Her advisors think (and in private, talk) like Republicans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN_nQOHj__s

Got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, did we?

I would have voted for her if she did.

Well, McCain IS shopping around for Vice-President candidate...

I would not be suprised if McCain is waiting for her to drop out to have her run as VP with him on the GOP ticket. I mean she was a Goldwater Girl and supported Nixon in 1968 and for all we know in 1972 as well.....

"If we had chosen one arbitrary, nondemocratic primary process instead of another, I'd have won now." Well, good for you.

Would she pull a Lieberman? It seems hard to imagine, but I don't think anyone saw Lieberman's Lieberman coming until Democratic voters snubbed him.

If I had run a Mugabe-style election, I'd already be dictator.

Fascinating.

dumbass dan

she was referring to the primary process

slog is bias and stupid i hate that i read it

If Hillary does not get her way she will sabotage the party in November: AND afterwards say "It is not my fault! If Obama ran a better campaign he would have won! It is not my fault!!!"

Seriously; get ready for this to play out really really nasty!!

Obama's camp sees the primary process they're campaigning in and campaign accordingly. Hillary's camp, OTOH, apparently spends their time fighting another imaginary, entirely different primary process and then complains about not winning.

I know, benxer, and I'm with you. I prefer all those unbiased blogs out there myself.

Dan, if you're in the office first, why not just post the morning news? Why make some intern do it?

My favorite unbiased blog is Slog.

If we had Republican rules, the morning news would already be posted.

get off your high horse, dan; the caucus system is undemocratic. (and yes, i did caucus. what a miserable waste of time it was.)

Andy Niable @4, Cato @5, tsm @6 – Just what I was thinking. My fear is that a McCain/Hillary ticket would be very, very hard to beat.

They're simpatico on the bellicose rhetoric toward Iran. They're simpatico on the gas tax. They have a real rapport going back to their little vodka-drinking contest in Estonia.

What makes a McCain/Hillary ticket so formidable is it's the ultimate act of triangulation. It coopts the whole segment of the Democratic Party that doesn't care about real issues and policies but rather cares about identity politics--white working-class resentment, feminist resentment, boomer entitlement, etc. And it outflanks the whole conservative base. They have nowhere else to go.

McCain and Hillary could run on a platform that economists in unison would say would hasten the decline and fall of the United States, and there would still be millions of Americans who would keep saying, "But that Obama guy just doesn't have enough experience." And Hillary could just call all the economists of America a bunch of elitists.

Hillary feels the super delegates are qualified to overrule the popular vote because they are committed Democrats of long experience. But Hillary feels the caucus goers are unqualified to choose a nominee because they are committed Democrats of long experience.

She's also attacking Democrats for not supporting the McCain/Clinton plan.

"Do they stand with the hard-pressed Americans who are trying to pay their gas bills at the gas station or do they once again stand with the oil companies? That's a vote I'm going to try to get, because I want to know where people stand, and I want them to tell us - are they with us or against us when it comes to taking on the oil companies?"

I was so looking forward to the end of Bush's reign of error, but unfortunately it is looking more and more like it will be bittersweet since McCain will be the one taking the oath.

If she doesn't convince the SuperDs to fuck over Obama, it will play out exactly like Just Me described @ 9.

Also, the McCain/Hillary thing is just stupid. Really.

BTW, for all those people who will not vote for a Black Man to be President even if their lives depend on it: YOUR LIFE NOW DEPENDS ON IT!!!! So when you vote for McCain in November because you just could not get over your racism keep your damn mouths shut about high gas prices, your home being forclosed on, your kids dying in Iraq and having no access to medical insurance. That is right if you vote Republican KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS SHUT!!! And die in quiet!

I am liberal hear me roar! **meow**

Dukakis, Kerry, Gore, Humphrey, Mondale, Stevenson*, Carter2 - how many SCJs did they appoint?

Now if we could expel the South and other selected states perhaps a progressive, green, anti-war candidate would win.

Dan, check out Obama's history of campaigning, in particular what he did to his last significant woman foe. Learn how he used his voter registration experience.

Obama is no saint and he has been as thirsty for power as any politician. His campaign's calls for Hillary to quit have been the most divisive element in the campaign. But it fits his pattern.

Hillary is closing in the polls, Obama is dropping but the story you promote is that Hillary factually said that if the Dems used a winner take all system like the repubos, she would be the winner already. When McGovern ran we had a winner take all in the system - was he a repubo?

