Comments on Waiting for a Sign (Or: Things to Do in Denver When Your Candidate's Nomination Hopes are Dead)

If Obama was even considering making Hillary VP, he would have given Patti Solis Doyle some other job. Any job. Not VP chief of staff. It's called a hint.

I thought a lot of those delegate types were hoping for careers in politics. Why would they offend the next president for the sake of the junior Senator from New York? Some day she'll become the senior Senator from New York, but those coat tails don't help a minor pol from WA.

(I'm glad I'm not the guy who misquoted Macbeth like Pelz. Cringe.)

That's a weird way of writing "sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I'am? Ugh...

Get over it, people. I was fiercely pro-HRC and she didn't win. I'm now for Obama, and the "what ifs" and the "but...but...but!" aspect of these HRC die-hards strike me as ridiculous.

Nothing underscores the "me"-centric aspect of this country more than listening to some "offended" HRC supporter go off about how Hillz, or they, were so incredibly disrespected that they simply cannot vote for Obama or, even more sublime, are going to vote for McCain.

Well, I hope these morons feel better the morning after the election when the R's have won and the Supreme Court is a dead kitty in a pit bull's jaws, outside a snowy Chicago project.

Get the fuck over it and vote D, people. It's for the greater good -- or don't any of these hambones remember that concept?

Even aside from the appalling grammar and Snopesworthy preciousness, "Mr. Nobody"'s letter is basically negated by the use of Comic Sans MS.

catch-up?

@4...not just comic sans, but CURLZ MT is in there too. sick.

@4: it was the first thing I noticed about his letter, which is why I didn't bother reading it.

pushing a wheelbarrow across a 2-lane road doesn't sound that hard, mr. nobody.

if HRC delegates want to vote for her on the 1st ballot & switch to BHO on the second, BFD.

This is why I don't get how Obama supporters somehow came to be labeled the cult members.

As an African American, I'd love to sit down and talk with Mr. "Nobody" Wells. He is bitter, but needs to move on. ...And why did he put an apostrophe s after Tacoma?

Who cares what those deadenders want?

They lost.

Get over it. Or get ready for Mr Three Wars At The Same Time, Triple Budget Deficit, Triple Trade Deficit, Triple Tax Cuts For The Ultra-Rich President "Dementia" McCain.

WiS @11:

Did you come up with that "deadender" thing all by yourself? Because you seem inordinately proud of it.

COMIC SANS! He IS a nobody.

The horror! Comic Sans AND Curlz? Yikes!

imagine the uproar if someone misquoted shakespeare using comic sans.

Great points, Marvin Wells! And I have it on good authority that neo-Marxist Michelle Obama’s gonna offer us honkeys an ultimatum to join the Symbionese Liberation Army, the Next Generation, prior to Denver.

It’s only those whiteys that refuse who are gonna be mowed down AK-47 Commando-style or forced to eat grenade sandwiches.

A forwarded chain e-mail told me so!

Paul Berendt can die in a fire.

I just can't let it go. I still visit reclusiveleftist.com. I really don't understand what beef is. In addition to the misogyny* they seemt to think that McCain more closely approximates their political views. I though the idea was that Clinton was more populist than Obama (c.f. elitism and health care) but apparently now some of the deadenders think he's too liberal.

Presumably they've just decided to spew the toxins in their new republican environment. Still it's bizarre to see a bunch of feminists spit the world liberal.

* Apparently among his other sins he's completely linked to Randi Rhodes who called Clinton a "fucking whore". That's pretty rotten but I haven't been able to ascertain the connection between here and Obama. Despite what Violet Socks thinks that just doesn't seem like the sort of thing Obama would get behind.

Ugh!

I obviously couldn't be everywhere at all times this past weekend, so maybe the Clintonites were mistreated by some Obama supporters.

On the other hand, I heard no biases from the Convention speeches. I also heard Sen. Kohl-Welles talk about plans to have Obama speak on a conference call to many of the female Clinton supporters, and more than one Obama delegate who said s/he was spending time during the weekend speaking specifically with Clinton delegates about how they felt and what they needed to hear from Obama supporters and/or the campaign to bring them into unity.

As for Wells, he was invited up to speak during the Sunday morning breakfast by Pelz... and my thought was how unsurprised I am that a person who voted for Reagan might have problems supporting Obama. I'm not saying Wells shouldn't be welcomed into the Democratic Party fold, or that he can't be convinced to vote for Obama. But it's not a stretch to imagine there's some emotional distance to travel there...

