the is the first archetecture post that made me go *oooooooooooooou*
That looks like some brick there in the 1st pic, so that's good. Smoked gray, please.
I'm sick of glass exoskeletons. They aren't the bees knees of architecture. Oh how I miss concrete.
Unrelated--I generally steer clear from 3rd-1st for reasons mentioned nowhere in this post.
This looks like a building that Cloverfield has almost, but not quite, toppled over. WIll it have a hot trust fund girl somewhere near the top who needs saving?
considering the number of renderings that have been released for this lot, expect the final product to look much different- if it gets built at all.
A large hypodermic needle shaped structure would be more in tune with the location.
(1) I kinda like the general look of the building.
(2) I know we are all supposed to hate cars, but reality dictates that at least some of the condo residents and hotel guests will have cars. It needs to have a parking garage of some sort. There needs to be a parking ramp somewhere. Where do you suggest they put it?
(3) I've never understood the whole concept of mixing a hotel/condo. I'm quite content with condo living, but can't think of a single reason I'd want to live in a condo that was half-hotel. Anyone know why this has become more popular in recent years?
And, hey, has anyone ever tried to shoot up with the tip of the space needle?
Broken record time: what's happening at the street? The giant ice cubes are cute from a mile away, but ultimately the only thing that matters is the street frontage. From the pic it looks like it angles away from the corner to form a plaze. BAD, BAD, BAD. That corner is passed by thousands of pedestrians a day; the architect and developer OWE IT TO THEM to be an amenity, not an oppressive device.
I wish that developers and the architects they hire would prioritize the physical context of a building ahead of its stand-alone functionality or how it rates as a work of abstract sculpture. Buildings that look pretty at a distance--if you even go for the all-glass look, which I don't--are worthless if they drive people away at street level.
Yeah, it's better than a parking lot. But really, we should be way past the point where that's our standard of acceptable urban design.
I second Fnarf. Furthermore, the proposed building is freaking ugly - it looks like a few shoeboxes stacked on each other. Yuck. Seattlites should strive for something that looks less Darth Vaderish.
@6 Because the condo owners get the services of the hotel, they can sign up for housekeeping services, use the conceirge, and I think in some cases they can even get room service. Plus I think there are people who will check in on the condo while the owners are away.
Me, I'd never go for it. Towering Inferno made way too big an impression on me.
build it now. stop fucking around.
just make sure it has rain canopies for the dealers & users. wouldn't want them to get wet.
and to the homeless person who took a giant shit on the pike place market hillclimb this morning outside the exit door of my garage: there's an automatic toilet 100 yards from where you had your nasty ass blowout.
I'm sorry, I didn't read the second page of the story when I commented. Sounds like some people have noticed the same thing I did.
The parking garage and delivery access problems they're describing are called "traffic" and are not inimical to city life. Blank walls on one of the most important blocks in the city ARE. They should be told "we're not even going to look at this until you fix it -- sidewalk access to retail on all sides, and preferably second-floor retail as well".
My thoughts exactly.
Nope, sorry. I would prefer a parking lot to a structure that has such minimal interaction with the street level.
Back to the drawing board, folks! We know you can do better than this.
For folks worried about interaction with the street, this will only cause more alarm:
The ground floor facing Second Avenue, under the current proposal, is partially masked by nine-foot-deep shrubs between the sidewalk and the windows, violating a design guideline for "transparency." Several of the windows look in only a few feet on another wall, rather than a lobby or business. According the design board’s Wilmot Gilland, the entrances seemed too narrow “should be wider.” But in the end, the design board seemed mostly satisfied with the plan, which prompted city planer Jess Harris to clarify: “Are you supporting this concept—a departure from transparency?”
“I think it’s a good concept… I’m concerned about the lack of transparency,” replied Matt Allert, a member of the design review board, who noted, “I want to see what they do with it.”
Sorry, max, that was me outside your garage. Last night's shelter dinner banged on the door loud and clear this morning. Hung around that auto-toilet waiting for it to be vacant, but when my innards got out of hand I had to duckwalk as fast and as far as I could to find somewhere else. Didn't make it far enough. By the time it was all over I was too embarrassed to ask for help cleaning the hideous mess, so pulled up my hoodie and ran. Hope your car tires cleaned up okay, sir.
