Slog - Comments on The Obama Effect http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect There is good news for white Democratic candidates. Blacks are not only voting for Obama but also runners who are associated with his party and moment in history. The closely watched Mississippi congressional race that resulted in a terrible upset for the GOP--a Democratic candidate, Childers, took a safe Republican seat from a Republican--had this as one of its important factors: In the end, tying the white Democrat to the black presidential candidate may have helped Mr. Childers more than it hurt him, as campaign aides reported heavy black turnout, heavier than in a vote three weeks ago when he... Copyright 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:24:19 -0800 Wed, 14 May 2008 15:07:17 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by mattymatt Rah-rah-rah for Obama and everything, but ... isn't it sort of maybe a little bit racist that black voters favor Obama because he's black? We're all horrified by the white Virginians who favored Hillary because she's white.

]]> mattymatt http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024097 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024097 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:44:19 -0800 Comment by cmaceachen @1, No. As I've said before, white voters voting on the basis of race are voting against a black candidate. Black voters voting on the basis of race are voting FOR a black candidate. The former is exclusionary and racist. The latter is aspiring and hopeful.

White people in WV voting on the basis of race didn't vote for Clinton because she's white, they voted for her because Obama is black. Were he white, there would likely have been a different outcome.

]]> cmaceachen http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024110 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024110 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:59:02 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Well said. Also, I don't think blacks are voting for Obama just because he's black. Remember, six months ago, it was a commonplace that blacks WOULDN'T vote for Obama because he WASN'T black, not black like them (West African slave descendent), but would prefer Clinton, whose husband was always referred to as "our first black president".

Who turned that upside down? Clinton, by deliberately attacking black voters to win white approval.

And Obama, by being for the most part above the fray, dignified, not interested in playing the same old racial poker game that blacks feel trapped by just as much as whites. He ARTICULATES THEIR DESIRES, instead of appealing to their clan instincts. Because their desires are the same as sensible white voters: good policy, decent representation, pride in government.

Read Mary Shelton's remarks again: she's not talking about black and white. She's talking about VOTING FOR A WHITE MAN who she feels represents her views. You think Clinton's supporters in West Virginia would vote for a black man in a similar situation? Not a freaking chance.

Clinton's campaign is ALL about race at this point. It's all she has left. Obama's campaign isn't about race at all -- and that's why black voters are responding. Black voters want to be American voters just like whites, not "black voters" -- that taken-for-granted bloc that does whatever they're told by their leaders. Those days are over. Al Sharpton's style only works on white people now.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024130 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024130 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:13:53 -0800 Comment by mattymatt By voting FOR the black guy, aren't they also voting AGAINST the white lady? I guess the black racists' intentions are different, for whatever that's worth; but the effect is still to deny someone an opportunity based on race. If Hillary was black, they might've voted for her; but since she's white, they didn't.

]]> mattymatt http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024132 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024132 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:15:40 -0800 Comment by mattymatt Fnarf, as always, puts it all in perspective. Thanks -- that explanation (that to blacks, Obama represents positions of interest, not just A Fellow Black Guy) makes a lot more sense than the black racism that I've been worrying about.

]]> mattymatt http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024135 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024135 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:20:30 -0800 Comment by AMB This is all well and good, but who's going to appeal to the racist white redneck vote?

]]> AMB http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024153 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024153 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:37:16 -0800 Comment by Cato I'm sure the mailers sent out accusing the GOP candidate of being a racist had nothing to do with the high African American turnout.

]]> Cato http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024176 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024176 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:46:59 -0800 Comment by Fnarf The best way to show that Mississippi blacks aren't voting for other blacks because they're black is to point out that the guy who just won there, Travis Childers, IS NOT BLACK. HE IS A WHITE MAN. Blacks voting for whites -- it may be something, but it's NOT racism.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024226 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024226 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 11:17:14 -0800 Comment by Uncle Tom Nice try, Fnarf, but you have absolutely no clue why black people in Mississippi are voting for Obama. Or why people in West Virginia are voting against him. How many of them have you talked to lately? Thank you for playing Slog.

]]> Uncle Tom http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024446 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024446 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:10:42 -0800 Comment by tsm Those who think that blacks unhesitatingly vote for the black candidate might do well to look at how many of them voted for Al Sharpton and Carol Moseley-Braun in 2004.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024492 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024492 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:31:58 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Lifetime Slog score: Fnarf 1,001,032; Uncle Tom -4. Nice try.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024707 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/the_obama_effect#c1024707 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 15:07:17 -0800