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Thursday, May 22, 2008

Suspect Son

posted by on May 22 at 10:08 AM

The 5-year-old daughter of Grammy-winning Christian music star Steven Curtis Chapman was struck and killed Wednesday by a sport utility vehicle driven by her brother, authorities said.

Steven Curtis Chapman’s daughter was fatally struck by a sport utility vehicle driven by her brother Wednesday.

The girl, Maria, was hit in the driveway of the family’s home Wednesday afternoon by a Toyota Land Cruiser driven by her teenage brother, said Laura McPherson, a spokeswoman for the Tennessee Highway Patrol.

The brother, whose name and exact age weren’t available, apparently did not see the girl, McPherson said. No charges are expected.

“It looks like a tragic accident,” she said.

It also looks like murder to me. An all-American teenager kills, with an SUV, a Chinese girl adopted by his father? To quote the sample in St. Germain’s “Sure Thing”: “That ain’t right, that ain’t right.”

The other Chinese girls in this wholesome family better keep on eye on their American “brother.”

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Christ almighty, Charles. Low, low blow.

Posted by Dan Savage | May 22, 2008 10:25 AM

And I hope that "brother" is in quotes because you don't think a brother would do such a thing (although accidents like this are all too common), not because you don't think that a bio and an adopted kids in the same family are actually siblings.

Posted by Dan Savage | May 22, 2008 10:27 AM

Seriously, Charles. What the fuck?

Posted by Abby | May 22, 2008 10:29 AM

What a disgusting thing to infer from this story. What's wrong with you?

Posted by DConners | May 22, 2008 10:31 AM

Memo to the Stranger:

Please fire this guy already.

Posted by violet_dagrinder | May 22, 2008 10:34 AM

Damn, Charles, I almost fell for your blatant flamebaitery.

Posted by unwelcomed | May 22, 2008 10:36 AM

So hooooooooold me Jesus! Cuz my daughter is fucking dead.

Posted by tasteless | May 22, 2008 10:38 AM

So, in an attempt to mock a christian singer's tragic loss, you also slap anyone with an adoption in their family across the face? Pathetic.

Posted by very low | May 22, 2008 10:40 AM

We saw a huge GMC "Denali" SUV smack into a brick wall while trying to park on Sunday? It was funny, but seriously, you can't see a fucking thing in one of those monster trucks. That's why the insurance rates for them are so high.

Posted by elenchos | May 22, 2008 10:43 AM

Seriously, Charles? I'm usually on your side, and find even (most of) your more esoteric comments interesting... but this is seriously pathological.

How can you mock something like this?

Posted by way out of bounds | May 22, 2008 10:46 AM

You usually need to have some evidence to accuse somebody of murder, silly. When the kid sues you for defamation, you should settle out of court.

Posted by Adam | May 22, 2008 10:47 AM

Why do you guys let him post this tasteless shit?

Posted by Seriously | May 22, 2008 10:47 AM

I just want you to know, Charles...I thought this post was hilarious.

Posted by Mr. Poe | May 22, 2008 10:48 AM

Charles, your post is every bit as fucked up as “Greg’s dad passed away because Greg is a fucking faggot!

Posted by Mahtli69 | May 22, 2008 10:49 AM

Charles, if there was a way, I would set Slog on my computer to never, ever show your posts.

Posted by rb | May 22, 2008 10:52 AM

I wasn't going to post anything because so many people have expressed my opinion to an extent, but the more I thought of this post, the more upset I became. I know you think you try to provoke people to think a certain way, but this just feels like a low blow. I'm sure this boy is completely broken up by killing his sister. You're a shame to The Stranger right now.

Posted by Enigma | May 22, 2008 11:01 AM

i think no one is giving it any thought. it's clearly to everyone an accident. everyone simply accepts that that is it. why? really, think about it. why not think otherwise? i will not let this sort of thing pass in silence. i will state it so that at least it's out there. and what it if it's true? how can you prove it's not murder? i'm fucked up because i don't wholly accept the pretty picture painted by southern cops? fuck that.

Posted by charles mudede | May 22, 2008 11:03 AM

you are an embarrassment.

Posted by cw | May 22, 2008 11:04 AM

@13 Mr. Poe, you and Charles are soulmates: both deeply offensive without being even remotely funny or interesting.

Posted by Gabriel | May 22, 2008 11:04 AM

charles, i can only hope you predecease your children, so you never have to experience the loss of a child. or will you be making fun of that, too?

Posted by scary tyler moore | May 22, 2008 11:05 AM

Too soon.

and unnecessary.

Posted by michael strangeways | May 22, 2008 11:05 AM

where the fuck were all you people when charles said even more ridiculous shit? This is just par for the course and only more insensitive than his other past idiotic posts.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 11:06 AM

Charles, if that's really you posting @17, you're even more pathetic than I thought. Like Dan said, this is an incredibly low blow. You should be ashamed of yourself and The Stranger should be ashamed of having this shit appear on their blog. Fuck you.

Posted by Gabriel | May 22, 2008 11:07 AM

That's okay, Gabriel! Always a pleasure to be a chip on someones shoulder.

Posted by Mr. Poe | May 22, 2008 11:09 AM

Charles, your response @17 is beneath you. That's just ridiculous.

You're presenting a racial paranoia that cannot lead to anything other than you, holding a sign in front of Pottery Barn, denouncing the communists at the Frye Apartments.

And the post is so unthoughtful of their loss as to be misanthropic. There's nothing remotely ironic, deserved, crazy of circumstance or otherwise worthy of snark. This is just a sad story and the boy is probably beyond consolation. Is that funny? Is that good?

Disgusting display, sir.

Posted by Jubilation T. Cornball | May 22, 2008 11:10 AM

Ha ha.

Posted by Jared | May 22, 2008 11:10 AM

gabriel, how do you know i'm wrong? how? what makes you not doubt your certainty? why did it cross my mind and not yours? that is the question. sorry, sir/madam, because a person is christian, white, and adopts kids from china does not grant them an instant visa to the land of purity in my head.

Posted by charles mudede | May 22, 2008 11:11 AM


Posted by hunh? | May 22, 2008 11:12 AM

It's an extreme Christian family. Nobody knows what actually happened. It could have been anything.

How the fuck did he not see her?

