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Thursday, July 10, 2008

Speaking of Flow Charts

posted by on July 10 at 14:00 PM

This geek flow chart shows the hierarchy of geekdom. Here’s a tiny sliver of the center of the chart:

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Of course, lots of bloggers are responding to this with a “can’t we all just get along?” kind of thing, as though these sorts of caste systems don’t naturally occur. Some of these slots are much-deserved: furries, quite frankly, are more geeky than superhero nerds. And comic book nerds are much less geeky than comic book nerds who only read X-Men spinoffs. I contend that an element of shame is a healthy thing in a subculture like this.

And to prove almost the exact opposite of what I said above, I believe that this post marks the inauguration of Slog’s new “Nerd” category, which I have been told was created pretty much exclusively for Jonah and I. I’m honestly a little ashamed about that.

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Hey! That's something my acquaintance Lore did! I believe that puts me in the geek chart. Hopefully above furries.

Posted by leek | July 10, 2008 2:21 PM
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HULK LOVE NERDS

Posted by HULK | July 10, 2008 2:26 PM
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It's so limited. As if the only kinds of geeks are fiction geeks. Consider that non-BMW motorcycle riders consider themselves less geeky than BMW motorcycle riders -- note this is the opposite from BMW cars! And that BMW riders who don't wear Aerostich suits consider themselves less geeky than those who do.

Or the geekyness of organic gardeners who compost vs organic gardeners who don't. There is far more geekyness out there than comic books and sci fi. Far, far more.

Posted by elenchos | July 10, 2008 2:31 PM
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It's "Jonah and me", not "Jonah and I".

Is there a spot for grammar geeks?

Posted by Fnarf | July 10, 2008 2:40 PM
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for Jonah and me. Object of the preposition, so use the objective form.

Posted by grammar geek | July 10, 2008 2:40 PM
6

Snuck in before you, grammar geek. I look down on you from above.

Posted by Fnarf | July 10, 2008 2:41 PM
7

jinx 12345678910 youowemeaCoke

Posted by grammar geek | July 10, 2008 2:42 PM
8

I jinxed your jinx. You owe me a Scotch and soda.

Posted by Fnarf | July 10, 2008 2:44 PM
9

Don't forget Sam in the nerd category, you ingrates!

Posted by UNPAID BLOGGER | July 10, 2008 2:44 PM
10

Wear your nerd badge with pride!

And yes, I have all x-men spin off books before 1990 in acid free bags with backers.

Posted by wisepunk | July 10, 2008 2:45 PM
11

HULK SMASH GRAMMMER

Posted by HULK | July 10, 2008 2:46 PM
12

Who's at the top of the motorbike heirarchy, Elenchos? Motoguzzi riders? Carefully restored Nortons? If you say "Harley" I will burn your house down.

Posted by Fnarf | July 10, 2008 2:46 PM
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Posted by elenchos | July 10, 2008 2:50 PM
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To jinx my jinx, you would have had to simultaneously submit the comment jinx. However, my protocol was incorrect. There was no need to count to 10 *unless* you had already jinxed my jinx. So we'll call it even.

In any case...

in that case I'll have a rum and Coca Cola
she said fine
and then in 30 seconds time she said...

Posted by grammar/jinx geek | July 10, 2008 2:52 PM
15

Shouldn't Golob be in this category too? Science nerdery and all.

Posted by leek | July 10, 2008 2:53 PM
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Nerds, for the most part, don't have shame.

Even geeks have relatively little shame.

Hence, a shame-driven feedback mechanism, for the most part, won't work.

That said, putting this up on a wiki is like asking a 10 year old not to hack it ...

Posted by Will in Seattle | July 10, 2008 2:55 PM
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@13 I shee that you have shown yourshelf to be a comic nerd, and referenshed Shtan Lee's famoush catch phrash in your commentary.

Well played Shir.

Posted by Sheriously! | July 10, 2008 2:56 PM
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@10 All X-Men spinoffs before 1990? Dude, I've got all the X-Men spinoffs up to like, 1995, at the height of the mainstream comics boom (due to rampant over-speculation in the collector's market), so I think I win.

Posted by Hernandez | July 10, 2008 2:57 PM
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And oddly, yours, Jonah's and Sam's posts are the ones I enjoy the most (other than Lindy's, but hers are more due to infrequency and an absolute surplus of cuteness)

Posted by Joh | July 10, 2008 3:01 PM
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They forgot sports geek (i.e. anyone that obsesses on sports, collects sports cards, hats, jackets. etc.). Losers.

Posted by Poncho | July 10, 2008 3:06 PM
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"Of course, lots of bloggers are responding to this with a cant we all just get along? kind of thing, as though these sorts of caste systems dont naturally occur."

ARE responding? This thing is like five million years old. Welcome to the internet.

Posted by Emily | July 10, 2008 3:07 PM
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Well, perhaps the least geeky motorcyclist on Earth is a frat boy doing a standup wheelie on the Alaska viaduct on his way to Alki Beach on a blue-and-white gixxer 600 wearing a backwards baseball cap, a Corona beer wifebeater, khaki cargo shorts, and flip flops, with a blond bimbo on the back who doesn't know his last name. And a full-faced helmet, not worn, but attached to the helmet hook on the side of bike. That's pretty non-geeky, but those guys eat pavement and die before their mother makes the second payment on the bike, almost as if they never existed at all.

Posted by elenchos | July 10, 2008 3:07 PM
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They forgot sports geek (i.e. anyone that obsesses on sports, collects sports cards, hats, jackets, etc.)

