I think this would mean a McCain landslide. Obama's entire candidacy has been about cleaning up Washington and getting rid of old politics. If he now picks one of the worst perpetrators of that kind of politics as his VP, how is he not a liar?
I'll tell you this, if he gives her the slot, he's either the bravest or stupidest man alive (and possibly both). I would hate to have my beating heart be the only thing separating Hillary from the Presidency. That's one heart that Hillary will not let beat for very long before she has it Vince Fostered.
Posted by
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me |
June 3, 2008 12:59 PM
I don't think Gina Gershon is going to go for this...no way is she going to be the mistress to the Second Lady of the land...it would be too humiliating!
Posted by
michael strangeways |
June 3, 2008 1:04 PM
@13 Really? She IS a tramp, that Gina Gershon. It was so icky-hot when she dated Paul Allen.
Anyway, Hills as Vice? My first instinct is to shudder at the very thought, and then to wonder if she'll devolve from being "open to" the post to demanding the post.
But if it would keep that doddering old temper-bag McCain out of the White House, I'm all for it. (Insisting of course on the @4 Bill-locked-in-a-basement clause).
Posted by
It's Mark Mitchell |
June 3, 2008 1:12 PM
She has no intention of helping him get elected, and he knows it.
He'd be insane to have her, yet the moment he chooses someone else, she's going to have her surrogages cry sexism!, and hopefully break enough of her loyalists away that he narrowly loses.
Then she'll try again in four years, reminding everyone of how she "tried to help him," and how together they could have won it.
If Clinton is on the ticket, all the wingnuts who might have stayed home because they are unenthusiastic about McCain will turn out to vote against her. Like it or not, Clinton is loathed and despised by more independents and Republicans than any other politician in America. (It seems fairly obvious that most of the misogyny in this campaign directed at Clinton came from Is and Rs, not Ds.) McCain and the RNC will have to spend a fortune to bring Obama's negatives up to her level. They will, of course, but Clinton almost guarantees a defeat this fall for the Democrats.
Thus, all the folks who said "oh God, she'd never take back seat to Obama, she's too arrogant," etc. were wrong.
Obviously she'd take VP. Who the fuck wouldn't anyway? Has anyone ever declined?
As Annie says, "I told you so"!
Next up: delighting in the discomfort of the Hillary haters as Obama curries favor with all the Hillary supporters and voters -- gee they're only half the Democratic party.
Congrats to Obama on his day. Let us cease talking about other candidates and other politicians today. We have a nominee. Let's celebrate that today and tomorrow and for the next few weeks, and then we can visit the question of a VP.
For today, I will not mention anyone else, I'll only celebrate Obama's historic victory.
unPC, even if Obama makes the mistake of accepting Hillary, nobody will want you around. You already ruined one Clinton race and you'll sink another one given the chance. Everyone hates you.
I hope she doesn't take the VP slot playing second fiddle to a less qualifying empty suit. She'll get blamed when Odrama loses in November. Take it to the Denver convention Hillary!
After the shits she's pulled she doesn't even deserve to keep her Senate seat. If Obama does this I'll probably sit out any volunteering or contributing this cycle.
otherwise, not to be a misogynist dick, but i can't think of a woman to pick for the VP with the proper inside-the-beltway experience. NOT DiFi, not either of Washington State's twin brain-surgeon senators. in fact, it shouldn't be a senator.
If Obama feels he NEEDS Clinton on the ticket, he can frame this brilliantly by announcing that he is going to leave the selection of his Vice-President to the Democratic National Convention. That way, he can avoid the impression of "looking weak" by selecting Clinton as his running mate, and instead turn her selection into a strength. Leaving it to the convention will keep the media focused mostly on the Dems for another two months. It will also deflect any anti-Obama sentiment among Hillary's supporters; because they will work to establish Hillary as VP, they will have to acknowledge Obama as the legitimate Presidential nominee. At the convention, of course, Hillary's slight-minority of delegates would nominate her for VP. By embracing a non-traditional, democratic selection process for Vice-President, Obama can enhance his image of being a different kind of candidate. Clinton will bring many plusses and minuses to the ticket, but I think she has learned a ton (painful as it sometimes was) during this campaign season. If she is under the tutelage of Obama's team (dismissing Ickes and McAuliffe would be critical), she can focus on her issues of strength in venues where she has proven to be successful: debates, town hall meetings, and so on. As for damaging the "change" theme, it would be an easy pivot to say, "We want change, but we also know that effective change comes with a blend of outsider perspective and insider know-how." It becomes all about "WE" rather than "I" in the national campaign; Obama already knows this, and Hillary will learn quickly.
irony: Mr. Ickey-poo responsible for caucus system in which HRC blundered handing nomination to Obama.
"In the 14 states that picked some or all of their delegates through caucus systems this year, Obama won . . .a 207 delegate advantage that more than accounts for his overall delegate lead."
