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<title>Slog - Comments on The Latte Smear</title>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear</link>
<description>Check out this ad that GOP incumbent Norm Coleman is running against his Dem challenger Al Franken: ZOMG! Al Franken lived in New York City! And he&apos;s a liberal—which means he drinks them fancy latte things! And like all them liberals Franken likes them really complicated lattes that take ages and ages to order! Do Republican politicians and campaign consultants ever actually go to the heartland they never shut up about? I travel a fair bit and there are Starbucks literally everywhere you go—big towns, small towns, college towns, blue-collar towns. And do you know why that is? Because lattes...</description>
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<title>Comment by Andy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>

<p>In case you haven't noticed, Minnesota is hardly in the "diabetic heartland". It's consistently ranked the <a href="http://www.healthieststate.net/StateRank.aspx" rel="nofollow">healthiest state</a> in the country. Washington is 15th. A majority of the population in the state lives in cities, not in small towns. Minnesota, you may also notice, has some rather liberal policies, like the lack of a death penalty, and marijuana decriminalization (not just "lowest law enforcement priority").</p>

<p>It's also, oddly enough, consistently had a Jewish senator since 1978, a pattern that looks to continue this year.</p>]]></description>
<author>Andy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059718</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059718</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:33:26 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ibaien</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>yah, the ad should really be railing about hipster douchebags who make the barista change the grind on the mill so their ristretto comes out right. </p>

<p>the 'complicated-latte-drinking' smear is about ten years out of date, and should be retired for a newer model.</p>]]></description>
<author>ibaien</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059721</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059721</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:37:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Can't stand the guy. Annoying as fuck. Like me.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059726</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059726</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:38:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by rtw</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Are complicated lattes really ordered more often in small towns than in big cities?  Really?  Any statistics on this?  Not trying to discount the point of the post - the 'complicated latte' jab is mean-spirited and lame, as is the whole ad - but to try to redirect that smear towards people in small towns without citing any backup evidence is maybe a little disingenuous in itself.</p>]]></description>
<author>rtw</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059735</link>
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<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:42:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DanFan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I just saw a Norm Coleman ad on TV that I thought was pretty strange.  It's his wife giving us all of his selling points while he stands in the background (in their kitchen, I guess) drinking coffee.  Then she turns around and asks him to take out the trash.  Huh?  </p>]]></description>
<author>DanFan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059740</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059740</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:46:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mike in MO</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>this reminds me of Bill Maher's New Rule from a few years ago...</p>

<p>(paraphrasing) "New Rule: The longer the latte order, the bigger the asshole."</p>]]></description>
<author>Mike in MO</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059745</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059745</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:56:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by left coast</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I used to live at 88 Riverside Drive - a couple doors down. Best place to live in NYC - no doubt.</p>

<p>Isn't this the same Norm Coleman and Republican Party that used Wellstone's funeral to get themselves elected. Making up wild lies about how despicable it was that the Democrats turned a funeral into a political event. Total fucking douchebags. I love Al Franken. I really hope he wins and can trash the Lofa King, maybe pass something to require Faux News to call itself RNC Broadcasting.</p>]]></description>
<author>left coast</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059746</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059746</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:56:57 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by MnSlogger</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>That whole point that real Minnesotans prefer simpler beverages while ice fishing is so bizarre.</p>

<p>The real ad-controversy here in MN, over the Franken/Coleman campaign, is about this one:</p>