Posted by Mr. Poe | May 22, 2008 11:14 AM

Charles, if this is your line of logic (@27) then any argument you make about atheism or, frankly, any other intangible aspect of life (beauty, righteousness, etc.) is a crock of shit. I always wanted to believe that there was a human core in you that matched your intellectual core, but I'm beginning to wonder.

This is a sad day for Slog.

Posted by Jubilation T. Cornball | May 22, 2008 11:15 AM

Seriously, Charles, what's up with you? I know you post a lot of shit just to get a rise out of people, but this is way beyond the pale, not remotely funny, and makes you seem pretty damn crazy.

Posted by Gabriel | May 22, 2008 11:17 AM

I love how serious this is being taken, it makes it that much better. Priceless.

Posted by Jared | May 22, 2008 11:17 AM

if this had been a white girl that was driving chaz would have already booked the flight.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 11:17 AM

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Oh, Charles.

When your EDITOR is calling you out in the first two comments, you might want to consider revising your post. Maybe throw up a LOLCAT or a geisha girl being raped by a lobster instead.

Posted by laterite | May 22, 2008 11:18 AM

Perhaps we should say Charles is exhibiting here an African tribalism that no African can ever really get beyond, and hence can't understand how a Southern, Christian white kid could really love a sister of another race.

Posted by Terry | May 22, 2008 11:20 AM

34, dan is an editor not a dictator. we do not all agree in this office. and i still stand by my position. the crime crossed my mind and not yours: why?

Posted by charles mudede | May 22, 2008 11:21 AM

@32 -- it's this funny thing called human dignity. I'm completely down with dark humor and dancing snarky-evil on the virtual (and real) graves of the deserving, but this is just stupid and sad and a tragedy that does not befit the post that Charles made.

I agree -- it is priceless when people care enough, about a stranger even, and a family who probably hates them for being gay, to defend the humanity of the dead girl, the no-doubt devastated brother and his family.

Posted by Jubilation T. Cornball | May 22, 2008 11:23 AM

Charles @17 - if this happened in a driveway in Seattle instead of Nashville, would you be more suspect about the circumstances or less? I think you need to examine your general loathing of people you like to refer to as "fucking hicks," because you embarrass yourself with these sorts of posts.

Posted by Joe M | May 22, 2008 11:23 AM

@35 -- intriguing. Or, more in keeping with the tone here today: Why did this cross your mind and not Charles's?

Posted by Jubilation T. Cornball | May 22, 2008 11:26 AM

in most people's mind, the people in that middle class picture that you posted dont commit the crimes that you are speculating about.

had you posted a picture of poor, stringy greasy hair whites or urban blacks than i would bet the responses on this slog might be different, though non of the self righteous posters would admit that; and maybe youre right and if they had looked different the southern cops might investigate deeper.

but the south is a mighty big place and you didnt even provide a link as to where this accident took place. or how deep the investigation was.

that said, backing up and tragically killing somebody is quite a common ocurrence and that is what most likely happened here. you always hear people say, watch out for the kids when youre backing up.

i see your badly made point, but you also have to admit its a wee tasteless and it takes a swipe at families who adopt unwanted kids, and it did not help that you posted no links to provide context. for all we know the kid was a loving and caring brother. i mean you can speculate about anything if you dont provide context.

if anything, children should beware of SUV's.

by the way charles, you really need to start posting on the massacres of zimbabweans by south african murder gangs. the army is out now and the xenophobia is just out of control there.

i know that youre cozy and all here in sea town, but do try to keep it real. i cant beleive that a people whot sheltered so many south africans during apartheid are now being treated like dogs.

it breaks my heart.

Posted by SeMe | May 22, 2008 11:27 AM

@27 and 29

It isn't about you being 100% wrong. But it's completely logical to first say right off the bat it was probably an accident. Don't tell me you have never heard of a family accidentally running over a dog as they were backing up? How bout a truck backing up, and a child running in from behind it?
Or, hell, ever heard of a BLIND SPOT? The kid is a teenage driver, the age group with the highest amount of accidents.

Why, why, why would you immediately hop to murder? Cause he's white and she's adopted? Cause they're a Christian family? Cause it's hilarious to add the other sisters had "better watch out?" This post couldn't POSSIBLY have waited a few days? Waited for a little bit more news or evidence? Are you that desperate to prove yourself intellectually you would declare a probably horrifying accident a murder in the wake of a family tragedy, as a pissing contest with the town's police?!

The sweet, sweet irony would be for you to accidentally run over a very small child tonight 'cause you were too distracted telling all your friends on your cell phone what a bunch of idiots the Slog posters are.

Posted by Marty | May 22, 2008 11:27 AM

@chaz @36

the reason no one else had the thought or voiced it is because they arent hellbent on making the most specious connections possible, then thinking they warrant posting on slog.

this is what you do over and over again; first you take one subject than impose some kind of racial/marxist/starwars/boobies/modernist context or connection over it. you don't move from those general categories and everything winds up being a predictable logic absent post that we can safely read past. the only thing that makes this worse for some people is that someone died.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 11:29 AM

@36: I usually enjoy your posts, especially those that ponder and ask questions to find the meaning or ultimate truth behind the subject at hand. Respectfully though, this time you have inserted your head so far into your belly button that it is emerging from your rear end. There is no deeper meaning or knowledge to be extracted here. It's a tragic event that just *happened*. Just the intersection of a course of events between two closely linked persons. It's that family's burden to bear.

Posted by laterite | May 22, 2008 11:35 AM

i've never a slog post before that i wanted to see deleted til now. sad.

Posted by hahnsolo | May 22, 2008 11:35 AM

@ 39

Because I hoped the juxtaposition might make Charles reconsider the lack of humanity in his assessment of the situation.

Posted by Terry | May 22, 2008 11:36 AM

Because they are so popular as family cars SUVs back over more children thn any other vehicle. There is a blind spot of 25 feet behind the larger ones. Yet another reason to avoid owning one.

Posted by inkweary | May 22, 2008 11:41 AM

Mandatory for the average Mudede post:

"I usually enjoy your posts, Charles. But-"

"I usually hate your posts, Charles. But-"

"Charles, I'm usually the one first to defend your posts, but-"

"Wow, I'm actually agreeing with you."

"Seriously, Charles, what's up with you?"

Posted by Mr. Poe | May 22, 2008 11:42 AM

I usually don't like Mudede's posts, but this crosses a line. I can only guess that the other Stranger writers are embarrassed to have this post on their blog. Just disgusting.

