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<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1</link>
<description>If voters in California approve an anti-gay-marriage amendment to that state&apos;s constitution this November, they may wind up banning straight marriage in California. From Sunday&apos;s Washington Post: Should voters approve the measure, Cruz said, offering another potential outcome, it could inadvertently affect traditional marriages. That&apos;s because the amendment would undo only part of the court&apos;s decision—allowing gay couples to marry—but not the rest, which says that same-sex couples cannot be recognized differently than opposite-sex couples, he said. &quot;If you&apos;ve got those two rules—that you can&apos;t let them marry, but you can&apos;t give different options to gay and straight couples—then one...</description>
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<title>Comment by Tiffany</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see the reaction against the religious right if this actually became a consequence of their actions.</p>]]></description>
<author>Tiffany</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042965</link>
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<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:07:26 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>When douchebags write initiatives....</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042967</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042967</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:09:51 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by flamingbanjo</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a fair solution.</p>]]></description>
<author>flamingbanjo</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042972</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042972</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:15:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by FullFreeXXXMovies</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Watch full free porn movies on ... www.fullfreexxxmovies.com     IT'S ALL FREE</p>]]></description>
<author>FullFreeXXXMovies</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042973</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042973</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:15:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Rain Monkey</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The purpose of this initiative is to motivate social conservatives to show up at the polls in November, where they might not have otherwise bothered to turn out for John McCain.</p>

<p>The initiative is unlikely to pass statewide, and John McCain is unlikely to carry California even with the initiative on the ballot, but there are down-ticket social conservative candidates in Coalinga and Visalia who will benefit from the presence of this initiative.</p>]]></description>
<author>Rain Monkey</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042975</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042975</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:17:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jingo Dan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>News for Dan Savages war: see his Oct. 2002 article calling for war.</p>

<p><br />
Newsweek: Soldiers Turning To Self-Harm To Avoid Going Back To Iraq</p>

<p>Army suicides rose last year, Pentagon says<br />
115 troops killed themselves in 2007, the most since at least 1980</p>]]></description>
<author>Jingo Dan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042982</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042982</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:19:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Having been married once, it's completely beyond me why anyone in their right mind would want to get married anyway - straight or gay. It's a lose-lose situation.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fifty-Two-Eighty</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042987</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042987</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:23:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Hamlet</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I say we'll have no more marriages. Those that are married already, all but one, shall live; the rest shall keep as they are.</p>]]></description>
<author>Hamlet</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042991</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042991</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:24:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Ziggity</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Spammers and trolls! What's happening to slog?</p>]]></description>
<author>Ziggity</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042994</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042994</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:25:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by David Wright</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>A full-stop end to government marriage in CA would be the best possible outcome. It's time to end government discrimination on the basis of relationship status. Here's hoping that's how it plays out.</p>]]></description>
<author>David Wright</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042995</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042995</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:26:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Abby</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The trolls are always there. The spammers are new, though.</p>]]></description>
<author>Abby</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042996</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1042996</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:26:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by max solomon</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>i've been calling for an end to civil marriage since this DOMA crap started. keep it religious.</p>]]></description>
<author>max solomon</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043005</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043005</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:32:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bauhaus</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>When exactly in this country did it become acceptable to put granting a citizen his/her civil rights up to a public vote?</p>]]></description>
<author>Bauhaus</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043015</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043015</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:38:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Cook</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I think this was an intended consequence--by the courts.  Since they knew that there was a ballot initiative that could be on the November ballot, but couldn't explicitly block the initiative without a case presented to them, they sought to preempt the initiative by creating this as a consequence.</p>

<p>also, @5, although mobilizing voters for John McCain might be a result of this initiative, it was not an intended one.  The initiative backers tried to get the initiative up on the recent June 3rd ballot, thinking that it would benefit from low turnout, which usually favors Republicans.  They didn't gather enough signatures though, so had to wait for the upcoming November election.</p>]]></description>
<author>Cook</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043019</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043019</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:43:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by dawicksta</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Loves it. Send me a sign for my yard immediately!</p>]]></description>
<author>dawicksta</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043024</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043024</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:45:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by shub-negrorath</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>"When exactly in this country did it become acceptable to put granting a citizen his/her civil rights up to a public vote?"</p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution</a></p>

<p>Not to mention Jim Crow, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, etc . . .</p>]]></description>
<author>shub-negrorath</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043051</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043051</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:04:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bauhaus</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Maybe instead of granting I should have said denying a citizen his/her civil rights. When (constitutionally) did it become acceptable to deny any group its civil rights by public vote?</p>

<p>May I introduce a proposition with enough signatures on it that proposes, "No Jew may use the library on Thursday?"</p>

<p>Or how about, "Native Americans may not purchase alcohol outside their reservations?"</p>

<p>Does the 14th protect shit like that, too?</p>]]></description>
<author>Bauhaus</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043089</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043089</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:30:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Hernandez</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@12 - Yes, exactly!  There are absolutely zero non-religious arguments that can be made for keeping marriage a heterosexual institution, and of course purely religious arguments cannot be the basis of secular law.  Let the religious folks have their religious ritual, and stop bothering the rest of us.</p>]]></description>
<author>Hernandez</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043092</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043092</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:31:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Joshua</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Essentially, it gets at the issue the court decision didn't address.</p>

<p>The only alternative the court had to allowing same-sex marriage would be to have struck down the equal protection law as unconstitutionally vague.  In the end, if any state says people have equal rights and equal protection under the law regardless of sexual orientation, they are compelled to define what sexual orientation is.  </p>

<p>Sexual orientation implies that there is some chunk of the spectrum of gender on which lies the sort of person you are attracted to, fall in love with, and want to be married to.  Even using the term "sexual orientation" itself implies the tacit assumption that hetero and homo are simply different "orientations" people have.  If you have equal rights "regardless of sexual orientation" then you really do have to treat hetero and homo marriages the same.</p>

<p>Perhaps the constitutional amendment crowd would do better to petition the legislature to re-word the equal protection law.  If "what they really meant was" whatever one might do in the bedroom, equal rights and protections apply to an individual, then such a clarification of the law would nullify the court decision.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Joshua</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043249</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/dept_of_unintended_consequences_1#c1043249</guid>
<category>Homo</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:34:44 -0800</pubDate>
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