"Caucus participants made up 3.2 percent of the total of 33.5 million primary voters and caucus goers combined."
"The TalkLeft analysis noted that Clinton won 11 more delegates than Obama in the New Jersey primary, which she won by 112,128 votes, while Obama won 12 more delegates than Clinton in the Idaho caucuses which he won by 13,225 votes."
Gee I read that right here on Slog somewhere.
"Similarly, Clinton netted 12 delegates by winning the Pennsylvania primary by 214,115 votes, while Obama came out ahead by 14 delegates by winning the Kansas caucuses by 17,710 votes."
"in primary states, Clinton won 1,557.5 delegates, 16 more delegates than Obama's 1,521.5. In caucus states, Stewart found, Obama won 366 delegates, or 191 more than Clinton's 175. ... a number of Clinton strategists now acknowledge that they made a disastrous, if not fatal, mistake in" ignoring the fucking caucuses.
So in primary states, Clinton won SIXTEEN more delegates than Obama? Do you hear yourself? That means that if the caucus states, like Washington, had relied on a primary instead, OBAMA STILL WOULD HAVE WON.
Seriously, are your comprehension skills completely fried, or what?
I think it's really cute that you posted this.
I would love this.
Unbeatable? Maybe...
If elected Vice President, I'll be Ready On Day One when Barack Obama is assassinated.
Ugh. If it has to happen, Obama should at least demand that Bill Clinton remain locked in a basement somewhere until November.
Just think of it a Black man lording over a White woman..... THAT will work really really well for getting the southern votes this fall!
@4 -- Agreed.
And I guess I'm slightly rubbing myself when I see "Hillary" and "slot" in the same headline...
I think this would mean a McCain landslide. Obama's entire candidacy has been about cleaning up Washington and getting rid of old politics. If he now picks one of the worst perpetrators of that kind of politics as his VP, how is he not a liar?
oh man, we're on the eve of finally being rid of her, potentially and Drudge and the right have to throw a wrench in the Democrats' chances
#7
Right.
It's slimey that she released this information publicly, because now the Obama camp has to reject her in a way that won't hurt their campaign. Tricky.
True, @6, Drudges phrasing makes it sound sort of dirty, imagine that.
I'll tell you this, if he gives her the slot, he's either the bravest or stupidest man alive (and possibly both). I would hate to have my beating heart be the only thing separating Hillary from the Presidency. That's one heart that Hillary will not let beat for very long before she has it Vince Fostered.
@9
I'd say this is her first step toward the nomination four years from now.
I don't think Gina Gershon is going to go for this...no way is she going to be the mistress to the Second Lady of the land...it would be too humiliating!
I'm thinking she'd make a great Ambassador to Madagascar.
No more Clinton scandal. No more Clinton drama. No more Clinton games. Go home Hillary.
@13 Really? She IS a tramp, that Gina Gershon. It was so icky-hot when she dated Paul Allen.
Anyway, Hills as Vice? My first instinct is to shudder at the very thought, and then to wonder if she'll devolve from being "open to" the post to demanding the post.
But if it would keep that doddering old temper-bag McCain out of the White House, I'm all for it. (Insisting of course on the @4 Bill-locked-in-a-basement clause).
The worst one on the Democrats' side. She doesn't hold a candle to any number of slimebucket Republicans, starting with Karl Rove.
48% of Dems supporters Hills. Obama is the better candidate, but deal with it.
If she gets the Veep slot, it won't be the end of the world. It will be because Obama thinks she can help him get elected.
She has no intention of helping him get elected, and he knows it.
He'd be insane to have her, yet the moment he chooses someone else, she's going to have her surrogages cry sexism!, and hopefully break enough of her loyalists away that he narrowly loses.
Then she'll try again in four years, reminding everyone of how she "tried to help him," and how together they could have won it.
If Clinton is on the ticket, all the wingnuts who might have stayed home because they are unenthusiastic about McCain will turn out to vote against her. Like it or not, Clinton is loathed and despised by more independents and Republicans than any other politician in America. (It seems fairly obvious that most of the misogyny in this campaign directed at Clinton came from Is and Rs, not Ds.) McCain and the RNC will have to spend a fortune to bring Obama's negatives up to her level. They will, of course, but Clinton almost guarantees a defeat this fall for the Democrats.
@19 -- I don't know, dude...that just seems too damn Byzantine.
Thus, all the folks who said "oh God, she'd never take back seat to Obama, she's too arrogant," etc. were wrong.
Obviously she'd take VP. Who the fuck wouldn't anyway? Has anyone ever declined?
As Annie says, "I told you so"!
Next up: delighting in the discomfort of the Hillary haters as Obama curries favor with all the Hillary supporters and voters -- gee they're only half the Democratic party.
We all look forward to your loving embrace soon!
Unity!
Again, the question is why she would even want to be second on the ticket with a guy she proclaimed less qualified than McCain.