Posted by PJ | May 22, 2008 11:42 AM

Poe calls the shot and hits it a mile.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 11:44 AM

I'm with @15.

Posted by Lola | May 22, 2008 11:44 AM

Charles, I hope you're killed by a white person driving an SUV someday.

Now, did I mean that? No, of course not.

But I hope the shock of that statement was enough to knock some sense into your stupid head.

You go on and on about asking the question of how we can so dismiss the idea that this tragedy was anything but an accident. "How could he not have seen her?" your one and only disciple claims.

Ever had your bike run over that you had left out on the sidewalk? I have. Lots of people have.

As for your ridiculous statement about how you don't believe a white christian family that adopts babies from china is exempt from bad thinking and instantly gets a visa to the "land of purity" - you need PROOF to back up a moronic statement like "Seems like murder to me" Do you have any? Any reports of police being called in towards disturbances to their address? Of public fights between the brother and his sisters? No you don't, cuz you would've posted them.

Excuse me but who the fuck are you? Are you a detective? A coroner? No, you write for a blog - you're the equivalent to a die hard CSI fan that thinks he can prove OJ was innocent. Yes yes yes, the white people are the devil and all that, blah blah blah, oppression - you really need to grow up, learn some empathy, hell some sympathy as well and realize you're no better than Perez Hilton when you write garbage just to get noticed for it.

You really should be ashamed of yourself and even if you aren't the FACT remains that you are pathetic dude.

Posted by darek | May 22, 2008 11:45 AM

@47,49 : Indeed. I don't quite know why I felt the need to stroke his hand like that just now. This was just an awful post. Period.

Posted by laterite | May 22, 2008 11:47 AM

Actually Chaz is the Perez Hilton of The Stranger.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 11:48 AM

@36 - Charles, the reason it never crossed my mind (or most others) is because there is no evidence, based on that article, to assume that it was intentional. You have a strong prejudice against white people if you automatically assume that this kid killed his SISTER because she's Chinese.

Let's see: basing your views on your own prejudices against people and feelings that are totally unsupported by known facts? You sound like a Republican or a Christian (yeah, I know, that's redundant).

But hey, you're getting a lot of replies, and that's what it's all about for you, isn't it? Hack.

Posted by sleestak | May 22, 2008 11:48 AM

@27 - If you were going to murder someone, would you do it with a car at low speed in a driveway? You could probably try that 10 times and fail to actually kill in at least 8 of the attempts. Sorry, nothing about this story sounds fishy.

Posting this, while challenging others to prove innocence as opposed to you proving guilt (or even offering some compelling evidence to support your accusation), is strictly National Enquirer bullshit. Totally beneath you, or so I thought.

Posted by Mahtli69 | May 22, 2008 11:48 AM

Really, really poor taste.

Posted by Katelyn | May 22, 2008 11:49 AM

yet another gem from Chucky, seriously man, grow the fuck up you racist shit

Posted by Wurm | May 22, 2008 11:50 AM

Charles Mudede; Parental Child Molestor?

Why hasn't that crossed anyone elses mind?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 11:51 AM

Charles did you not post this on purpose? Its from the AP:

"Several family members witnessed the accident, which happened in Williamson County just south of Nashville. The girl died later at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, hospital spokeswoman Laurie Holloway said."

Posted by SeMe | May 22, 2008 11:51 AM

I liked it.

Posted by Fnarf | May 22, 2008 11:52 AM

This post is so sad and disappointing. Charles, you're a fucking reptile.

Posted by meh | May 22, 2008 11:57 AM

LMAO! Good call, Mr. Poe. (see post 48)

Seriously though, this was tasteless, but why is everyone taking it so personally? This reminds me of the crazy fried chicken post from last week (or whenever that was). There are hardly any details to this story in the news, so no one really knows what happened. Further investigation by authorities could reveal that Charles Mudede was right. Or not.

Posted by DanFan | May 22, 2008 11:57 AM

Fuck this shit, asshole.

I'm a daily reader of Slog. Or was. I think I'm done.

The Stranger should think long and hard about this guy and this post.

Posted by done | May 22, 2008 12:01 PM

What the frack! This one should have been deleted.

These are good people going through a horrible tragedy. C'mon!

FWIW for those who want to learn more about the Chapman family:

Posted by eugene | May 22, 2008 12:02 PM

it shouldnt be deleted because it is insensitive. it should be deleted because it is full of chaz's typical presumptive bullshit where he possess the absolute truth in the matter.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 12:03 PM
Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 12:09 PM

Dan, is that the extent of your response to this thoughtless, racist and exceedingly vicious post? That's pretty damn weak from the guy at the top.

For what it's worth, I won't be reading Slog any longer. Nor the Stranger.

Posted by tomcat98109 | May 22, 2008 12:16 PM

I just think someone has been watching too much Monk or Matlock lately. I have, and everything I see reminds me of murder, too.

@63 - really? One offensive post and you're done? If I applied that standard in my life, I'd have no friends, no reading material, no TV to watch, and nowhere to work.

Posted by Tizzle | May 22, 2008 12:23 PM
For what it's worth, I won't be reading Slog any longer. Nor the Stranger.

1.) Good. See ya.
2.) Oh, but you're lying.
3.) You'll be back tomorrow. Or in twenty minutes.


Posted by Mr. Poe | May 22, 2008 12:23 PM

If you're done with Slog because Chaz says something unbelievably fucking stupid, we don't want you here anyway. Thick skins, damn it!

(Did I mention this post is incredibly fucking stupid?)

Posted by Abby | May 22, 2008 12:31 PM

Typical black. Not to be taken seriously. In the same vein as "Rev" Wright.

Posted by bleh | May 22, 2008 12:34 PM


Posted by Nay | May 22, 2008 12:35 PM

Very racist post.

Posted by PC | May 22, 2008 12:36 PM

WTF? Have you ever known anyone who was adopted, or seen how they interacted with their families? I have two brothers. They're both adopted. They're both Asian. They're my _brothers_. I sometimes have to do some explaining about why we're all different colors, and they have to deal with abandonment issues, etc., etc. But they're my _brothers_. Race has nothing to do with it.

Could it have been intentional? Sure. Is there anything in the story to indicate it's likely? Nope. Should the police investigate? Absolutely.

Know something about what the fuck you're saying before you accuse someone of murder.


