Slog - Comments on The Obama Ad Washington & Oregon Aren't Getting

Comment by max solomon

max solomon — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:32:44 -0800

i'm cool with it. BHO has the NW locked.

he's got to convince whitey he's not the antichrist, and we aren't that "whitey", though we're mighty white.

Comment by damnqueerfuck

damnqueerfuck — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:33:41 -0800

'...straight from the Kansas heartland...' Is that a coded hint on VP choice?

Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball

Jubilation T. Cornball — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:42:00 -0800

The close on that ad is genius shit.

Comment by Chris

Chris — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:48:18 -0800

No need to run ads in a state where he's been up over 20% in every poll since day one.

OR might need some help, but I don't think we'll see much activity from Obama, better to spend money in places he needs to win.

Comment by Gabriel

Gabriel — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:49:14 -0800

I think it's a bit unfair to Obama that the reception to this ad (around the political blogosphere, with people like Matt Y) is that he is unsubtly trying to emphasize his white background. While there's likely some truth to that, the guy should be able to make reference to his own damn mother and grandparents without being told that he's trying to convince us he's white.

Comment by Greg

Greg — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:55:28 -0800

I'm cool with that. If he can carry places like Iowa, Florida, and Indiana because of semi-ignoring Washington, I'm definitely willing to forgive President Obama.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:58:10 -0800

I'm 100% positive Obama's going to take Montana, maybe by a huge margin, as long as he doesn't do anything crazy like murder someone with his bare hands.

Comment by Notecarder

Notecarder — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:58:12 -0800

I was going to compare this with McCain's "get to know me ad" on my blog, but I found this instead... McCain does cribs:

McCain does cribs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylVTBiGh00c

Comment by gross

gross — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:58:56 -0800

if hillary had run that ad you would have crucified her. oh wait, you already did. media bias runs both ways, my friends.

Comment by obama 2008!

obama 2008! — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:05:19 -0800

fnarf, you are an idiot. montana hasn't gone to a dem president in like 60 years. but keep on speaking your ill-informed opinions...

Comment by Andy Niable

Andy Niable — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:07:36 -0800

The candidate who spends the wisest wins.

It's the states where the American Idol-addled idiots still think he's a Muslim Manchurian Candidate where he needs ads as personal as this one to be seen. Washington is not one of those states.

Go for it, Barry, we know ya love us anyway...

Comment by Mike of Renton

Mike of Renton — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:09:16 -0800

@9 If she had won the nomination, few here would have a problem with her running an ad like this.

Comment by David Wright

David Wright — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:11:58 -0800

A damn good ad. He's smart not to run it in Seattle, too. Talking about "values straight from the heartland" and "faith in the country I love" would probably turn off most Seattle voters.

Comment by w7ngman

w7ngman — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:16:38 -0800

#10, you are an idiot. Who cares if it hasn't gone D in 60 years?

Montana, Alaska, and the Dakotas are all within reach. McCain's candidacy hasn't even begun to implode yet, either.

Of course, there is only 12 EVs between them, but whatever.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:17:54 -0800

@10, Montana's got a Democratic governor and two Democratic senators. And they last supported a Democratic candidate for president SIXTEEN years ago, not sixty. That's three elections. Who's an idiot, now?

Comment by karst

karst — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:20:21 -0800

Stop complaining. Not seeing that ad is proof
you don't live in a shithole.

Comment by rtw

rtw — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:21:05 -0800

Hey Fnarf @7 I think you might be right. Montana has a democratic governor and two democratic senators right now. Obama2008! @10, Montana supported Bill Clinton for president in 1992, which kinda makes your comment a little ironic.

Comment by irl

irl — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:24:27 -0800

@1 and @5. . .good points! I totaly agree with ya'.

Comment by clintonsarmy

clintonsarmy — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:34:06 -0800

We'll defeat NO-Bama in November!!!

Comment by w7ngman

w7ngman — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:39:13 -0800

What an insightful point you have there, #19. Better stock up on coat hangers.

Comment by Medina

Medina — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:42:21 -0800

The political process overwhelms a candidate's good intentions.

Between this ad and his flip/flop on public campaign financing, it's clear from Mr. Obama's actions that we are going to get more of the same. He may change what he said he'd do, if it helps him politically. Whatever CHANGE he thought he'd bring has been thoroughly "boiled" out of him through the nomination process.