Dominic. What was demolished to make way for the vacant lot parking lot years ago? Check the county archive at Bellevue Community College to see if perhaps this hole wasn't an accident, but part of a fucked up urban renewal scheme decades ago, now replaced by a new urban renewal scheme...
Strangely I agree with Fnarf @8.
Very bad idea, sadly.
#8 and #19. it looks from the plan that the building does not flee, but rather holds the corner.
Yes, you're right. I wrote that before seeing the plan. My bad.
But if there's no retail, it's still a total fail.
Yeah, the design board needs to push to get some businesses in there. It's across from, what? The Turf? Just about anything could go in that spot and thrive, as long as it's not another drug store. Big expanses of windows would also be nice.
dominic, if this hideous edifice is ever built, i shall personally treat you to dinner at whatever overpriced restaurant situated in same structure. and then we'll make fun of the rich yuppies.
In the first picture, the corner window on the white building with the peaked roof above it is my office window. This building would unfortunately block my spectacularly complete views of the Washington Mutual Tower and WaMu Center.
Slightly off topic: does anyone else think the OPUS building going up on Second (shown partially complete here) is the ugliest thing ever? There is absolutely no rhyme or reason to the design of the white elements. I realize they're going for a Two Union square thing, but Jesus. The pattern of the multicolored glass makes no sense either. That and it's covered by these ugly tiny white dots. I seriously hope they're not finished with the outside, because god damn it's terrible.
There should should have been a [/whine] tag after that gratuitous complaining in the first paragraph there.
Why is the open parking lot on that corner any more egregious than the Turf restaurant and above grade parking lot on the corner directly across the street?
#26, or the run-down, vacant piece of crap across 2nd from Turf. The only thing that corner really has going for it is the condos on the southwest corner, and even those are blah. I've noticed that while the retail space is leased, what seems to be office space directly above it has been vacant for quite awhile.
I've been beat to it, but...
Pretty, ridiculously transparent-looking renderings + iffy relationship to the street = FAIL
It's got a nice shape, but that's all.
w7ngman @ 24 - want to know why the OPUS building looks like a piece of cheap crap?
Two words: Weber+Thompson.
I rest my case.
I don't know.
and it'll be sooooo convenient to the Turf Restaurant; fine meals, congenial dinner companions AND you can pay your utility bills there!!!
I love the saturated blue on 1521! (Opus) Beautiful building.
This building is really shaping up nicely. As has been said here, it would be a total waste if it didn't provide enough street level retail. This is the wrong place to skimp on that.
I like the green in the second rendering. Seattle needs more green glass, like 333 West Wacker Drive in Chicago.
I want to meet whoever designed the outside and hear their reasoning and/or smack them upside the head.
That was Re: the OPUS building.
A simple solution for pedestrian amenity/interface -- establish Mr. Poe in a small storefront, seat him behind a counter, post a sign outside saying "Psychiatric Help 5¢ -- The Doctor is In" and throw open the door.
A city heals...
@35 - I think he charges $5 ...
That used to be our secret Showbox parking lot, but since we moved to the city, fuck it. That building looks cool, but I'd like to see street-level retail that's actually something people would like-- less smoke shops and snotty galleries, more....?
And hotel-condos are SO Bellevue.
I say someone with DPD should take a black marker in the manner of so many embittered old guard fashion designers and slash through the parts of the plan pertaining to the street level in front of every major designer in the city.
"NO, YOU CANNOT HAVE IT LIKE THIS. DO IT OVER."
Floors 3-(whatever) are great, though.
#2...where are you seeing brick? Looks like another glass wall to me... I'm not opposed to glass, but I agree that seeing some different shades would be appealing. Just don't replicate the Olive 8 cheesy ass pipework design. I thought I'd like that building, but now each time I pass it I cringe. FUGLY!
I think it looks good. Like the New Museum in Manhattan but taller. And, wait, why does a parking ramp need to take up an ENTIRE street front? Im confused.
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