Posted by Laura | May 22, 2008 12:38 PM

My guess is that Stranger writers are ranked on how many Slog comments they get, and it's about time for Chuck's yearly performance review. ECB's is also coming up, but she's more of a grind than Chuck, so she started her "get more comments" strategy months ago.

Posted by mistermix | May 22, 2008 12:39 PM

Shit ----->Fan

Posted by Non | May 22, 2008 12:41 PM

When one of your writers makes a post like this and scores of people comment - almost all outraged - within a couple hours, it becomes the obligation of The Stranger's bosses - Savage, or Keck, whichever - to address this.

I think we deserve a post on Slog as to whether The Stranger supports this post or not. And if not, whether Charles will be reprimanded in any way.

I know it's all fun and games here, but not this time.

The Stranger claims to be Seattle's only newspaper. This blog is an extension of the newspaper. Now is the time to hold yourself to a newspaper's standard.

Posted by a request for Savage/Keck/whoever | May 22, 2008 12:50 PM

@ 36 said "the crime crossed my mind and not yours: why?"

because you're a self-important psuedo-intellectual instigator looking anywhere for attention? or a sociopath who has considered doing what he insinuates this kid did?

@54 is right - hack. i won't stop reading slog, but i'll know to skip anything with your name on it.

Posted by momster | May 22, 2008 12:52 PM

It saddens to me that a Toyota was involved. I love my Toyota.

Posted by jackie treehorn | May 22, 2008 12:54 PM

This is pretty much it for me too. The death of a 5-year-old in a tragic accident is an opportunity for amusement and a cheap religious act. It's disgusting and not the least bit funny.

Posted by left coast | May 22, 2008 12:55 PM

Don't listen to these people Charles. That's EXACTLY the first thing I thought when I read this yesterday, because I'M FROM THE SOUTH. The rest of you apparently don't understand the depth of racism and hatred that runs through every set of good Christian veins.

Posted by Emily | May 22, 2008 1:02 PM

Emily, are people from the south universally stupid? Your opinion seems to confirm it.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 1:05 PM

@77 OMG - Dramatize much? It's an alt weekly. Personally, I read it for entertainment (I like it better than The City Pages - the Twin Cities' alt paper)and I look at CNN, MSNBC, and Kare11 for actual news.

This post was in poor taste, but get over it, people. Seriously. Go donate to the starving children in Africa or something. Or since you're such ardent Mudede-haters maybe you don't want to donate to Africans. Donate to China's earthquake relief efforts. This little girl was Chinese; it's fitting, don't ya think?

Posted by DanFan | May 22, 2008 1:05 PM

Dan posts a drawing of Muhammad being blown by a toddler and raping Anne Frank - and your collective reaction? I've seen some ignorant, narrow-minded comments to previous posts, but today's outpouring takes the cake. Is everyone on Capitol Hill an overly sensitive, thoughtless moron, or is it only Slog readers? Take heart Charles, the inbred yokels who are attacking you today are not in your league intellectually. Savage, give this man a raise. He and Schmader (and oftentimes Graves) are the only staffers that seem to have a brain in your outfit. And to all of you outraged Sloggers - GROW UP!

Posted by Give Chuck a raise! | May 22, 2008 1:18 PM

@81 - Really? The south is so racist that families often adopt kids of different ethnicities so that they can kill them? I'm no fan of the south, but people like you and Charles are NO DIFFERENT from the racist southerners you so dislike. Their hatred (and Charles') is based on skin color, while yours is based on geography. Get a grip.

Posted by sleestak | May 22, 2008 1:18 PM

Emily @ 81

This little brown girl from Texas completely disagrees with your hamfisted generalization of southerners. Not only am I Mexican I am jewish, and nobody ever tried to run me over with their SUV in the name of lord. Actually I was more ostracized by the cholas than I was by anyone.

Posted by Jewritto | May 22, 2008 1:23 PM

@85 - Playing the Devil's Advocate here, but I'm pretty sure the parents were the ones that adopted the girls, not the son who ran one of them over. Perhaps there was turmoil within the family involving bio kids who resented the adopted ones? Who knows? No one knows the family dynamic except the family and perhaps those close to them, and no one's saying anything at this point.

I agree with #84. It is always entertaining to see which subjects will spark such "controversy" and which ones get a tired, "Whatever."

Posted by DanFan | May 22, 2008 1:26 PM

If anything, Charles's follow-up comments to this post are even more damning than the original post, illustrative of someone completely losing their grip.

The options are:

1) He actually believes what he's writing, in which case he's far nuttier than I imagined.

2) He just thinks this is funny, showing that he's a witless douche (along with Poe and Fnarf, apparently).

3) His highest aspiration is just to piss people off.

In any case, it doesn't reflect well on Charles or The Stranger.

Posted by Gabriel | May 22, 2008 1:26 PM

One down, two to go...

Posted by Blondie | May 22, 2008 1:26 PM

@77 If The Stranger is an alt-weekly (which it is) and, as you imply, an alt-weekly is different than a newspaper, then The Stranger should take the word "newspaper" off its cover and Web site. Simple as that.

Posted by a request | May 22, 2008 1:30 PM

DanFan, Charles might be a child molester. It's obvious he has no regard for children and family so i wouldn't put it past him to be raping his children and charging others to have sex with them. Who knows? Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 1:36 PM

I have slowed down on posting on this blog. Only because I see no change for the better in what some people post.
Charles seems to never change never becoming more tolerant and understanding, he just keeps posting things that have a racist or sexist slant. In this case he points out his inability to trust white people in a mixed race situation, a family.
I thought I was imagining this in his posts but like I said some people are not changing for the better but for the worse and that is all I see regarding Charles. This blog like many blogs has cowards hiding behind anonymous posts taunting people and some people that we do know that seem to like taunting like a bully. Is this the ego being fed an endless feast of gratification based upon pissing off people by inflicting some form pain.
Thre is only one good thing I can say about Charles and the staff of the Stranger and that is they are known and have to defend their posts in some way. But many here are not known and this causes some out of control smart ass taunting that has no real point to make except some form of self gratification. Like masturbating all over an original post so that others can see the mess and chaos you can create. Blogs prove they are a magnet for slobs looking to shoot/post anonymously. They are equal posts by someone that is not anonymous like Charles has done here. Blatantly arrogant he does not masturbate anonymously he does it in full view just to see the reaction of others.

