Slog - Comments on re: There Better Not Be Any Tobacco in That Joint, Kid… http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th Adapted from Toward a Global View of Alcohol, Tobacco, Cannabis, and Cocaine Use: Findings from the WHO World Mental Health Surveys in PLoS Medicine. More graphs and analysis at the Dear Science blog.... Copyright 2008 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:15:44 -0800 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:40:06 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Bob Could you please run "Percentage who bought a bag of weed from these two dudes with a pitbull named Diesel"?

]]> Bob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1063998 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1063998 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:39:13 -0800 Comment by Justin Damnit, Jonathan, we need analysis!

]]> Justin http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064008 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064008 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:47:39 -0800 Comment by must be wrong The graphs must be wrong. Ever been to France? 95% of the people who live there smoke.

]]> must be wrong http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064013 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064013 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:53:58 -0800 Comment by umvue Analysis schmalysis - we're number one!

]]> umvue http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064018 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064018 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:58:33 -0800 Comment by Dougsf The data should reflect those who are tobacco or cannabis users, not those who a "ever used".

]]> Dougsf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064035 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064035 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:18:33 -0800 Comment by Dougsf If anyone's curious, a quick search pulled up the greatest number of smokers per capita, per country. Actually, this might be based on actual cigarette consumption per capita, but the conclusions should be similar given the nature of the addiction.

Here's how the top 10 fared:
1. Greece
2. Macedonia
3. Russia
4. Czech Republic
5. Slovenia
6. Spain
7. Japan
8. Ukraine
9. Bulgaria
10.Moldovia

Cannabis use stats by country were harder to find, but best i could do was:
#1 New Zealand
#2 Australia
#3 United States
#4 United Kingdom
#5 Switzerland
#6 Ireland
#7 Spain
#8 Canada
#9 Netherlands
#10 Belgium

Unless of course the assignment was to see if we would argue about data that is completely detached from analysis, in which case I fail, or pass, depending on what was supposed to happen.

]]> Dougsf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064038 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064038 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:31:27 -0800 Comment by Yvonne @ Dougsf

Where did you pull that data from?

]]> Yvonne http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064059 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064059 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:05:32 -0800 Comment by umvue I meant HERE...

I KNEW I'd seen these graphs somewhere before. Similar information was previously published

here.

]]> umvue http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064066 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064066 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:18:54 -0800 Comment by chet @8 outass?

]]> chet http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064085 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064085 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:03:22 -0800 Comment by Canuckibas I seem to remember seeing lists that put Canada at the top, ahead of the US and the Netherlands. Ah, here it is:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/07/09/canada-cannabis.html

..think the difference here is regular usage vs. "tried it". In regular usage Canada leads the industrialized world. Yeah Canada! (notice hard drug usage is average or below average--um...so much for "gateways".

Proud of the home country...

]]> Canuckibas http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064091 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064091 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:27:47 -0800 Comment by kinaidos How can the number in France be so low, every young person in Paris seems to use hash. It's almost as easy to find as a baguette Ta guele.

]]> kinaidos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064093 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064093 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:47:18 -0800 Comment by maxsolomon@home less than 10% of mexicans have smoked weed?

BULL. SHIT.

]]> maxsolomon@home http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064098 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064098 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:03:27 -0800 Comment by Jonathan Golob Justin,

A half-assed analysis is on my blog, with additional graphs. I'm still mulling over what I think of this study's methology and will update that post to something more involved when I've made up my mind.

]]> Jonathan Golob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064105 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064105 Drugs Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:46:29 -0800 Comment by NaFun Just FYI, the datestamps on the posts on Dear Science show 2007, not 2008. :) Otherwise, great piece! Thanks for showing us the data!

]]> NaFun http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064178 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064178 Drugs Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:20:14 -0800 Comment by Jonathan Golob NaFun--

Ha! I found out why: The year function in the Wordpress template I'm using was, "return 2007".

Heh. I corrected it.

]]> Jonathan Golob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064197 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064197 Drugs Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:25:56 -0800 Comment by Dougsf #7 - here's the cannabis use stats:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lif_can_use-lifestyle-cannabis-use

I'd imagine it's hard to accurately account for per capita use of an illegal substance, but it's the only link I could find online that didn't seem to have an obvious agenda (DEA, NORML, or the millions of High Times-y websites).

The tobacco facts were from marketing data, and I'd have to intuitively agree with those.

]]> Dougsf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064507 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064507 Drugs Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:40:18 -0800 Comment by Stinky Wow, China is totally winnning the war on drugs.

]]> Stinky http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064745 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/07/re_there_better_not_be_any_tobacco_in_th#c1064745 Drugs Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:40:06 -0800