Slog - Comments on Saying No to Crack http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack Flint, Michigan was declared one of America's most dangerous cities last year, a distinction resented by the police chief. He said it's a safe town. And to make sure it stays that way, interim Chief David Dicks is cracking down on Flint's leading menace: Butts. Sagging pants, popularized by prison inmates, are now deemed illegal in Flint, punishable by 93 days to a year in jail and a $500 fine. But where do loose trousers end and criminal activity begin? The Flint Police Department has drafted this useful diagram to help. "Some people call it a fad," Dicks told the... Copyright 2008 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:32:58 -0800 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:32:06 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by I Am Who Am Mantyhose.

That is all.

]]> I Am Who Am http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072610 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072610 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:48:59 -0800 Comment by brent Moses Harris must wake up each day and think "I have the best job in the world".

]]> brent http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072611 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072611 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:53:45 -0800 Comment by SeattleExile Moose-knuckle? Wow.
Honestly, I'd expect police in general to welcome the baggy-pants fad - it means suspects can't run very fast when they break down the door at 2am.

]]> SeattleExile http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072614 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072614 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:06:53 -0800 Comment by Pinksoda That's a T-shirt waiting to happen!

]]> Pinksoda http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072615 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072615 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:10:21 -0800 Comment by SeattleExile I also like how the guy in the drawing is blue so that they can't accuse this of being a racial thing ...

]]> SeattleExile http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072618 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072618 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:23:00 -0800 Comment by Mike in MO yeah, seriously, moose-knuckle? Gross!

]]> Mike in MO http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072619 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072619 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:29:43 -0800 Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball I fully support the Flint approach. Sagging pants are completely de trop.

]]> Jubilation T. Cornball http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072620 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072620 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:37:23 -0800 Comment by ellarosa and headscarves, like in france.

]]> ellarosa http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072623 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072623 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:58:39 -0800 Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball @8, more problematic...headscarves are an acknowledged expression of religious belief...sagging pants are a symbol of thug life and the prison yard.

I have a much harder time legislating away the former.

]]> Jubilation T. Cornball http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072629 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072629 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:26:08 -0800 Comment by LMSW This is the first time I've heard the immoral self expression argument. Usually the police problem with baggy clothes is that said clothes make it easier to conceal a gun.

]]> LMSW http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072630 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072630 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:35:05 -0800 Comment by Judah Thing is, when I see someone with their pants around their ankles and their asscrack showing, I usually want to exercise my First Amendment right to be all, "Dude, why the hell would you think anyone wants to look at your poopshoot on the bus? Those pants don't make you look cool -- they make you look like a shortbus refugee who can't dress himself. Or like a mindless drone who'd drive a fucking railroad spike through his head if that happened to be in fashion. Or at least that's the impression I'm getting."

And yet, I'm pretty sure I could only say that a certain number of times before shit got violent. So maybe prior restraint isn't such a bad thing after all.

]]> Judah http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072631 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072631 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:54:16 -0800 Comment by Emily G I saw a guy the other day in such a "do", and I wanted to run up with him and frantically say: "Here, take this puppy, quick!" and then watch his pants fall down, but I didn't have a puppy.

]]> Emily G http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072633 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072633 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:12:56 -0800 Comment by Word I don't get why "kids these days" (fuck) want to dress prison yard-style. I'm a chick and I wouldn't want to look like I'd done time - which would mean: 5'' worth of roots growing out, eyebrows all over my face, pasty fatty-pancake face from all the starchy grub, and Unabomber bush. No thanks. Dawg.

]]> Word http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072639 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072639 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:43:06 -0800 Comment by Fnarf I like how you can see a sliver of daylight through the crotch of style #2.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072648 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072648 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:24:48 -0800 Comment by CP Very observant of you, Fnarf! There are no dangly bits! Of course, to imply that there were dangly bits would offend somebody just as much as that somebody is offended by public ass crack displays. Some of these folks really are offended by the visibility of UNDERWEAR. For that, I yawn. The whole gangster/prison-worship? Yeah, that's a legit concern. Let's just hope they don't start wearing zoot suits next.