You people are friggin nuts!

I can't believe the McCain/Clinton ticket idea never occurred to me before. It's a pretty compelling idea though, if she gets this nomination stolen from her by Obama, McCain/Clinton would be unbeatable. haha @ all you Obama supporters, my girl will be in the whitehouse after all! He'll probably die in office and then she'll rightly get what she's entitled to. Hopefully she can pass some good laws so we can throw Obama and Wright into jail for treason or something.

McG, can you provide a quote of Obama calling on Hillary to drop out? Thnx!

McG@22, you're such a hack. Neither Obama nor his campaign have called for Hillary to leave the race. I genuinely don't understand why you're so uniformly incapable of making an honest argument for your candidate.

@26 - It's because #22 is simply reiterating the talking points that Hillary has been feeding to her supporters this entire time. Why do you think so many Hillary supporters say that they won't support Obama in the general? It's because Hillary's rhetoric for the last few months has been that he's a total sleazeball and not worthy, and they trust and believe her (and just as an fyi to the Hillary supporters, I am not a big Obama supporter, just an interested/horrified observer of this campaign).

Two senators supporting Obama on the same day went public saying that Hillary should quit for the good of the party. Obama said that they had gone too far and she should do whatever she wanted. If you want to believe that Sen. Leahy and Dodd went public without the campaign's permission well...

Oh and go back to Obama having Alice Palmer disqualified and you'll find stories about how bad he felt about doing it.

Ridiculous... Clinton and McCain are COMPLETE OPPOSITES in their policies. She's had stupid tactics, but so what? You and everybody else realizes they're stupid. I'm not voting for president based on which PR firm they use.

Please provide a quote of Hillary that says Obama is a total sleazeball.

I will not vote Repubo and can't imagine there will be a third party that would be worth it.

The information on Palmer is all from Internet research. I've read the nation articles on Obama, the ones talking about his community service; the Atlantic Sullivan story, the one promoting him because he's not stuck in the past and a new face; the Trib and Sun stories about Rezko and pals etc. etc.

I like Edwards and Biden and caucused uncommitted here. Like most I like Obama but think he will not win and like McG it will set back that element of the party for decades. He will not win the red states and will struggle in the swing states. Just yesterday he said that Iowa was better gauge of things, because people get to really know the candidates, than the big states that Hillary is winning where media campaigns dominate. But in the general he won't have months to court the voters face to face, he will need to win with media.

Odds are that he will get the nomination. His supporters should recognize that they will not win by attacking those that bring up issues about him. For example, on yesterday's Horsey slog the Obama supporters could have said "Horsey's anti woman bias sucks and we wish he'd stop" rather than piling on, act more like your candidate.

Poppy you are not paying attention.

HRC and McCain both voted for the war and now are both pandering with this gas tax vacation proposal.

Way to remove all context, Dan. That's the best way to get sensational sound bytes to use in support of your own views.

Hmm... we're going to remove a tax on the product and add a tax on the producer? And the effect will be non-zero because?

Doods: I think Dan and everyone can figure out what the context was, and her quote is STILL retarded.

Recognize.

#31. Maria Cantwell and most other democratic senators voted for the Iraq war resolution. Does that mean they're all secret republicans?

The gas tax proposal is a very minor policy, and at least Clinton wants to pay for it by taxing oil company profits instead of creating more debt. Clinton and McCain are complete opposites on ending the Iraq war, gay rights, immigration, abortion, and just about every much more important issue. If Clinton is the same as McCain on the issues, so is Obama.

Everyone hates the kid who starts losing then wants to change the rules.

I learned and wised up. Some people never do.

If The Stranger were actually the National Review, Erica C. Barnett would be its brand-new News Editor. Oh, hey, wait a minute...

Poppy, did you forget what you said?

"Clinton and McCain are COMPLETE OPPOSITES in their policies."

I listed two policies where they're actually in pretty close agreement. I'm not saying anyone is a hidden Republican, I'm just pointing out that you are inaccurate.

Clinton's insistance on running a campaign for a system in a paralell world doesn't speak too highly of her ability to govern.

I mean, if we nominated candidates based on three-pointers, Obama would've wrapped this up back in January. What about the MySpace Primary or the DailyKos straw poll? They're equally valid metrics too!