Posted by Poncho | July 10, 2008 3:10 PM
24

You also need to include sci-fi nerds who try to write teleplays or books based on TV shows. And of course slash fanfic writers.

Posted by keshmeshi | July 10, 2008 3:11 PM
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That's right, Nerds should be ashamed of themselves. Because we like to use our free time in ways that don't involve Coors Light and Football(NASCAR if you live south of the Mason-Dixon Line). I'm getting real tired of the constant "joking" that anyone with a hobby that isn't retardedly mainstream or cliche is a Nerd and should be looked down upon by the rest of the boring turds in society.

Posted by Brandon J. | July 10, 2008 3:14 PM
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They forgot trading card gamers. I think it would fit between video gamers and role playing gamers. I could add a few more in there, but I'll pass for now.

Posted by Mike of Renton | July 10, 2008 3:28 PM
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"That said, putting this up on a wiki is like asking a 10 year old not to hack it ..." -WiS

Congratulations for attempting to make a simile out of two phrases that are impossible to do so with. +10 points.

Posted by Congrats | July 10, 2008 3:38 PM
28

Where is the parallel track for Star Trek fans?


It'd look something like SF TV fans --> Star Trek Fans --> Go to Star Trek Conventions --> Go to Star Trek Conventions in uniform --> Have sex in uniform at Star Trek conventions --> Masturbate in Star Trek uniform while living in mom's basement.

Posted by Smartypants | July 10, 2008 3:48 PM
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Brandon J. you're a fucking idiot. People in Seattle pride themselves on their non mainstream hobbies which has become so fucking mainstream that people that watch football and make dogs fight homeless people for oil futures are the real outsiders.

OOOH YOU KNIT? OOOH YOU SEW? OOOH YOU LET EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT YOUR NERDY HOBBY THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOOO REJETED BY THE MAINSTREAM?

Do you play warhammer or have any idea what that is? I played warhammer and watched football at the same time and I've only been defined by my thick cock, not what i did in my free time. The lesson here is that you are defined by your physical attributes and physical/mental abilities, not what you do as a career or as a hobby. I'm known as mr. thickcock and my girlfriend is ms. bustychest. Will in Seattle is known as Balding Idiot.

THUS ENDETH THE LESSON!

Posted by Bellevue Ave | July 10, 2008 4:07 PM
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Posted by Bellevue Ave | July 10, 2008 4:11 PM
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29: Yeah, these self-proclaimed Seattle nerds are weak. When I was a lad, I ran a warez BBS, listened to metal and played Rifts.

Posted by Jay | July 10, 2008 4:14 PM
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30: I'm glad to see that I achieved and even exceeded the highest level of History nerdom.

Posted by Jay | July 10, 2008 4:16 PM
33

Nevermind, I think I got the history nerd heirachy backwards. I only acquired degrees in it.

Posted by Jay | July 10, 2008 4:18 PM
34

2: IAWTC

Posted by Stacy in Austin, nerd hag | July 10, 2008 4:19 PM
35

@27 - um. k.

Emily FTW @21, FWIW.

And it used to be Trekkie - Trekker - Trekfen .. but that was before speaking and dressing as Klingon became such a deal and Vulcans were more typical.

Posted by Will in Seattle | July 10, 2008 4:29 PM
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@ 35, thanks.

...says the slash fanfic writer. XD

Posted by Emily | July 10, 2008 4:46 PM
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The internet's spoiled me. I was actually surprised -- genuinely surprised! -- when someone at work sneered at me for being a Star Trek fan.

Posted by Gloria | July 10, 2008 4:47 PM
38

Did someone mention Star Trek fans having sex in Star Trek uniforms? Cause that's smokin' hot.

Posted by I'm black! Really! | July 10, 2008 5:05 PM
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Hernandez,

Sorry I had to stop collecting in 1990 when I joined the Army to defend the freedom of whiney little commies like yourself and Muldede.

/i keed, i keed. About the whiney commie part at least. And the defending freedom part.

Posted by wisepunk | July 10, 2008 5:40 PM
40

I like the new category. ^_^

Posted by tabletop_joe | July 10, 2008 5:44 PM
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If you look at the image, you'll notice the legend says that the arrow indicates that the group at the base of the arrow considers itself less geeky than the group to whom the arrow points. The chart doesn't claim to reflect the actual geekiness of the groups, just the level they themselves perceive. The arrows pointing to the Furries are all two way. Like you'll notice that Ren Faire folk and SCA folk have a mutual arrow between them. That said, it looks like a pretty good reflection of the actual dorkdom hierarchy. Has anybody heard Margaret Cho's bit on the connection between BDSM clubs and Star Trek conventions?

Posted by Luke Baggins | July 10, 2008 8:32 PM
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Anyone who uses the Hierarchy to "prove" their status is---let's be honest here---a dumbass. What was intended as a joke is all too often offered up as a valid point in debates. That's not funny, it's stupid.

The folks who do that are (perhaps deliberately) misinterpreting the Hierarchy anyway. It's a chart of who "considers themselves less geeky than" not "who's better than." Geeks are cool and geekiness isn't something to look down on.

It's an old story, but I'll tell it again: A few years ago at a furry con I had to fortune of having dinner with Trace Beaulieu (of MST3K fame). We asked him what his thoughts were on inter-geek "my fandom is better than your" posturing that goes on, and he said it disappointed him. As Mr. Beaulieu was a sci-fi fan himself, he could sympathize as he probably got similar flak for his interests when growing up.

Posted by Geeks In Love | July 11, 2008 10:21 PM

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