If this had been a black kid accidently running over an asian kid would you have posted anything? That is a question that points to the root problem. This is not about the possibility of this kid committing murder it is about your desire to find something racist and you have done it regardless of this families sadness. You have accused someone of murder based upon the fact he is white and the girl dead is Asian. Trying to make something racist out of someone else's sadness is pathetic.
I live in a neighborhood where there is a mix of races living, white, Asian, black, East Indian and indigenous kids all go to school here. They all get along.
You dealing in a better way with your racism would be a positive change but it does not seem to be happening because of your obsession with being right or just posting to annoy.
I still read some topics on the Slog but part of me feels it is a waste of my time reading posts by arrogant jerks not assuming any responsibility for what they say. It all seems to be done just to be smug and piss people off not to actually change anything for the better by making an intelligent point.

Posted by -B- | May 22, 2008 1:39 PM

@90 - Have you ever actually picked up a copy of The Stranger and read it? Or read the "news" on The Stranger's website? Or do you just get on slog? The general purpose of blogs is to convey an opinion about something (e.g., news) and open up a forum of communication about that particular bit of information. Alt weeklies aren't exactly the conveyers of National Headlines. They do present "news" in the loose sense of the word (e.g. local events, local news) but not the kind of news you're talking about, and certainly not up-to-the-minute. The wood chipper guy Dan posted about this afternoon is "old" news. I heard about it on Monday on one of the radio morning shows here in MN. Chances are, most of the people who read Charle's post had already heard about this unfortunate family through some other media outlet. It's not like he's a CNN reporter posting a "Breaking News: Biological Son Murders Adopted Daughter!" headline on a mainstream news website. Get it together, take a deep breath, and click on that little X in the upper right-hand corner of your screen. Easy!

Posted by DanFan | May 22, 2008 1:44 PM

Charles, you are a racist. It's as simple as that. Your obsession with skin color affects not only your professional judgement, but your entire world outlook. If this dead little girl had not been born in China, you would not have made this post. Your inference that this was a racially motivated murder is beyond reprehensible, and in sad, bad, and exceedingly stupid taste. You should be ashamed of yourself.

The Stranger and its readers deserve better than paranoic drivel from a racist writer.

Posted by merry | May 22, 2008 1:47 PM

Ditto pretty much everything above. Weird race fantasy inferred from a scant story. Unless there are details about the death availabe that aren't in this posting, this is truly one of the most f-ed up, insensitive pieces I've seen come out of SLOG.

Posted by robo | May 22, 2008 1:51 PM

@91 - Maybe he is; maybe he's not. Who knows? Let's do a blog posting and discuss it. Your blog or mine? :-)

You have to admit - The Stranger has a very diverse staff, which does make for some very interesting (and controversial) posts and comments. They must be doing something right for the same people to keep coming back. They've got the Mudede-haters, the Barnett-haters, the life-haters (I haven't seen ecce in awhile) but they all come back just the same. Gluttons for punishment? My personal opinion is that the people who say, "I'm done with Slog" just come back under a different name. I can't...resist...the SLOOOOGGG...

Posted by DanFan | May 22, 2008 1:53 PM

but the thing most of you are missing is that this is something charles always does! He inventions racial tension and context where it doesnt exist.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 1:53 PM

Wow. Please have Paul Constant review this novel.

Posted by QuimbyMcF | May 22, 2008 1:53 PM

inventions racial

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 1:55 PM

Charles, why did it cross your mind and not ours?

I'm gonna go with:

Your adolescent reliance on your raw intelligence as a way of defining yourself in an unfriendly world has fermented into an intellectually arrogant and mindbendingly cynical worldview, wherein you believe yourself to have some unique and superior perspective, when, in actuality, there are lots of us who are just as smart and thoughtful and aware as you, but probably more humane and empathetic, who do not automatically assume that a heartbreaking accident was somehow a cultural microcosm, an agar upon which all western pathology bloomed, or even something so simple as an ugly example of racism in action.

I hope that helps.

Posted by violet_dagrinder | May 22, 2008 1:57 PM

I don't understand why everyone is saying "oh, oh, it's in such poor taste", as if poor taste was some kind of bad thing.

Posted by Fnarf | May 22, 2008 1:58 PM

See, this is what happens when you teach a monkey to type.

Posted by Charles can leave now | May 22, 2008 2:01 PM

@100 - Yes Yes Yes!!

Posted by merry | May 22, 2008 2:02 PM

Fnarf, bad taste can be perfectly fine when it's genuinely funny, insightful or has some other redeemable quality. This post is just mean, baseless and pointless.

Posted by Gabriel | May 22, 2008 2:12 PM

I'm sure junior knows how much it costs to adopt a Chinese girl -- mom wmight ant to get a couple to replace her.

It's very hard to look behind you in one of those things -- that's why so many come with rear view cameras now. Back in the day, mail trucks were notorious for backing up over kids. That's why they have what looks to be a pot lid mirror on the back, and why phone company drivers put traffic cones behind the vehicle, to force them to check for little kids who might get hurt.

Posted by better safe than sorry | May 22, 2008 2:13 PM

Well...what other posts garner over 100 comments?
Simply put...he's selling advertisement.

Posted by jean genie | May 22, 2008 2:19 PM

#53 still wins out of 100+ comments

if this had been a white girl that was driving chaz would have already booked the flight.

Posted by Non | May 22, 2008 2:25 PM

fnarf, things in bad taste usually don't need to be defended using ambiguity as the central point of your defense

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 2:36 PM

Wow, I never thought so many White Christians read the slog and it makes me wonder if they are more concerned about the young girls death or that maybe just maybe a Christian would do something wrong on purpose.

Posted by ponder this | May 22, 2008 2:37 PM

I'm pretty sure Chaz is bipolar. There's these delusions of power and control accompanied by violent fantasies. He also has some anger issues related to women, which indicate that he is either impotent, abused by his mother or has just been turned by white women so many times that the resentment has reached a boiling point.

Posted by left coast | May 22, 2008 2:45 PM

ponder this, did you seriously just make the assumption that only white christians would point out how half brained charles presumption is? is your world really so polarized that the only people who disagree with a faulty premise are the people condemned by the faulty premise?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 2:49 PM

OMG it must suck to be you Charles.

Posted by Epimetheus | May 22, 2008 2:51 PM

@109 -
I honestly don't think a single person here is attacking Charles because they are a Christian or because they don't believe that a Christian would do something wrong on purpose. Due to the anti-religious bias of Slog, I suspect the opposite is true. Charles brought this straw man up too @29. People are attacking Charles' post because it is racist, mean-spirited, and arrogant for reasons already articulated here many times.

