Slog - Comments on Savage Love Letter of the Day http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30 I have a simple question regarding the now legal same sex marriage in California: Does it grant citizenship to foreigners who marry US citizens? I ask because you recently claimed to have read the 140 page supreme court decision twice so I figure you're as much an expert as anyone—at least more than anyone I know. I'm a gay U.S. American living in France. I'm able to have French citizenship under local laws, but can my boyfriend get American citizenship if we take a trip to California next time we're visiting my family in Washington State? My natural instinct is... Copyright 2008 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:43:28 -0800 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:03:56 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by nicole I've wondered about this for a long time. The only reason my husband can live in the US with me legally is because of the fiance visa and the ensuing green card he's entitled to because of our marriage. It was already an unbelievable amount of paperwork, waiting and frustration and we were in a legitimate and hetero relationship, so I can only imagine how awful it would be to try to get a fiance visa or spouse visa for a same sex couple. Our immigration laws suck by the way, in case anyone wondered.

]]> nicole http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064186 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064186 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:02:41 -0800 Comment by It's Mark Mitchell Go live in France pussy you faggots!

]]> It's Mark Mitchell http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064188 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064188 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:09:08 -0800 Comment by gavastik @1: How awful? Under current law, impossible.

Don't get married in CA if you don't want to jeopardize your future non-immigrant visa applications. It's a very sad fact.

]]> gavastik http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064189 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064189 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:11:29 -0800 Comment by Mike in MO Mark Mitchell FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Say, wasn't someone going to make shirts with that? I would have loved to wear one to Pride...

]]> Mike in MO http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064223 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064223 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:51:02 -0800 Comment by StopTheMadness Hilarious! Using my hetero rights, I can enter into a fully legal, government-blessed marriage with a foreign woman I have never met solely for the purpose of circumventing immigration laws, but the government refuses to recognize legitimately formed relationships? Protection of marriage my goddamn ass!

]]> StopTheMadness http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064259 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064259 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:30:04 -0800 Comment by umvue So, the gay marriage thing is really just a plot to get those foreign queers to identify themselves and provide a reason to get shipped out of the country. Very, very clever.

@5 No. You can't. I think the government gets a little nosy when citizenship is involved.

]]> umvue http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064270 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064270 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:38:41 -0800 Comment by Ursula @5: Not exactly; in the last ten years the US has gotten a lot tougher on fiancee and spousal visas and punishments for fraud are fairly severe. You could still do it, but you'd be risking denial and/or civil and criminal penalties.

That said, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone; the CA decision was based on the CA state constitution, so it has no ramifications for federal recognition of those marriages. As long as the Federal Government doesn't have to recognize same-sex marriages, it doesn't have to give same-sex partners visas or green cards based on those marriages.

(Honestly, as recently as the '80s homosexuality was grounds for denying someone their green card and deporting them, and being HIV-positive is still grounds for removal. Our immigration law is NOT progressive.)

]]> Ursula http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064287 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064287 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:57:24 -0800 Comment by keshmeshi OK, the guy has a French boyfriend/fiance and the right to live in France, but he wants to come back here? Insanity.

]]> keshmeshi http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064335 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064335 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:47:40 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Get married in Canada and sue for your rights under NAFTA.

Problem solved.

But, yeah, why wouldn't you choose France instead - an EU passport is gold!

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064357 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064357 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:04:08 -0800 Comment by Ellen Immigration Equality, one of the organizations mentioned in the Reuters article linked to, is trying to get a bill passed in Congress that would let same-sex couples sponsor each other for immigration -- it's called the Uniting American Families Act and you can learn more here: http://immigrationequality.org/template.php?pageid=49

]]> Ellen http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064381 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1064381 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:23:29 -0800 Comment by StopTheMadness 6 and 7: Actually, yes I can. I went through the process (for my legitimate marriage), and it wasn't that tough. Just paperwork, patience and some cash. If one were so inclined, it wouldn't be too difficult to supply the "proof" the CIS requested to show that we had entered the relationship in good faith. It's not that hard to open a sham bank account, sign a lease "together," and get a few buddies to sign some affidavits. When they interviewed us, they were more concerned about drug use and communist sympathies than the legitimacy of our relationship.

]]> StopTheMadness http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1065101 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1065101 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:00:39 -0800 Comment by StopTheMadness ...though I will concede I may have been given some preferential treatment because I am in the military.

]]> StopTheMadness http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1065102 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/savage_love_letter_of_the_day_30#c1065102 Savage Love Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:03:56 -0800