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<title>Slog - Comments on Wherein I Tell You Exactly When You Can Stop Reading Knute Berger&apos;s Latest Post</title>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can</link>
<description>Right here: A few early French restaurants in Pioneer Square in the 1970s... Dude. It&apos;s 2008. It&apos;s time to let go. Of course, if you do read on, you&apos;ll be treated to some real gems of twisted logic and insincere credulity. Such as: our most ardent urban advocates have become uptight and nativist, from new liquor crackdowns to calls for secession. Nickels&apos;s &quot;call for secession,&quot; as Berger surely realizes, was a joke. And Berger&apos;s one to talk about &quot;nativism.&quot; Moving on: Once, you may have looked for an authentic bistro that served Evian with your meal. Now, sipping foreign water...</description>
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<title>Comment by Teal Deer</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>tl;dr</p>]]></description>
<author>Teal Deer</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020711</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020711</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:54:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by six shooter</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Why'd you have to bring <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Rooney" rel="nofollow">Andy Rooney</a> into this?</p>

<p>(Rooney and Oscar are my grump role models.)</p>

<p>Berger (and his fellow "Lesser Seattle" losers pine for the days when <i>they</i> were the scolds and nannies.</p>]]></description>
<author>six shooter</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020714</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020714</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:12:14 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Kblake</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>This post was fucking awesome.</p>]]></description>
<author>Kblake</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020715</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020715</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:12:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by A Non Imus</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Knute Berger is the anti-Barnett.  Equally irrational, but in the opposite direction.  Put them together, and you get pure nonsense.</p>

<p>If only we could harness this power for good....</p>]]></description>
<author>A Non Imus</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020717</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020717</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:13:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by el</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@1 i really hate that fucking acronym. besides, it's only appropriate when directed toward slog commenters (you know, the ones not employed to pontificate).</p>]]></description>
<author>el</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020721</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020721</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:23:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Cornichon</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Erica, if only you had known the "original" Skip Berger, the one hired by Ken Gouldthorpe to edit Washington Magazine because he was progressive and smart and glowing with inner Zeitgeist. As I remember those days, we had no internets, and we had to feed the squirrels a ton of peanuts to keep the treadmills turning fast enough to power the electric typewriters. I'm guessing the squirrels eventually died (peanut poisoning, most likely), and Skip's Zeitgeist just flickered and died.</p>]]></description>
<author>Cornichon</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020722</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020722</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:24:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Seattle Non-Nativist</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>YES! YES! YES! This is the best thing ECB has ever said and the only time I actually agree with her 110%. Yes, 110%! It's that good!</p>

<p>Screw Knute Berger and the "Nanny State" argument. Go dotter off somewhere to mumble about the seventies and let us get to work building an actual city that actually works.</p>]]></description>
<author>Seattle Non-Nativist</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020724</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020724</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:26:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Trevor</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>You're expending too much energy on such an insignificant column.</p>]]></description>
<author>Trevor</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020738</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020738</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:57:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Chris B</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Written by someone who's never lived with well water.  </p>

<p>I'm from a small town with well water and there were days when the water smelled of sulfur or tasted of copper, never mind the one or two days every other year where we had to boil the water while the water tower was cleaned.  I'm not about to claim any sort of hardship status, but compared with that, I love Seattle's tap water.  Put it in the fridge and I'd rather drink it than send money to [insert bottling company here].</p>]]></description>
<author>Chris B</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020753</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020753</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:28:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by laterite</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Jesus Christ.<br />
<p><br />
Your biggest problem with Berger seems to be that he has a sense of historical place and memories about Seattle of a bygone era. What's wrong with that? It lends perspective to the present.</p></p>]]></description>
<author>laterite</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020756</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020756</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:31:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by frank</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Laterite is right. </p>

<p>Still, this:</p>

<p>"Oh, snap! I also think people starving to death in developing countries because of Americans’ meat consumption is bad, therefore I will drink infinity bottles of water with impunity!"</p>

<p>Sometimes you can still delight me. </p>]]></description>
<author>frank</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020761</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020761</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:46:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by jr</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Re: "5) Finally, drivers can calm down: Seattle leaders aren’t trying to charge you for every mile you drive. What’s actually happening is that King County is looking into pay-as-you-drive insurance—a fairer form of insurance coverage that charges you only for the amount you use your car (unlike conventional insurance plans, which charge infrequent drivers just as much as road hogs.)"</p>

