Slog - Comments on Worth Remembering http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering For those of us who grew up in the decades after Roe v. Wade, the right to a safe, legal abortion is as easy to take for granted as our right to buy condoms or get treated for STDs. But for decades, the only recourse for pregnant women and girls was to carry the baby to term--often a ruinous decision, for obvious reasons--or to seek (or give oneself) an illegal abortion. In today's NYT, Dr. Waldo Fielding--a gynecologist from the time before Roe v. Wade gave women the right to choose--writes about his experience caring for women who had illegal... Copyright 2008 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:54:44 -0800 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:02:19 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by NapoleonXIV Thanks, ECB.

You just made me feel queasy in a way Chelsea Something-Something never could.

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039137 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039137 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:04:11 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave ECB's first pro obama post that also renounces self righteous feminist voting idiocy.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039140 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039140 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:04:34 -0800 Comment by arduous AMAZING post ECB. We women who were born post-Roe often take our rights for granted. May we never go back to a world of back alley abortions, where doctors are unable to treat patients in a proper manner.

Again, thank you for this post.

]]> arduous http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039146 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039146 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:08:55 -0800 Comment by Dougsf Anyone who opposes keeping abortion legal is either a hypocrite, or shares a stoneage view of modern medicine with the Christian Scientists.

]]> Dougsf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039148 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039148 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:09:28 -0800 Comment by JC Now tell that to the rabid army of Clinton supporters screaming about how they're all voting for McCain this November:

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/03/163233

]]> JC http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039156 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039156 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:14:35 -0800 Comment by Heather The "right to life" movement is disingenuous. Their latest project is to oppose birth control which is the best way to prevent the need for an abortion. I do not take the pope at his word when he says it is about life. It is about control. And we need to take more of it away from them.

]]> Heather http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039170 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039170 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:21:49 -0800 Comment by elenchos See? When you're right, the story tells itself. No jumping of any sharks needed. I always knew you had it in you, Erica.

Plus, Obama's other car is a 100% rating from NARAL. Just thought I'd add that fact to your excellent post.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039173 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039173 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:23:08 -0800 Comment by cochise. @5 this was the best logic of your link:

"Free speech and free press is protected in the Constitution but as long as it is fair and objective. Nothing about the media during the primaries has been fair OR objective."

]]> cochise. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039182 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039182 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:27:43 -0800 Comment by Ummm.... hello? Sorry, but I'd say the biggest hypocrites are the abortion-lovers. These women were trying to murder their children. And you're upset they hurt themselves in the process? Generally, I'd say anyone who is trying to murder an innocent child, deserves what she gets. No one is forcing any woman to have an abortion, so feeling pity for these women who hurt themselves doing so is a bit disingenuous.

]]> Ummm.... hello? http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039190 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039190 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:31:42 -0800 Comment by konstantconsumer ugh. i read that on jezebel.com today, and it turned my stomach. what a horrible thought.

remember "dirty dancing" people!

]]> konstantconsumer http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039205 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039205 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:38:29 -0800 Comment by elenchos @9

Artless troll.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039208 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039208 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:39:40 -0800 Comment by Soupytwist @9 - A fetus is not a child.

]]> Soupytwist http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039215 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039215 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:43:01 -0800 Comment by konstantconsumer everyone, please do not feed the troll.

]]> konstantconsumer http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039219 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039219 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:46:11 -0800 Comment by medicineman It really doesn't matter who you prefer as a presidential candidate.

If you object to your personal liberties being treated as tools to deflect attention from the perilous condition of the country, then you are and have ever been on the same side.

If you would rather be righting the ship of state than freaking out about minorities and gays, then you are on the same side.

If you don't think that a candidate's clothes, makeup, tone of voice, or accessories are the primary indications of leadership ability, then you are on the same side.

It also doesn't matter what party you think you belong to, or how much you may have disagreed with one another in the past -- just take back your government.