Yes, he wants to win. Yes, he has to play the game. But it's clear his handlers have trained him. Don't think that he can flip this on and off. Those same handlers will be guiding him if he is elected President. Telling him what he needs to do to win politically.

If it's not his handlers telling him to do this, then he simply mislead us. NO different than Clinton, Bush, or any politician.

Any hope for real change is dead.

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:47:27 -0800

Gee, it's not like he's running 80 percent with massive donation levels around here.

Oh, wait ... he is.

Yeah, this ain't McSame country, that's for darned sure.

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:50:43 -0800

and @7 is right about Montana - that state's locked down too.

Comment by um

um — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:51:48 -0800

im not entirely happy with the welfare to work line.

Comment by douglas

douglas — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:54:40 -0800

as a new yorker i take deep offense at his wall street jab...just kidding...
medina your not wearing all black and writing bad poetry right now are you? 'cause you sound like a regular barrel of monkeys to me...

Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball

Jubilation T. Cornball — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:08:46 -0800

@15 -- Now, now...why go zero sum? You're both idiots, and mommy loves you each in your own special way.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:27:27 -0800

You're not still mad, are you, Jubilation?

Comment by Reverse Polarity

Reverse Polarity — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:36:36 -0800

The ad is fine. During the primaries, a candidate must appeal to the base. But once a primary is over and the general election campaign starts, all candidates run for the center. Duh.

And after the blowout he had here in the primary, it doesn't surprise me he isn't blowing money here on ads when he doesn't need to. Spend it where it might make a difference. November is still 5 months away, people. I'm sure we'll see ads here eventually.

Comment by Smade

Smade — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:57:05 -0800

I don't need Barack to kiss my ass. I need him to win this election. So fucking much. Heigh ho! BO!

Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball

Jubilation T. Cornball — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:27:29 -0800

@27 -- You need to apologize for that song.

Comment by PC

PC — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:54:42 -0800

About time Democrats/progressives said "we stand up for America's values."

What I've liked about Obama is his ability to wrap together the colonists fighting the British, the civil rights workers, the greatest generation fighting the Nazi's etc. into one big American communicty where we all want opportunity for all and stand together.

Those who disdain patriotism/the American flag etc. don't get it.

Comment by PC

PC — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:45:43 -0800

note his background of French doors -- mullions make multiple crosses -- a la Huckabee ad -- nary a crescent to be seen.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:41:10 -0800

@30, I did.

Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball

Jubilation T. Cornball — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:43:18 -0800

@34 -- Where?

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:00:54 -0800

In the original post. I don't know where it is. I can't find it now. I can't even find your burst of fury.

Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball

Jubilation T. Cornball — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:36:42 -0800

Those kids were talented, and innocent, and it was awful. Hate them if you must for being MUFC, but some of those boys could have brought England a World Cup in 62 AND 66!!! And that has to be respected.

I'll shake your hand if you understand that.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:52:47 -0800

Of course I do, Jube. Don't be daft.

For someone who claims to be a fan of English soccer, you don't understand the art of the windup very well, do you? That's the thing about the song; it's not offensive in what it SAYS, because what it says is ridiculous on the face of it. It's offensive because it was written -- not by me, may I point out -- deliberately to piss off Man Utd FANS, NOW. It's not disrespectful of the dead; it's disrespectful of the living.

See how that makes it all better?

Hmm. Let me try again. It's in the same spirit as songs about Posh Spice's cunt, or the reworking of "You'll Never Walk Again" into "You'll Never Work Again" -- "Sign on, sign on, with your pen in your hand...." It's designed to get a reaction. And, goddamn, it does!

So, yeah, I was winding you up, because it's funny to see. I didn't expect you to go off the deep end. And for that I am sorry. For singing it, no, but for pissing you off so much. Even though that's what I was trying to do. Does that make any sense? I was trying to get a rise; I wasn't trying to set your hair on fire. And no, I wasn't disrespecting the loss of life.

But you know, if you really want to hear the song sung loud, don't look at me. Go watch United play City at City of Manchester Stadium.

Comment by Gabriel

Gabriel — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:29:38 -0800

Posh spice is a slapper.

Comment by Jamey

Jamey — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:50:34 -0800

BHO is a superstar. Srsly.