<p><a href="http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2008/06/norm_coleman_ad.php" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2008/06/norm_coleman_ad.php</a></p>]]></description>
<author>MnSlogger</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059749</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059749</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:59:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by lorax</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is that Coleman himself was born in Brooklyn.</p>]]></description>
<author>lorax</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059754</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059754</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:03:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by umvue</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Dan, Dan, Dan.  Have you ever followed politics?  Does it matter where politicians and political consultants have traveled and what the facts are?  Have you ever met people?  I have no trouble picturing someone interrupting their order for a half-caf whatever to rail against the effete elitist latte sipping carpet bagger from NYC.</p>]]></description>
<author>umvue</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059764</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059764</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:15:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Complicated lattes are a city drink, too, where they are preferred by secretaries and cell phone salesmen and nurse's aides. But it is true that in the exurbs and beyond, the number of drive-thru espresso huts is staggering. Not just Starbucks, either, but independent joints with a mile-long trailing line of Ford F-350s and Dodge Rams. <br /><br />
But since holding contradictory points of view is an American pastime, it's quite possible for those F-350 drivers waiting for their iced caramel hazelnut mochas to hate the idea of citified hipsters waiting for their ristrettos or whatever the hell they are. In fact, I'll bet if you surveyed them, they'd most say that "real men drink Yuban black" even as they probe their frappaccinos for the last drop of cinnamon-strawberry sweetness.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059777</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059777</guid>
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<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:24:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by flamingbanjo</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Isn't this the same Norm Coleman who only got into office after his opponent Paul Wellstone, arguably the most consistently liberal member of the Senate, died in a completely accidental, holy-fuck-nobody-could've-seen-that-coming, purely coincidental plane crash weeks before the election that ended up throwing control of the Senate to the Republicans by one seat?  So I guess the unfair smear against Coleman would be that he's an unprincipled ghoul and Bush lapdog who gained power like any good apparatchik: After the seat of his troublemaking predecessor was conveniently vacated due to sudden, unforeseen death. </p>

<p>   It's only now that Coleman has to run against a non-dead opponent (Mondale doesn't count) he's facing the fight of his political career.</p>

<p>See, unfair smears are fun!   Don't get on any planes, Mr. Franken.</p>]]></description>
<author>flamingbanjo</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059778</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059778</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:25:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DanFan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@8 - That's the one I was referring to in #5.  It was such a weird ad, and the only thing I remembered about it afterward was that she asked him to take the trash out.  Was that the point...?</p>]]></description>
<author>DanFan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059781</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059781</guid>
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<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:27:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Carollani</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone else kind of offended by the new McDonald's marketing campaign that talks shit about "snobby coffee drinkers" that's obviously pointed at Starbucks?  Those billboards piss me off.  This is Starbucks territory, back off McDs.</p>]]></description>
<author>Carollani</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059786</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059786</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:28:59 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DanFan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@7 & 12 - People here are still driving around with "What Would Wellstone Do?" (a la What Would Jesus Do?) bumper stickers.  I'm a liberal, but I have to admit that I laughed out loud when I was driving one day and saw a bumper sticker that said "Wellstone is dead.  Move on."  I hope Al Franken knocks Norm Coleman on his ass.  My two cents.  :)</p>]]></description>
<author>DanFan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059790</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059790</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:34:45 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by The Artist Formerly Known As Sigourney Beaver</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Lattes are so yesterday, man.  I don't know what you people up there are drinking, but down here in San Francisco, it's all about the individually brewed drip coffee.  Philz, Bluebottle, that shit'll put some hair on your chest, boyo!</p>]]></description>
<author>The Artist Formerly Known As Sigourney Beaver</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059791</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059791</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:35:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by apttitle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>what's totally absurd about this is that Norm Coleman was born in New York not Minnesota. It wasn't until he went to Law School that he lived in the mid-west. More Republican hypocrisy! </p>]]></description>
<author>apttitle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059795</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059795</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:36:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by greg</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@14 - I so want to take one of those stupid McDonald's ads and edit in really depressing footage of a typical shitty florescent-lit McDonald's with schlumpy people eating out of paper wrappers, over the B section with the voiceover and footage of the drinks. But, alas, I am too lazy.</p>]]></description>
<author>greg</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059799</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059799</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:40:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Non</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that the narrator still pronounced it as <b>care-uh-male</b> rather than carmle (four pumps of...)</p>

<p>He's a softie too!</p>]]></description>
<author>Non</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059809</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059809</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:46:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by MnSlogger</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@13 - I think that point is that Norm is specially interested in HER.</p>

<p></p>

<p>Or in garbage.</p>]]></description>
<author>MnSlogger</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059813</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059813</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:50:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jessica</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@11: The coffee drinks that are essentially 50% syrup, 30% ice, 10% (nonfat) milk and 10% coffee are the exact reason I never get drive-through coffee when in the sticks.  I've tried, but I don't need some overly-tanned failed-cheerleader type giving me a blank look when I say I just. want. a. latte. no. syrup.  I'll suck it up and go to Starbucks.</p>]]></description>
<author>Jessica</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059817</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059817</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:54:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by K</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>But Small Town Americans and other rednecks know fuck all about Neeoo Yoark Sittee, and therefore have no problem imagining it as a land of skinny white liberals wearing hemp pants riding bicycles to sappy, boring indie concerts fueled by frothy tan vagely caffeinated warmed milk drinks.</p>