The reclusive leftist people are sad and delusional. Ignore them. I mean, when you get to the place where Michelle is the wife who gets treated like shit not Hillary, you're clearly out of your When you get to the place.

Paul Berendt can die in a fire.

Pelz could have used kinder Shakespeare quotes, verily.

Maybe "What's gone and what's past help should be past grief"?

Eli, are you seriously suggesting that those delegates who prefer Clinton should hide their preference and vote instead for the winning candidate in the interest of "party unity"?! Isn't that a bit... Maoist?

The votes will be counted in Denver and Obama will win, but that's not enough for you. He must be seen to enjoy the unanimous adulation of every delegate. Isn't that a bit... Stalinist?

If it becomes clear that your prefered candidate will not win in November, will you be voting for the winning candidate in order to show national unity?

We'll re-defeat NO-Bama in November!!!

How selfish for people to think that elections are just about them? This is a sickness. If you can't play in the grown-up world of politics maybe its time for them to get out. Just sit home and wait for the next 4 years because it seems that if you paid attention on a day-to-day basis you'd realize it really is not all about YOU.

David Wright, when I think about how the Republicans will ask all those Romney and Guliani and Paul delegates to line up behind McCain, it seems so... Maoist.

it seems so... Maoist.

it seems so... Maoist!!

Shit. When I do it, there's no thunder right on Maoist. What's the HTML to turn on the naturalistic fallacy?

Anyway, David, the difference is that the delegates have already been counted and the outcome is known. The vote will help send a message of unity and that's worth something. here is nothing to gain for Democrats by having all those delegates vote for Hillary except; it helps the Republicans if Obama is seen to lack a strong mandate. (Which is why you want them to do it!) Comparing it to the November election is nonsense because the outcome of that is not known, and because no Democrat wants a Republican president to have a strong mandate, or vice versa.

The difference is that Hillary has more delegates than Teddy Kennedy did when he got his first ballot symbolic roll call in 1980, or Gary Hart in 1984, or Jesse Jackson in 1988, or Brown, Tsongas and Casey combined in 1992 ... and ten times as many as Howard Dean brought to convention in 2004.

Contrary to popular belief, the mother's milk of politics isn't money. It's recognition,, and Obama's "new rules" are the blueprint for a mug's game.

Part of me can't wait until these retards go play sour grapes with their country and vote McCain because ZOMG their substanceless and reactive gender supremacism didn't prevail.

Because then people will quit bitching at my fellow hardcore progressives who voted Nader in 2000. Would-be Dems voting Nader in 2000 at least voted for a candidate who represented what they believed in, not simply for someone who wasn't the front-runner. Nobody who voted Nader -- and nobody who *didn't* vote Nader, for that matter -- expected Gore would lose as a result.

Dems voting McCain in 2008 are just bitchy, vengeful, reckless fucktards. They will make Nader 2000 voters look like people who chose a midsize over a compact in comparison.

Nah, we'll still hate the Naderites for allowing the USSC to pretend that Bush won in 2000, @28.

I saw no evidence of Clinton delegates being disrespected or treated as "invisible" at the convention. Not sure where that's coming from.

Many of the major speakers spoke about getting together behind Obama to defeat McCain, including long-time Hillary supporters like Murray and Cantwell. Most of those speakers at least had a few words to say about Clinton's contributions as well. The balance seemed fair and appropriate.

I'm surprised that the Lyndon LaRouche crazies haven't gotten mentioned anywhere. They were masquerading as Clinton supporters, and spouting off their conspiracies about the British Empire via George Soros destroying us, buying Obama, and causing the sub-prime lending crisis among other things.

Attendee @ 30 -- You saw nothing ... and yet a fellow attendee (who chaired 12 Washington State conventions, and who was the first State Chair to endorse Howard Dean in the previous nominating cycle) observes a recognition deficit.

Hmmm.

The comments made about Clinton at the convention, even though they were from supporters, were passing at best. I think that given the number of people in the state and the country who did I(and are) support her, their anger and disappointment about the current situation, and how important they will be in Nov - it would not have hurt anyone to spend some quality time recognizing Clinton for what she brought to this process - the dialog, the voters, the energy. It was a good race, she was a good candidate, she has influence with this party and with voters that should not be taken for granted.

AND - what kind of a leader is Dwight Pelz for not recognizing that? It's not rocket science. He should not have endorsed early, and he should be doing more to reach out to the Clinton supporters. And as aside, he should be replaced post haste as the party leader.

The rest of Marvin's letter can be found here: http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

I can't take anyone who uses Comic Sans seriously.