"it was concocted by two staunch Republicans"
Really? Where did you get that? I'd never heard that before, and if you actually watched the show you would not get that impression.
Do you actually bet on 24 Black at the table? I'm partial to 23 Red aka Brentwood Slasher.
Excuse me, but Morgan Freeman was the first black President.
Deep Impact, 1998
By Haysbert's and Aristotle's logic then, Geena Davis should have paved the way for a female President by portraying the Presidential character in the TV show "Commander-in-Chief". Not sure she said anything but it hasn't come to pass yet. For the record, we've had at least four presidential candidates with African-American heritage run since 1968(?). They are the late US Rep. Shirley Anita Chisholm, Lenora Fulani, an independent, Rev. Jesse Jackson (2X?) and Rev. Al Sharpton.
"However, if this is true..." It ain't.
Backfired? I'd guess the Republicans were as prepared for the arrival of a black president as the Democrats. I've no doubt they were sincere in their earlier admiration for Colin Powell (that guy mentioned as a potential candidate in days gone by), for example.
Please do not post season-making spoilers to recent major TV series. Some of us have been saving up all that good content for the next time they get relly sick and and plow through 3 seasons of TV on DVD in a week.
I thought the point of 24 was to make torture normal.
*BOOM* *pow* *zingzingzing* *WHOOSH* *terRor* *chuchuchuchu* *tick...tock...tick...tock...* *slAp* *GROIN* *kabloowie!!* *sliceeee*
sorry i just ruined season 7 for you :[
Where did Aristotle say that? Was it in the Poetics?
@6--here are some other timely spoilers: the chick in The Crying Game has a dick, and the Bruce Willis character in The Sixth Sense is dead!
@8-you forgot to mention that jack bauer chokes somebody or 10.
He only paved the way for a half-black president.
#1: Afraid so. Watch with the audio commentary on when the creators are talking. Bummed me out too because I enjoyed the first season, but it kinda makes sense when you consider the world-view it's based around. The "ticking time-bomb" justification for torture is pretty much the basis for the entire show.
I'm looking forward to Obama's Allstate commercials.
Are you trying to tell me that Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?
I thought that the last season of The West Wing was the Obama campaign/presidency...
Obama: you're in good hands.
OK, I just read Joel Surnow's entry in wikipedia - bummer.
Still, though, anyone that watched the show (especially the first few seasons) would be hard-pressed to find any evidence of a conservative/republican agenda. I don't want to give away any more whoppers, but suffice it to say the 24 enemies are not Bush's enemies.
Maybe I'm being naive, but I think the creators' first priority was to create an entertaining, compelling show, and not a platform for the Republican agenda.
As someone else pointed out, I think it's a mistake to assume that the Republican platform is racist; Republicans are classist. They hate poor people. Minorities are disproportionately poor, so it looks like Republicans are always out to fuck them, but I think the causality gets mixed up in people's minds -- especially liberals, who tend to be obsessed with identity politics.
#18: Well, there's nothing that says you can't enjoy entertainment produced by assholes. Hell, I enjoy listening to Sinatra sometimes.
I almost never, ever think of someone's political beliefs when watching a movie or TV show.
ANyhow, regardless of ideology, let's hope that the next season of 24 makes up for last season, which was beyond awful. The first and fourth seasons were the most entertaining.
@9, yes, the poetics.
George Bush's idiotic lunacy prepared American minds for the arrival of a black president.
That all fits in well with a theory a friend of mine espouse: that the reason so many people were happy with the early years of the Bush presidency was because they were busy watching "West Wing" and thought -- on some level -- that Martin Sheen & Rob Lowe were the ones running the nation.
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