<p><br />
I think Berger was refering to this plan: <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004369904_tolls24m.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004369904_tolls24m.html</a><br />
which proposes charging drivers tolls depending on when and where they drive in order to get them to make more efficient use of the roads. It involves installing GPS devices in all cars. I could be wrong. </p>]]></description>
<author>jr</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020764</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020764</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:58:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ZWBush</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>ECB this post was tired.  Not as tired as that last one, but still tired.  Are you the slog shock jock now?</p>]]></description>
<author>ZWBush</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020767</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020767</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:07:42 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by homage to me</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I agree with @8.  This post lost its steam about halfway through.  We get the point.</p>]]></description>
<author>homage to me</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020798</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020798</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:59:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Thorn Lamont Jr</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Nope, ECB, you don't live in the same city as the knutty one.  I think he lives in Kirkland.   </p>]]></description>
<author>Thorn Lamont Jr</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020799</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020799</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:03:37 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Thorn Lamont Jr</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Nope, ECB, you don't live in the same city as the knutty one.  I think he lives in Kirkland.   </p>]]></description>
<author>Thorn Lamont Jr</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020802</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020802</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:05:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ho&apos; know</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>a bit windy, but always good to have you back ECB</p>]]></description>
<author>ho&apos; know</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020822</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020822</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:48:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. X</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I'm pretty sure that CM Richard Conlin et al did in fact briefly consider restricting fast food restaurants as part of the "Healthy Food" initiative or whatever has called.  The Council also banned drive-thru businesses in Sound Transit Station Areas (so, for example, you can't replace the Jack in the Box on Capitol Hill or in the U-District - both of which happen to be some of the only food around after midnight).</p>

<p>Whether it's banning cheap high-octane beer (far more of which is actually sold to poor and working-class people than street alcoholics), imposing grocery bag fees that the City acknowledges will generate millions of dollars (and which you'll also pay whenever you get restaurant food to-go), Greg Nickels and Tom Carr continuing Mark Sidran's war on nightlife, and yes, holding a press conference about banning bottled water at City Hall, this whole trend all does sound like galloping nanny-statism to a whole lot of people - many of whom are longtime Democrats in good standing.  </p>

<p>It's a lot of little stuff, but it adds up to a local government that is increasingly intrusive, punitive and yes, nanny-ish.</p>

<p>What's more, Seattle ought to have working drinking fountains (and public bathrooms, for that matter), and there's nothing wrong with KB pointing out that local government is more focused on holding press conferences scolding people for drinking bottled water than it is delivering basic services.   </p>

<p>But yeah, he kinda does sound like Andy Rooney.  I'll give you that.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. X</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020824</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020824</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:49:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ROAG</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Skip Berger rules. He's friendly and open minded with strong opinions. Also, he lives in Seattle. Your ongoing disdain for him is juvenile and mean spirited. I know he loves this city. Maybe you both do. </p>]]></description>
<author>ROAG</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020843</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020843</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:42:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by kerri harrop</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Oh, for chrissake.  Go back to supporting Hillary, Erica.  At least that was entertaining.</p>]]></description>
<author>kerri harrop</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020862</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020862</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:34:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Leave already, Skip.</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I love Slog's take downs of Moss! The guy is so goddamn contradictory (and full of shit).</p>]]></description>
<author>Leave already, Skip.</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020866</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020866</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:46:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Hey, chick!</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Why do you keep calling him "dude"?</p>]]></description>
<author>Hey, chick!</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020871</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020871</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:59:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by WenG</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I want the bubblers back, and the natatorium on Alki. We'll save water by bathing together. And thank you Erica, for reading anything from the Weekly, so that I don't have to.</p>]]></description>
<author>WenG</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020897</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020897</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 04:58:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by WenG</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Oops, Abraham Simpson doesn't write for the Weekly anymore. </p>]]></description>
<author>WenG</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020898</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020898</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 05:00:49 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by hmm</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Erica, no one lived in Seattle in the '70s. It only became a city in your era. What an asshole, being older than you.</p>]]></description>
<author>hmm</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020910</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020910</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 07:07:26 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by NaFun</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I hate Berger as much as any Stranger reader, but I think his relevance is long past and giving him any mental bandwidth is just feeding the troll.</p>

<p>As for his comment that the tap water doesn't taste good, Seattle has some of the strictest taste testing of municipal water lines in the country.  Here are some SPU docs that talk about the quality control of Seattle's water supply and water mains:</p>

<p><a href="http://www2.seattle.gov/util/engineering/ArticleView.asp?ArticleID=7-11.2(2)#7-11.2(2)" rel="nofollow">http://www2.seattle.gov/util/engineering/ArticleView.asp?ArticleID=7-11.2(2)#7-11.2(2)</a></p>

