Probably so she wouldn't look like this: http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/15/andrea_dworkin_narrowweb__200x266.jpg

I'm going to pee sitting down from now on!

You could cut the snark in here with a, uh. . . some sort of a snark-cutting device.

I have thrown out all my porn (even that made by Candida Royale), and will no longer masturbate. If I see a woman walking towards me on the street, I will avert my gaze upward, lest I be a visual rapist and check out her breasts and/or ass as she walks by me.

Finally, the only sports I will watch is Olympic ice skating and gymnastics, and instead of quoting movies like CADDYSHACK and MAJOR LEAGUE, I will now quote STICK IT and THELMA AND LOUISE.

I hope and pray my male bretheren will join my in my quest to totally respect women.

For the record, I do think its cool although I was a solid Obama supporter all along based on other reasons. NOW and NARAL gave him good scores, he has said he wants to appoint justices in the mode of Stevens, Ginsburg, and Breyer, and that was good enough for me, my reasons to preferring him to Clinton or Edwards never hinged on womens' issues.

The problem lies with the fact that, after belching so much vitriol into the air about him, it's hard to take seriously a post where she suddenly anoints him "feminist," which, as well know, is to ECB what The Order of Lenin was to a Brezhnev.

And the reasons she cites are suspiciously ironic so as to lead me, a gentle reader, to the conclusion that she thinks the whole thing is ridiculous and she wanted to snark about it.

And, on top of it, ECB's post was poorly enough written that none of us can really be sure we got her point. Gabe, if ECB wants to say nice things about Obama -- and mean them -- I'm not going to give her any crap.

Carry on.

"And that, ladies and gentlemen, is pretty fucking cool." Jesus H. Motherfucking CHRIST on a goddamn POGO stick - what are you, ELEVEN years old?

Also, I too am unsure whether ECB is being sarcastic or sincere. Erica, do you plan on revealing the truth? Or are you (as I suspect) just kicking back & enjoying all the speculation?

Don't bother being nice now. It's cheap, flimsy, transparent. Positive ECB Obama posts sound like fingernails scraping a chalkboard.

Go back to hating Zipcar and plastic bags and please please please just leave Obama alone. You've done enough already. Thank you.

Fuck it, Jubilation I owe you a drink and you owe me a girl, okay?

ECB has the right change her opinionated point of view. So do you. So do I.

Where's that Bridge I baught? I'm gonna make a rope swing.

woo-hoo he gave someone Our Bodies Our Selves.

Like that equates to being a leader, or organnizer, or achieving anything politically for women?

Y'all are bought so easily.

And oh:
reporting facts pro con isn't being a hater.

"Belching vitriol" in the form of criticism or reportage or setting forth an opinion that is not kool aid gulping about the God Obama isn't being a hater.

Being sarcastic, if ECB was, isn't being a hater.

Being straight, if ECB was, and really thinks this is cool, isn't being a hater.

I wish some of these Obama folks would get to a point where it is okay with them to say something about him other than woo-hoo, woo-hoo, see how great he is, you cn sound like little children worshipping Spider Man.

My opinion: um, it's nice his sister vouches for him. But not a big deal. He hasn't done much he ever talks about about feminism. MAinly, he's called black dads out on being AWOL. That is about 100,000 more "cool" than the fact he was a good brother. He was a community organizer who gave it up because he was frustrated he couldn't get anything done and in his own words had not accomplished much.

Now we allhave high hopes we will (a) win (b) win big (c) win with like 60+ Democratic senators do (d) he magically turns into an executive that is as great as FDR or Lincoln, although there's absolutely nothing in his experienc eor background to date showing greatness other than rising fast in politics thru having a "good back story" an (e)that he actually brings about huge changes. Even though to date in his career, he hasn't.

So yes it is cool he gave a copy of Our Bodies Our Selves. But it's silly to venerate him for it.

Especially when he basically said in the campaign that HRC had ddone nothign her whole life and was running on the fact she was married to Bill when this was untrue and was fairly sexist (typical: diminishing women's role when they are married to someone more powerful) and in fact (a) she helped start Children's Defense Fiund (Obama never accomplished anythign like that (b) she was a political partner in ARkansas and helped him reform education (Obama: no accomplishment like that (c) she was political aprtner and advisor to Bill helped elect a D twice the only time in our lifetimes (Obama: never accomplished anything like that) (d) she helped strategize and fend off the right wing attacks to impeach Bill (Obama doesn't even cite one single fucking law case he ever worked on, he apparently has no accomplishments as a lawyer) and (e) she went into a new state and impressed them so much she blew away the Republican twice with huge majorities both times including doing great in upstate New York (Obama: he sort of did that once, in Ill. Congrats to him).

So on the whole the thesis that her career was worth nothing was false and sexist so on balance, I wouldn't be saying he's such a hot feminist leader, he is pretty good for sure like all liberal dems but at bottom he'll make an antifeminist argument when it suits his political needs.

So venerating + adulating etc. based on endorsement from the candidate's own sister = stupidity.

Pls. make a note of it.

If you expect people to note and give a shit what you have to say, how about boiling down your brilliant posts to under 500 words?

My proofreading sucks.

"War may be bad for children and other living things, but there are times when peace is worse for children and other living things, and this is one of those times."

"In the meantime, invading and rebuilding Iraq will not only free the Iraqi people, it will also make the Saudis aware of the consequences they face if they continue to oppress their own people while exporting terrorism and terrorists. The War on Iraq will make it clear to our friends and enemies in the Middle East (and elsewhere) that we mean business: Free your people, reform your societies, liberalize, and democratize... or we're going to come over there, remove you from power, free your people, and reform your societies for ourselves."

*I don't want to sing "Kumbaya" and I won't.

You are? In an ECB comment thread? I'm with Big Sven.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is pretty fucking cool.

It doesn't get much less ambiguous than that.

I'm well aware of ECB's track record, and granted, she's largely brought the hating on herself.  That's no excuse for hating on her for always zagging, and then hating on her more more when she finally zigs.

This was a simple, sincere, and frankly brave post, and all y'all who are so blinded by ECB hate that you can't see that, you have become exactly what you loathe.

I was certain she was being sarcastic. But, as I said in my post, if she was not being sarcastic, then I'm not going to crucify her for zigging.