierarchy. Has anybody heard Margaret Cho's bit on the connection between BDSM clubs and Star Trek conventions?

Comment by Geeks In Love

Geeks In Love — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:21:05 -0800

Anyone who uses the Hierarchy to "prove" their status is---let's be honest here---a dumbass. What was intended as a joke is all too often offered up as a valid point in debates. That's not funny, it's stupid.

The folks who do that are (perhaps deliberately) misinterpreting the Hierarchy anyway. It's a chart of who "considers themselves less geeky than" not "who's better than." Geeks are cool and geekiness isn't something to look down on.

It's an old story, but I'll tell it again: A few years ago at a furry con I had to fortune of having dinner with Trace Beaulieu (of MST3K fame). We asked him what his thoughts were on inter-geek "my fandom is better than your" posturing that goes on, and he said it disappointed him. As Mr. Beaulieu was a sci-fi fan himself, he could sympathize as he probably got similar flak for his interests when growing up.