Posted by PJ | May 22, 2008 2:53 PM

click bait $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Posted by some dude | May 22, 2008 2:57 PM

Racist, as in a white person did the killing I mean accident. what if it was a person of color who accidently ran over their white adopted sibling.

Posted by ponder this | May 22, 2008 3:04 PM

Conviction rates for black people are much higher than the conviction rates for white people. The vast majority of people in jail who are exonerated due to DNA evidence are black.

I'm fine with letting Charles assume this all-American white boy is guilty, as long as the actual people in power in this country assume all the black boys are guilty.

Posted by poppy | May 22, 2008 3:12 PM

@115 - Then Charles wouldn't have posted anything. That's the point.

Posted by sleestak | May 22, 2008 3:14 PM

Good point, ponder this. As I see it, the only way race factors into this is in the mind of Charles Mudede. If it was a person of color accidently killed their white adopted sibling it would be just as sickening for Charles to turn this into a racial issue. The accidental death of a child is every parent's worst nightmare regardless of race.

Posted by PJ | May 22, 2008 3:14 PM

ponder shit. where did charles even hint at there being a plausible double standard due to race in believability of the story?

charles defended himself claiming that since all the facts arent in, he is going to presume that it was murder and a cover up. without any of the facts we do have supporting that presumption.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 3:14 PM

Still. Maybe he did run her down.

Posted by elenchos | May 22, 2008 3:15 PM

poppy, that is one of the most retarded things i've ever read. but i'm not surprised that you wrote it.

do you excuse ludicrous notions of muslims because the United States have fucked over the middle east time and time again?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 3:21 PM

Yes, this country has problems with racism, no one here would deny that, but using the tragic death of a child as a stepping stone to that rickety old soapbox is so wrong, beyond that, it's just ineffective.

Posted by so sad | May 22, 2008 3:29 PM

What's wrong with being mean, baseless, and pointless? Seriously, people. Get a grip.

Remember when Erica posted that cripples shouldn't be allowed to ride the bus? How many comments did that one get? 200? You got a ways to go, Charles.

Posted by Fnarf | May 22, 2008 3:35 PM

..and I thought your snobby analysis of Vampire Weekend was low. You, sir, are an idiot.

Posted by Bryce Beamish | May 22, 2008 3:36 PM


Retarded. Right.

Posted by keshmeshi | May 22, 2008 3:44 PM

still have a grudge against me kesh?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 3:49 PM

#121: Yes, I excuse Iraqis or Afghanis who hate the US because the US killed their family or wrongfully imprisoned them.

I don't excuse them from, say, killing or imprisoning Americans unjustly. Charles isn't doing that to white people, though. Judges & juries are doing that to black people.

Posted by poppy | May 22, 2008 3:49 PM

Charles @27:

why did it cross my mind and not yours?

Possibly because we're not in a country that routinely murders, as a matter of course, the people it dislikes. That may be your experience in South Africa, but you're not there now.

Accidents DO happen. Your original post is an outstanding example of that statement.

Posted by Wolf | May 22, 2008 3:59 PM

Was chaz wrongfully imprisoned or attacked by white people? Has chaz ever been accused of a crime because of the color of his skin? What have white people done to chaz to warrant his baseless and stupid presumptions?

you're basically excusing the action and attitudes of a party that is part of one demographic because other members of the same demographic have been wrongly imprisoned.

hold chaz accountable for the thinking individual he is, not the supposedly oppressed black man he parades around as.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 4:08 PM

Why not think murder? Occam's razor. Over the course of years, white kid develops simmering racist hatred of Asian sisters, plots to kill one of them in the driveway and make it look like an accident, thereby protecting family's sqeaky-clean Christian image? Complicated. Kid doesn't see sister behind car? Simple. In the U.S., a child is fatally backed over in a driveway every few days, on average. In a summer blockbuster, the complicated explanation would turn out to be the right one: how else to generate plot? But real life doesn't have plot. It has random awful shit.

Posted by A in NC | May 22, 2008 4:10 PM

Obviously the boy was distraught over that horrible "tv christian" haircut he was forced to be photographed with.

Posted by beelzebufo | May 22, 2008 4:11 PM

This really is a horrible and shitty post. It is the antithesis of human kindness.

Posted by John Pontoon | May 22, 2008 4:21 PM

@ 130:

Why not think murder?

Alternately, why think so?

Occam's razor.

Which states, basically, that "all other things equal, the simplest solution is the best one."

Like, maybe, an ACCIDENT.

white kid develops simmering racist hatred of Asian sisters,

...for what POSSIBLE reason?...

plots to kill one of them in the driveway and make it look like an accident

You're seeing boogeymen and ghosts where they don't most likely exist, and projecting your own biases.

Posted by Wolf | May 22, 2008 4:27 PM

Wolf @ 133:

I fear the meaning of my comment has slipped past you unapprehended. (That is to say, duh.)

Posted by A in NC | May 22, 2008 4:31 PM

I post not to call Charles an asshole, but to state what has long been obvious: Bellevue Ave sure does need a bran muffin.

Posted by tsm | May 22, 2008 4:34 PM

All together now:

Fire Mudede Now.

Posted by Ryno | May 22, 2008 4:35 PM

@ 134:

...and that's your fear. Just as Charles' fear is that South Africa retribution has come to the USA.

Accidents happen, they don't always have to have some sinister undercurrent.

Posted by Wolf | May 22, 2008 4:36 PM

tsm, hand em over.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 4:42 PM

Actually, now that I've re-read it, this makes you sound like a blinding, stunning conspiracy-theorist-tin-foil-hat fool:

Why not think murder? Occam's razor. Over the course of years, white kid develops simmering racist hatred of Asian sisters, plots to kill one of them in the driveway and make it look like an accident, thereby protecting family's sqeaky-clean Christian image?

Occam disputes you. And your assertion is at best idiotic, when compared with a simple accident. Don't even try to tell us you've never made any.

To paraphrase Occam, so you can get it, the simplest answer is usually the real/best one.

If the family wanted your "sqeaky (sic) clean image," they wouldn't have adopted foreign born kids in the first place.