<p><a href="http://www.seattle.gov/util/stellent/groups/public/@spu/@usm/documents/webcontent/spu01_002164.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattle.gov/util/stellent/groups/public/@spu/@usm/documents/webcontent/spu01_002164.pdf</a></p>]]></description>
<author>NaFun</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020911</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020911</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 07:10:55 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>NaFun, your tap water depends on whether you're north or south of the Ship Canal. I assume Berger is north, because Tolt water is lousy. South, you get Cedar water, which is delicious.<br /><br />
But, you know, people back in the seventies and before mostly drank TAP WATER. Berger's got his facts completely upside down. In 1972, bottled water was RARE AND EXOTIC; most people had never seen it before, and people made fun of it. Yes, you could suddenly get Perrier (not Evian, not til later) in a handful of places, but it was an expensive and exotic treat. Skip Berger sure as hell wasn't loading cases of it into his SUV every week. He was drinking fuckin' tap water like most people.<br /><br />
The funny thing is the way an "original Yuppie" like Berger has transformed bottled water, which in the 70s was the very symbol of elitist scum ("Perrier-sipping liberals" as opposed to Nixon's "Silent Majority"), into its opposite -- hard-workin' white folks just tryin' to git by without The Man keepin' 'em down.<br /><br />
Even Tolt water is potable, especially if you filter it. Get a damn Brita. Plastic bottles are evil.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020932</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020932</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 08:11:26 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jeff</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Petty and childish jealousy.</p>

<p>No one reads the dailies, except when they do.</p>

<p>I love wathcing one hack attack another. </p>

<p>Keep up the good work. </p>]]></description>
<author>Jeff</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020936</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020936</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 08:15:12 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Stringbean Lopez</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Aw, that's so cute: she thinks she's actually a good enough writer to critique the work of others. </p>]]></description>
<author>Stringbean Lopez</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020943</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020943</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 08:26:12 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elenchos</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Fnarf nailed the real flaw in Knut's logic which ECB missed.  He's using the patented Hillary Clinton-Karl Rove class reversal.</p>]]></description>
<author>elenchos</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020944</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020944</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 08:28:42 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ivan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Get used to it, folks. This is what journalism has come to in this town. Heaven forfend that either Knute or Erica could go out and, you know, report some news.</p>

<p>I read all the way through everything Erica writes because it feels so good when I stop.<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>ivan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020973</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020973</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 09:05:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Greg</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Erica's totally right about Berger being a contrarian whiner when it comes to tap water. Most people in Western Washington don't think about how lucky they are to have some of the best municipal water in the world.</p>

<p>Here's an idea: if your pipes are bad, <i>replace your pipes!</i> How is that hard, Knute? Aww, good plumbing costs money. That's what we call 'reality,' jackass.</p>]]></description>
<author>Greg</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020995</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1020995</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 09:27:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by saucy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>actually, i think he doesn't live in seattle; he lives in kirkland...</p>]]></description>
<author>saucy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1021024</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1021024</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 10:05:17 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Reality Check</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The quote:</p>

<p>"To me, one of the few mitigating factors in Seattle’s march toward Manhattanization is the hope that the resulting mess will at least be broadminded, perhaps even creatively fertile. But instead Seattle seems to be on the forefront of a new kind of urbanism that demands we adopt its least appealing qualities (crowding, high cost) and eschew its virtues (broadmindedness, variety). Instead, we’ve got a dense city full of scolds and micromanagers."</p>

<p>is spot on.</p>

<p>This new kind of "urbanism" that implies I must bow down and adopt crowding, condo conversions, escalating density, bad transit is precisely the reason I'm already considering moving back out of the are after having been here 5 years.</p>

<p>It's sad really.  There are so many great things about the area.  But if Seattle becomes as dense as it is predicting within the next 5 years...</p>

<p>I'm gone.</p>]]></description>
<author>Reality Check</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1021027</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1021027</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 10:09:47 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bellevue Ave</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>You're wrong about the malt liquor and 40s ECB. </p>]]></description>
<author>Bellevue Ave</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1021049</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1021049</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 10:23:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ratcityreprobate</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I remember about old Seattle that I really miss was when Boeing Field was our commercial airport and flying out on a Boeing 337 stratocruiser.  That was nice.  Most everything else is much better today.  Berger is wrong about "A few early French restaurants in Pioneer Square in the 1970's", actually there was only one and it was the only French restaurant in the City (there was another in Juanita or Kirkland).  The dining out scene here was a wasteland.  Fortunately the border crossing at Blaine was fast and a weekend in Vancouver every so often was a nice reminder that great urban living was possible in the Pacific Northwest.</p>]]></description>
<author>ratcityreprobate</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1021178</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1021178</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 11:35:30 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Quincy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>This thread seems dead but I have to say, can we ban the Britishism "spot on"?  I saw it in the comments above.  It seems affected to me.  I don't know what the point is. Can we also ban "hizzoner" to refer to the mayor of Seattle?  This one really bugs me.  I don't know what the intent of it is. Knute B used it in the item this post references and Joel C at the P-I loves to use "hizzoner."  I guess the intent is to capture some kind of 1920's New York-Chicago-LaGuardia-Daley cachet, or to try to mock some imagined inner-circle of sycophants with a bloated sense of their boss who insist on everyone calling the mayor by that title.  Well, no one around here does that.  Did they ever do that?  If not, cut it out. </p>]]></description>
<author>Quincy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1021735</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/wherein_i_tell_you_exactly_when_you_can#c1021735</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:48:57 -0800</pubDate>
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