Oh btw if this he flip flops due to web site pressure headlines will scream Obama caves in to left" making him less electable.

He was against the bill then for it then against it etc. etc.

Would suggest everyone just work on getting him elected. Then pressure him on the web.

If you aren't mad as hell over a bunch of pussy ass democrats cowing before our great (27%) leader, you're retarded.

Justify it however you want, "ohhh well that McCain guy IS WORSE@@@@!!!" but we're being fed the same bullshit from both two plates.

Hand over your constitutional rights, sit back, and watch some reality TV.

Obama is already a centrist Democrat on many, many issues and that is why he is the Democratic nominee. Those too far ahead of the party and too strident on issues shine brightly and then flame out--see Dean, Jesse Jackson, Eugene McCarthy, etc.

The power of big money and the presidency itself will make Obama increasingly centrist both during the campaign and in the White House. I wish it weren't so, but it is. Obama offers hope for new ways of looking at issues but his record in the Senate doesn't suggest he will change government policy on any large scale soon.

Activists must hold Obama accountable for his stands on the issues dear to them. If they do not he will gradually drift to the center right. Because those noisy, mean right wingers won't stop hammering at him like many on the left of him. Every poll on specific issues like health care, the war, the environment, etc. shows overwhelming support among voters for change. Yet our media paints things like universal health care as radical left ideas.

In a sense this is part of the maturing process for Barack Obama and his campaign. Like any relationship people have there is usually a beer-goggly honeymoon phase, but then you start to look at people as whole people a bit more critically.

To beat John McCain in November doesn't mean you don't care what stands or positions Obama takes to get there. It means that if you are critical of a position Barack Obama has, you should tell him so. You should also tell him what you are doing to get him elected and why. When Bush invaded Iraq he did so because he could. The media failed to ask the tough questions and accepted the lies and rationales from the administration on blind faith. And as the Boss says, blind faith will get you killed.

Obama this week is running a kind of "Sister Soulja clock punching", attacking Move-On just to prove he could and would attack a supporter for no useful purpose other than so show the corporate right he was willing to gratuitiously attack a lefty supporter without a necessity. And he attacked Wes Clark totally unnecessarily just to prove he wasn't going to be beholden to "dirty fucking hippies." And this FISA thing... right. I think he's already paying up his bill to the corporate masters I had finally convinced myself he might be more free of.

I have a coworker telling me to take a deep breath and wait. At best we get health care and out of Iraq. But watching his back-knifing of his sane supporters doesn't have me holding my breath.

This isn't just a "move to the center" - it is a betrayal that he wants someone to see very clearly.

Bleh.