Posted by Wolf | May 22, 2008 4:42 PM

Wolf, you completely misread what he posted. he was presenting the complicated version of events that are wrong according to occams razor and sarcastically said simple. then he posted that awful random shit happens but there isnt a story in that.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 4:47 PM

Wolf @139 and @137, stop. You're still misreading AinNC's post. You're both saying the same thing--you just don't realize it. You're on the same side in this.

Posted by sleestak | May 22, 2008 4:48 PM

best Mudede post in months!

Posted by j-zeezer | May 22, 2008 4:53 PM

Mudede Paranoia-o-meter: 9/10.

I still think his post about the "band-aid conspiracy" tops this one.

Posted by rexmundane | May 22, 2008 5:03 PM

This post was just cruel. I like poor taste in my humor, but this is just stupid.

Charles, cui bono?

I don't get what the motive for murder would be here? I mean, a 5 year old girl asian girl? Who the hell has a vendetta against any 5 year old?

And if we are basing this on White Priveldge, isn't it the boy who has it and not the girl? In your little racist-fantasy-land, doesn't the boys natural societal advantages make it pointless to commit murder?

Sick, dude. I hope they sue you for libel.

And I hope that your daughters will remain safe and healthy and never have to experience this kind of tragedy. No one should suffer the loss of a child. No one deserves to die in an accident. Not even remorseless self-loathing f*ckheads like you.

Posted by mcFly | May 22, 2008 5:05 PM

I would really like to know why The Stranger continues to pay this man. It's not just that he's an ass, his posts are often full of racist, sexist, drivel. It amazes me that the editors of this publication continue to associate themselves with this kind of crap, although I'm glad to see that Dan Savage was at least upset by it. This post just makes me feel grossed out and sad.

Posted by Jenn | May 22, 2008 5:06 PM

I'm sorry, gang, my "sensitive irony meter" must be broken. I didn't, and still don't, see the irony in those posts.

And I'm FAR from stupid or vague. I may not be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but I was at least second-brightest in a class of 2400. Proves nothing, I know.

I live in a place where this attitude of "foreigners = bad" is still all too prevalent, and near a state that voted Hillary over Barack based on race--and the voters admitted it. So please forgive me if I'm a little over-sensitive and maybe humorless (or maybe you don't know how to tell a joke--or could be both).

I apologize (GASP! A first for a Slogger!) if I read you wrong. And if I didn't, well, the previous posts apply.

I just find it absurd that anyone, regardless of affiliation, would intentionally destroy another person in his own family.

And, like I said, forgive me if I read you wrong.

Posted by Wolf | May 22, 2008 5:12 PM

And apparently I'm not the only one who "misunderstood," between 141 and 146. But sorry if I or you were misunderstood.

Posted by Wolf | May 22, 2008 5:17 PM

Jenn @145: The reason The Stranger continues to employ this man is because he produces intelligent, thought-provoking work. Clearly, thinking outside of your simple preconceptions is too challenging for you (and apparently for a great many slog readers). That's fine -- the world needs ditch diggers too. But don't feel that you have the right to tell others how to think or feel. Just because a question offends your delicate sensitivities doesn't mean that it shouldn't be asked. Kudos to Charles for asking these uncomfortable questions. Shame on you for expecting others to be as close-minded as you.

Posted by A Charles Fan | May 22, 2008 5:23 PM

Wolf, I'll try again with less compression:

Why [are most commenters here] not think[ing that the Chapman event was a] murder? [Because the principle known as] Occam's razor [suggests otherwise].

[The scenario CM is proposing is something like this this:] Over the course of years, white kid develops simmering racist hatred of Asian sisters, plots to kill one of them in the driveway and make it look like an accident, thereby protecting family's sq[u]eaky-clean Christian image? [Wow, that's a really] Complicated [explanation].

[Here's an alternate scenario:] Kid doesn't see sister behind car? [That is a much more] Simple [explanation. Therefore it is more likely to be correct].

In the U.S., a child is fatally backed over in a driveway every few days, on average. [If we keep this fact in mind, the Chapman event seems less startling and less in need of complex explanations.]

In a summer blockbuster, the complicated explanation would turn out to be the right one: how else to generate plot? But real life doesn't have plot. It has random awful shit. [CM would like to make this a meaningful story about racism, but it is more likely a meaningless tragedy.]


Posted by A in NC | May 22, 2008 5:28 PM

@148 - "A Charles Fan"? That must be Charles.

There is nothing intelligent about Charles' post. There's no big thinking going on there. He posted that to be inflammatory.

Charles strikes me as a guy who's fairly intelligent, but has figured out that disguising your pointless writing as being deep and philosophical by keeping it nonsensical and vague tricks people into thinking you're brilliant and misunderstood. He's the guy in college who has a didgeridoo. You're apparently the girl at a party in college who's impressed by the guy with the didgeridoo.

Posted by sleestak | May 22, 2008 5:33 PM


Um, this wasn't intellegent. And the only thoughts it provoked were digust and anger. That doesn't make it thought provoking.

simple preconceptions? Eff you. You think because you took a few courses in college that made you feel guilty about your own life, and superior to the average white person; that being upset about a person's natural revultion to sociopathic drivel is being simplistic...

Yeah, there exist disparities in this nation that are pretty f-cked up, and need to be dealt with.

Asking tough questions about a boy killing his 5 year old sister in front of his family does not include insinuating there was a murder.

Go feel guilty elsewhere. Let the normal people grieve and have sympathy. Let the police figure out what is the crime.

Posted by mcFly | May 22, 2008 5:34 PM

Total overreaction to an example of run-of-the-mill offensiveness here on Slog.

P.S. tsm, you rock.

Posted by Irena | May 22, 2008 5:48 PM

The scenario CM is proposing is something like this this: Over the course of years, white kid develops simmering racist hatred of Asian sisters, plots to kill one of them in the driveway and make it look like an accident, thereby protecting family's sq[u]eaky-clean Christian image? (Wow, that's a really) Complicated {explanation}.

(Here's an alternate scenario:)Kid doesn't see sister behind car? (That is a much more} Simple (explanation. Therefore it is more likely to be correct.

So we DO agree here, that it was most likely an accident? It took long enough to get there.

A in NC, I'm on your side, as it turns out. But I still think Belleview is full of crap, just on principle. And with this, I need to go to sleep.