Reality has come crashing down. The Clinton strategy depended on throwing the sink at Obama and having the superdelegates flood to her.

Well, they threw everything at him and they still going to Obama.

That's the reality of the situation.

The vast numbers of Republican voters who are already pissed that McCain is the nominee would just LOVE IT if he named Hillary Clinton as his running mate. This might not be such a bad idea for the Democrats.

well Obama can always counter with his VP pick, Jim Webb of Virginia, a former-Republican-now-turned-Democrat, and former Navy Secretary under... Reagan.

Once a Republican, always a Republican...

Any time the question of the superdelegates comes up--since the GOP DOESNT HAVE THEM--ask your self why the Democrats do have them?

Do your research and see why. (Hint: 1972)

If it walks like a Republican ... If it uses Republican-created videos to make attack ads on the Dem nominee ... If it uses Dem donations to finance those attack ads to bring down the Dem nominee's positive numbers ...

Well, then, it's a Republican. Just like when she worked for Goldwater.

OK everybody, Hillary bugs me too and I'm just as pissed as anyone else about the immoral lies and cynical campaign tactics she's employed to stay alive in this race. But not for one second do I think it remotely possible that she would run with McCain. No way. Not gonna happen.

poppy @35:

The gas tax proposal is a very minor policy, and at least Clinton wants to pay for it by taxing oil company profits instead of creating more debt. Clinton and McCain are complete opposites on ending the Iraq war, gay rights, immigration, abortion, and just about every much more important issue. If Clinton is the same as McCain on the issues, so is Obama.

The reason Clinton and Obama appear so close on these issues is they're both running for the presidential nomination of the Democratic Party. It's what the marketplace demands.

Hillary already has a model in Joe Lieberman. The script goes, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me." Like Lieberman, she can pick just a couple issues as excuses--never mind the countless other issues where there was never, well, an issue.

McCain/Clinton 08 @24:

haha @ all you Obama supporters, my girl will be in the whitehouse after all! He'll probably die in office and then she'll rightly get what she's entitled to. Hopefully she can pass some good laws so we can throw Obama and Wright into jail for treason or something.

Excellent observation. I didn't even consider this. Hillary has an exponentially better chance of becoming president as McCain's VP than she does as Obama's VP.

Matthew @45: But not for one second do I think it remotely possible that she would run with McCain. No way. Not gonna happen.

Matthew, thanks for bringing us all back down to earth. Anyway, Hillary's better strategy is to sabotage Obama this year and hold out hope for 2012.

Even if Hillary '12 is not the end-game, I halfway believe the next-best-thing for the Clintons is Obama's defeat in the general election. Remember, for the Clintons this is personal.

Hey, Dan, here's a question for you -- Is her statement actually true?

I have heard her, or her surrogates, make this statement a couple of times now, but the numbers don't seem to add up when I look them over. It looks to me like she'd still be behind.

Frankly, she's been lying all along by trying to include Florida's and Michigan's vote totals in her counts. Is this just a case of fibbing again to get a good newsbyte?

You know, what Cato said @21 on behalf of Obama can and should be said on behalf of Hillary as well:

"for all those people who will not vote for a Woman to be President even if their lives depend on it: YOUR LIFE NOW DEPENDS ON IT!!!! So when you vote for McCain in November because you just could not get over your sexism (or really, any other issue you have with her) keep your damn mouths shut about high gas prices, your home being forclosed [sic.] on, your kids dying in Iraq and having no access to medical insurance. That is right if you vote Republican KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS SHUT!!! And die in quiet!"

In the words of Nietzsche (sort of), "Thus spoke Cato."

#38, I was exaggerating about being complete opposites, but they are not even close in their records and stances on most major issues.

My point is that Hillary is infinitely preferable to McCain. I like Obama better, but I'm really scared that Obama fans will vote for McCain if Hillary somehow takes the nomination.

If McCain wins: goodbye leaving Iraq, goodbye national health care, goodbye abortion, goodbye federal gay rights, goodbye 2+ million immigrants raided and forcibly deported.

@49 well, except that clinton is closer to mccain than obama is. so that diatribe doesn't quite make as much sense....

Hey folks, let's all remember that Supreme Court justices serve for life. John Paul Stevens turns, I think, 168 this year (He was a Cleveland appointee, right?). Can we Democrats actually avoid shooting ourselves in foot again, please?