Emily G @ 12, if you handed them a pupppy, they might take it home and beat it and train it to fight.

]]> CP http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072655 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072655 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:00:19 -0800 Comment by flamingbanjo #14: Moose-knuckle lodge has a daylight basement.

]]> flamingbanjo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072656 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072656 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:01:23 -0800 Comment by RainMan I was in Memphis a few months ago and happened to walk through the shopping mall attached to the Peabody Hotel (home of the famous ducks who parade through the lobby every morning accompanied by the music of a Sousa march). At the entrance was a sign proclaiming their dress code which included, among other things, the prohibition against wearing baseball caps backwards. I was reminded of the 1935 Nuremberg laws and wondered what 21st Century Nazi had written such a code of conduct but since I wanted to get to the Civil Rights Museum and the Beale Street bars (the latter in particular) I didn't give the matter much thought. When I returned later to retrieve my rental car from the adjacent lot I decided to see if they would actually enforce that statute with a 46-year-old white guy. After all, those laws have nothing to do with race, do they? You know, the South has changed a lot since the days of George Wallace and Bull Connor, right? So I turned my baseball cap around and was actually relieved when after parading around for 20 minutes feeling completely ridiculous (I'm way too old to pull off such a look) a security guard (African-American female) told me to fix it.

Of course nothing could have induced me to walk around sporting low-slung pants exposing half my ass to the general public. I'm not a licensed plumber or electrician, for one thing. And there are enough frighteningly ugly sights in the world already...

]]> RainMan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072657 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072657 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:05:21 -0800 Comment by CanWallah Flint? Baggy Pants? Asscrack?

Who has the best Michael Moore joke that would be appropriate here?

]]> CanWallah http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072661 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072661 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:44:47 -0800 Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball @17, thank god someone is still enforcing something approximating propriety. I'm glad you got called out.


]]> Jubilation T. Cornball http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072673 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072673 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:22:09 -0800 Comment by RainMan @19: Unfortunately I complied with the edict. Why I don't know, since 20 minutes in a shopping mall is about 19 minutes and 30 seconds too long for me. Maybe that's why I decided not to stage a sit-in.

]]> RainMan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072678 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072678 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:38:36 -0800 Comment by Guy Caballero "Saying No to Crack"? When the killer headline would have been something like "Dicks Against Butts"?

]]> Guy Caballero http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072681 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072681 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:44:19 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Why do they hate plumbers so?

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072687 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072687 Fashion Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:52:00 -0800 Comment by Catalina Vel-duray Why anyone would want to wear the 21st century equivalent of a hobble skirt is beyond me, but that's the way the kids are these days.


]]> Catalina Vel-duray http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072712 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072712 Fashion Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:47:47 -0800 Comment by violet_dagrinder @5: I thought the same thing. "All of those 'blue' guys who are saggin' MUST BE STOPPED."

Stupid, stupid, stupid law. In my dreamworld, tragic fashion is illegal, but here in the real world, I don't think we need the government's help on this point.

]]> violet_dagrinder http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072722 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072722 Fashion Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:12:35 -0800 Comment by tiffany i hope they enforce the same rule for girls who allow thongs to ride halfway up their back.

]]> tiffany http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072762 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072762 Fashion Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:23:13 -0800 Comment by Jeff Stevens @18,

Haven't you heard? Michael Moore's next movie will be a sequel to "Roger & Me," obscurely yet appropriately titled, "Okay, Lady, Where's That Broken Refrigerator?"

]]> Jeff Stevens http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072960 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1072960 Fashion Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:27:37 -0800 Comment by Dougsf Indecency? The only kids I see sportin' this style have their boxers pulled up, and their pants cinched above the knee. I've never noticed ass-crack as part of thug-style here.

And I've got boxer-briefs less revealing than what a lot of people go jogging in, who cares? All this is going to do is drive a bigger wedge between police and young people.

]]> Dougsf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1073108 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1073108 Fashion Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:35:39 -0800 Comment by Greg Young people dress like idiots. We don't need a law for that.

]]> Greg http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1074006 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/saying_no_to_crack#c1074006 Fashion Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:32:06 -0800