Unless, of course, you prescribe to theories such as those advanced by @3,11.
I think it would be a mistake.
Congrats to Obama on his day. Let us cease talking about other candidates and other politicians today. We have a nominee. Let's celebrate that today and tomorrow and for the next few weeks, and then we can visit the question of a VP.
For today, I will not mention anyone else, I'll only celebrate Obama's historic victory.
unPC, even if Obama makes the mistake of accepting Hillary, nobody will want you around. You already ruined one Clinton race and you'll sink another one given the chance. Everyone hates you.
I hope she doesn't take the VP slot playing second fiddle to a less qualifying empty suit. She'll get blamed when Odrama loses in November. Take it to the Denver convention Hillary!
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that "Odrama" is the same guy who used to post as "McCain/Crist '08!"
After the shits she's pulled she doesn't even deserve to keep her Senate seat. If Obama does this I'll probably sit out any volunteering or contributing this cycle.
#27 no I'll just vote third party if Odrama wins the nomination. I won't support McCain.
@29 - President McCain thanks you.
Drudge is a hack. Why the fuck would you bother to go to his site let alone post it here?
please don't be this stupid, BHO.
pick a HRC supporter: Wesley Clark?
otherwise, not to be a misogynist dick, but i can't think of a woman to pick for the VP with the proper inside-the-beltway experience. NOT DiFi, not either of Washington State's twin brain-surgeon senators. in fact, it shouldn't be a senator.
@31 has a good point, why r u paying attention to Drudge?
Inside the Beltway experience? uh, no, America doesn't want that. We want a change. A real change.
Whether you agree with his politics or not, Drudge is still a good source for breaking news.
CNN is still a good source for breaking news, and there are better blogs for news re Dems.
If Obama feels he NEEDS Clinton on the ticket, he can frame this brilliantly by announcing that he is going to leave the selection of his Vice-President to the Democratic National Convention. That way, he can avoid the impression of "looking weak" by selecting Clinton as his running mate, and instead turn her selection into a strength. Leaving it to the convention will keep the media focused mostly on the Dems for another two months. It will also deflect any anti-Obama sentiment among Hillary's supporters; because they will work to establish Hillary as VP, they will have to acknowledge Obama as the legitimate Presidential nominee. At the convention, of course, Hillary's slight-minority of delegates would nominate her for VP. By embracing a non-traditional, democratic selection process for Vice-President, Obama can enhance his image of being a different kind of candidate. Clinton will bring many plusses and minuses to the ticket, but I think she has learned a ton (painful as it sometimes was) during this campaign season. If she is under the tutelage of Obama's team (dismissing Ickes and McAuliffe would be critical), she can focus on her issues of strength in venues where she has proven to be successful: debates, town hall meetings, and so on. As for damaging the "change" theme, it would be an easy pivot to say, "We want change, but we also know that effective change comes with a blend of outsider perspective and insider know-how." It becomes all about "WE" rather than "I" in the national campaign; Obama already knows this, and Hillary will learn quickly.
Charles Rangel now supporting HRC for VP.
Clearly, there's only one viable solution to this dilemma:
Barack/Chelsea 2008
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/obamas_debt_to_harold_ickes.html
irony: Mr. Ickey-poo responsible for caucus system in which HRC blundered handing nomination to Obama.
"In the 14 states that picked some or all of their delegates through caucus systems this year, Obama won . . .a 207 delegate advantage that more than accounts for his overall delegate lead."
"Caucus participants made up 3.2 percent of the total of 33.5 million primary voters and caucus goers combined."
"The TalkLeft analysis noted that Clinton won 11 more delegates than Obama in the New Jersey primary, which she won by 112,128 votes, while Obama won 12 more delegates than Clinton in the Idaho caucuses which he won by 13,225 votes."
Gee I read that right here on Slog somewhere.
"Similarly, Clinton netted 12 delegates by winning the Pennsylvania primary by 214,115 votes, while Obama came out ahead by 14 delegates by winning the Kansas caucuses by 17,710 votes."
"in primary states, Clinton won 1,557.5 delegates, 16 more delegates than Obama's 1,521.5. In caucus states, Stewart found, Obama won 366 delegates, or 191 more than Clinton's 175. ... a number of Clinton strategists now acknowledge that they made a disastrous, if not fatal, mistake in" ignoring the fucking caucuses.
NSDT!
PC, your posts hurt my eyes. Really.
So in primary states, Clinton won SIXTEEN more delegates than Obama? Do you hear yourself? That means that if the caucus states, like Washington, had relied on a primary instead, OBAMA STILL WOULD HAVE WON.
Seriously, are your comprehension skills completely fried, or what?
you did understand the caucus system before the election, right? hillary too, right?
unPC is obviously a robo-troll scripted to post random nonsensical shit, probably across various blogs
I have a better idea for Hillary Clinton.
She can go fuck herself.
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