]]> medicineman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039222 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039222 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:46:58 -0800 Comment by Trevor Here is a good way to remember the significance of Roe:

http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/6507.php

]]> Trevor http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039227 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039227 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:51:55 -0800 Comment by Mary BLASPHEMY ALERT!!

to quote Pat Condell "the world might be a better place if 2000 years ago Mary had the right to choose"

I have taken the decision that ther are no consequences for quoting this.

]]> Mary http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039240 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039240 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:00:37 -0800 Comment by Catalina Vel-DuRay When I was in high school (which was most definitely post Roe vs Wade) I remember a girl who was pregnant who would do sprints every day, hoping to miscarry. And another girl who had her boyfriend punch her in the stomach, hoping to lose her baby. These were "Good Christian Girls" at an upper middle class high school in a small city in Iowa.

Abortion has been around since the first woman got pregnant, and it will be around until the last woman has given birth. All outlawing it would do would clean up the statistics, which is perfectly acceptable for most consrvatives, since they tend to live lives of hypocrisy and secrets anyway.

]]> Catalina Vel-DuRay http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039244 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039244 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:04:38 -0800 Comment by Wolf I'm taking the advice of #13, although there's plenty to be said. I can pretty much keep a lid on it when I feel like I need to.

]]> Wolf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039272 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039272 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:31:36 -0800 Comment by bob The interesting thing about the Clinton blog posting above isn't just how rabid and pro-McCain they are (a lot are saying "It's either Clinton or McCain"), but how many keep bringing up the fact that she was "treated badly" as a reason to vote for her.

Seriously, it's comes up again and again, everyone (the DNC, the press, Obama) is treating her badly therefore we must vote for her. She's got the victim vote locked up solid!

And frankly the cult of personality on that blog is miles above anything I've seen with Obama fans.

]]> bob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039282 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039282 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:43:20 -0800 Comment by Non @10, i love you.

]]> Non http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039298 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039298 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:54:47 -0800 Comment by Y.F. If McCain wins the election, I'm straight north to Canada. If you've got any sense at all you'll do the same thing. If you haven't got any sense, I suggest you plant some rue in your garden. There's going to be some ladies who're going to need it.

]]> Y.F. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039300 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039300 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:57:12 -0800 Comment by DRF Here's a thought... If Roe were overturned, there would be a couple of coathangers, but it would be more about an underground market in RU-486 like they have in Nicaragua.

You know what else would happen? Doctors would begin avoiding, passing the buck on and all-out refusing to treat women with uterine bleeding for fear of being charged with having performed an abortion--no matter what caused the bleeding in the first place.

The bad old days wouldn't come back, but the bad new days wouldn't be better.

]]> DRF http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039396 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039396 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:29:00 -0800 Comment by Hernandez Great post, ECB! Lest we ever forget what happens if the "pro-lifers" achieve their goals...

]]> Hernandez http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039413 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039413 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:46:40 -0800 Comment by bob If Roe were overturned it would immediately become a state issue. Progressives states would probably see no change, people living in the south and midwest would be screwed.

Although I hate to wonder long-term would the impact would be. Just as with Iraq, a lot of people were pretty rah-rah about it until it started impacting them.

]]> bob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039426 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1039426 The Ladies Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:00:54 -0800 Comment by Vince The rest of the world moves forward and Republican'ts keep trying to move us backward. Religion is the enemy of freedom. Always has been. Always will be.

]]> Vince http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1040220 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1040220 The Ladies Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:04:06 -0800 Comment by Colin Let's also not forget that Roe V. Wade is not just about abortion. That is the part that gets the most press but the wider issue covered in that ruling is that women's bodies are their own and they have the right to make their own health care decisions about them. Overturn Roe V. Wade and go back to the days when women had to talk to their husband before going to the doctor.

]]> Colin http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1040321 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/worth_remembering#c1040321 The Ladies Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:02:19 -0800