Posted by Wolf | May 22, 2008 5:52 PM

@150: Bravo on the didgeridoo comment. Classic. One of the funnier comments I've seen on this thread. But alas, no, I'm not Charles. In fact, I disagree with a majority of his opinions. I also agree with you that he is often too quick to employ cheap parlor tricks to make a point. But really, even cheap parlor tricks seem to be too much for this crowd. And I don't really think that it's a facile exercise to point out that gee, what happened COULD look like a murder. He didn't state that it was, but raising the question seems to me to be both valid and legitimate.

@151: Unlike the commenter above, you are obviously an idiot. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand.

Posted by A Charles Fan | May 22, 2008 5:56 PM

If he goes after the other two with that Jeep, you all are going to be so embarrassed.

Posted by elenchos | May 22, 2008 6:05 PM

The post was hysterical...even more so that my first thought when reading it was "BAve must've blown a fucking gasket and not gotten a lick of work done today."

ahh yes, score well Charles.

Posted by gnossos | May 22, 2008 6:07 PM

@154 - No, he didn't state that it was a murder, but he did say that it looks like one to him. On what basis did he make this judgment? There's nothing in the article that would lead anyone to that conclusion, and as another commenter mentioned, another article says that there were multiple witnesses.

This kid is, in all likelihood, going through a hellish time right now: one that very few of us will ever experience. He just killed his little sister. And for Charles to speculate that he probably did it on purpose based solely on their differing races (drawn, of course, from Charles' own prejudices against whites), is not intelligent in any way. Intelligent is looking objectively at a set of facts and drawing an appropriate conclusion. What he did is the opposite of intelligent.

Posted by sleestak | May 22, 2008 6:34 PM

@ 149: I suppose, when you're defeated, the easiest target is someone else's bowels. Congratulations, you've bathed yourself in shit.

Love ya...


Posted by Wolf | May 22, 2008 6:46 PM

"to be both valid and legitimate."

No my friend, I am not the idiot.

Posted by mcFly | May 22, 2008 7:07 PM

I really, really would like to hear what The Stranger / Savage / Keck feels about this post and its appropriateness.

If The Stranger is anything like my paper, this had to go through an editor, who made a judgment that it was OK to post, just like thousands of journalism decisions around the country every day.

I'd like to know if that happened. And I'd like to know if The Stranger stands behind this post. Simple.

It won't happen. We won't hear from these people. But I wish we would.

Posted by seriously | May 22, 2008 7:27 PM

Not Funny...

Charles you disgust me!

Posted by mj | May 22, 2008 8:33 PM

@151 & 159: Originally wrote "appropriate and legitimate" -- but there were too many "ates". Changed one, but rushed past the other. I understand how someone as "intellegent" as you would look upon such a typo with "digust" and "revultion". Sorry to interrupt your grieving and having sympathy... Although I see no harm in tossing around a few ideas while "the police are figuring out what is the crime".

And @157: We can agree to disagree. I believe that Charles raised an interesting point (even if his motivation was nothing more than to antagonize). What I don't agree with are those who write that Charles should not be allowed to make his point simply because they find it offensive. I find those calls for censorship far more offensive than anything that Charles has ever written.

Posted by A Charles Fan | May 22, 2008 8:55 PM

@162 - this "point" that Charles should be "allowed to make" deserves as much air time as the "points" that are currently being asserted (it would be an overstatement to say "made") by various racist voters quoted as saying things like "hang that darky from a tree" about Barack Obama. Is that "a point" that someone should be allowed to assert in a civil society?

For him to mock the devastation of a family is repulsive.

Posted by momster | May 22, 2008 9:08 PM

these people need to listen to fox and the city more.

Posted by ace | May 22, 2008 9:09 PM

There is no investigation of murder! It was an accident.
Charles raised a question in some lame ass attempt to be humorous or deep. It should have been removed!
It was irresponsible and as long as we have freedom of speech on slog let me say it again...
It's not funny.

This happened to my sisters family. One child dies and the other is plagued for life with psychological torture.
You lose one and pray the other does not commit suicide.
Charles should shut the fuck up and get hit by a car!
I'm done with slog!!

Posted by mj | May 22, 2008 9:09 PM

@163: I don't mean to quibble, but most people would recognize a huge difference between the inflammatory comments of Charles and the blatant hate speech that you cite. Nonetheless, I understand the point you're trying to make. So do I think that people should be allowed to say things like "hang the darky", "god hates fags", etc? Absolutely! Most people who understand what it means to live in a democracy would agree. I may (and do) strongly object to those sentiments, but I'm glad that I live in a country in which I can try to understand why they feel that way -- in order to find a rationale that can be used to convince them that they're wrong.

I would agree with you that to mock someone else's senseless tragedy is repulsive. But that's not what I took away from Charles' post. I read it differently. I found a different meaning in it. It made me think about how we frame the information that we receive and fill in the rest of the blanks. How very subtle cues can cause us to jump to very different conclusions. Obviously, you and most of the slog readers interpreted it more literally. That's fine. And you're justified in expressing your repulsion.

But when there are calls for the post (or Charles) to be removed -- that crosses the line. I don't want you or anyone else telling me what I can or can't read or what I can or can't think based on your interpretation of what's right or wrong.

Posted by A Charles Fan | May 22, 2008 9:47 PM

i got some work done but im more outraged at the people that are discovering their outrage at chaz for the very first time.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 22, 2008 10:17 PM


"It should have been removed!"

and then

"as we have freedom of speech on slog" were saying?

Posted by gnossos | May 22, 2008 10:27 PM

ah man. i go off the map for a couple of days and look at the shit storms i miss.

Posted by el | May 23, 2008 1:24 AM


Aw fuck.

Posted by PdxRitchie | May 23, 2008 3:56 AM

SUVs backing over small children happens a lot. The driver is up high, and the rear window is 5 feet off the ground, so you can't see what's behind you.

And yeah, this post was in the worst possible taste. Muede should stick to posting soft core porn.

Posted by miss_m | May 23, 2008 5:43 AM

@166 - free speech, agreed (and note - i didn't suggest that you or charles be censored) but why flex your intellect or play parlor games with someone else's tragedy? why? intellect without humility and compassion is pretty much that - parlor games and flexing - self-serving, look-at-me, empty, and sad.

Posted by momster | May 23, 2008 9:18 AM

Miss_M, where in the article does it state that the child was backed over?

Posted by Huh? | May 23, 2008 9:23 AM

it "looks like" an accident. that doesn't say that it was an accident, only that it "looked like" one.

Posted by j-zeezer | May 23, 2008 10:44 AM

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