<p>Alright, don't start. Point is, it's a stereotype, not a rule.</p>

<p>Makes you wonder, though... why they seem to give such an insane fuck about 9-11 -- infinitely more than any NYCer -- if they hate big cities so damned much.</p>]]></description>
<author>K</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059821</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059821</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:56:15 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by keshmeshi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@16,</p>

<p>Exactly.  Elitists drink real coffee or maybe tea.</p>

<p><br />
Oh, what I wouldn't give to see that shit-eating grin wiped off that douchenozzle's face.  Get him, Al.  Get him.</p>]]></description>
<author>keshmeshi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059824</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059824</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:58:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by michael strangeways</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Considering Minneapolis is a very liberal, cosmopolitan city with plenty of latte drinkers, I don't think this lameass ad is going to play very well anywhere but in the smallest Main Streets of Minnesota...</p>]]></description>
<author>michael strangeways</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059832</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059832</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:03:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Big Sven</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It takes a special kind of balls to grow up in NYC, attend elite high schools and colleges there in NY state, get your law degree somewhere else, and then turn around and trash your opponent (who actually spent his childhood and high school years in MN) as an elite east coast intellectual.  Magical balls.<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>Big Sven</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059835</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059835</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:05:14 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mary F</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>My usually republican mother-in-law in conservative, smack in the middle of the state St. Cloud, MN, goes ga-ga over the light white berry lattes (with a double flavor shot) at Caribou Coffee, MN's moosey retort to Starbucks. In fact every conservative I know in MN dumps a load of dough a week at Caribou.  I don't think Norm's approach is going to work unless he can finesse the approach to something like<br />
Norm = Caribou = moosey he-man lattes<br />
Al = Starbucks = wimpy liberal lattes<br />
Good luck with that, Norm. </p>]]></description>
<author>Mary F</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059851</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059851</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:20:14 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bub</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Is the Coleman campaign out of money? That ad looks cheap as hell.</p>]]></description>
<author>Bub</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059856</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059856</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:22:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Chamber McSween</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Heartland Rube: "No, City Slickers Have longer latte orders!"</p>

<p>City Slicker "No, you Rubes have longer latte orders!"</p>

<p>Gentlemen, relax. I can settle this for you.</p>

<p>Market forces have determined that enough people prefer complicated beverage options to support an entire mini-economy based on coffees.</p>

<p>The increasingly Balkanized intellectual landscape of The U.S. is careful to exercise it's surplus of resentments in such socally sanctioned areas or ambiguous hate, like say, "people who drive slow" or "people who drive fast" or "people who exercise their freedom to order complex coffee beverages at the expense of our own personal convenience".</p>

<p>God gave us all freewill, but it's totally unchristian and unamerican to abuse that freewill inm the coffeeline. Hell awaits. We know this.</p>

<p>In the end, the rube and that sophisticate will occupy the same circle of hell designated for Gratuitous Orderers Of Complex Lattes.</p>

<p>Thses are the issues of our times. I admire your response to the clarion call to rise up against the titans of inconvenience, but let's not mistakenly turn this into a witch hunt. Long coffee orders have descended form the mouths of rich and poor, black and white, urbanite and hearlander, christian and muslim alike. We must not be deceived. We must not be divided by election year propaganda. We must remain stalwart and vigilant in the fight against the orderers of complex lattes!</p>

<p>Peace and freedom our goal. Hope and change at stake.</p>]]></description>
<author>Chamber McSween</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059998</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1059998</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:53:06 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Xenu, Warrior Princess</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>This is the best smear of Franken they can come up with? that he's a carpetbagger that drinks fancy coffee? How about that he made that fucking "Stuart saves his family" movie and was an SNL writer for ALL of the 80s, even the years when SNL was painfully NOT FUNNY? </p>]]></description>
<author>Xenu, Warrior Princess</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1060027</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1060027</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:22:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Cascadian</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It's hard to believe this ad isn't a parody. It's embarrassingly bad, and anyone stupid enough to fall for this shit deserves Norm Coleman as Senator. My guess is that's a minority, though he's leading in the polls so far so WTF.</p>]]></description>
<author>Cascadian</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1060370</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/the_latte_smear#c1060370</guid>
<category>Politics</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:28:33 -0800</pubDate>
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